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Post by anthonyrocks on Oct 23, 2019 16:23:55 GMT
Who do you yourself think deserves Blame for "STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI" ?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 23, 2019 16:24:38 GMT
Disney and the writer
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Post by anthonyrocks on Oct 23, 2019 16:25:08 GMT
The Movie just had 1 writer (Rian Johnson).
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 23, 2019 16:36:12 GMT
No one deserves blame.
It’s a great movie
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Post by ck100 on Oct 23, 2019 16:40:58 GMT
It may not be flawless, but I like the film overall.  |
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Post by vegalyra on Oct 23, 2019 16:58:23 GMT
Disney
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RJ
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Post by politicidal on Oct 23, 2019 17:05:05 GMT
Jar Jar Binks. In all seriousness, nobody.
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 23, 2019 17:08:15 GMT
Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy, and maybe J.J. Abrams.
Back when Disney bought Lucasfilm and announced plans for a sequel trilogy, J.J. Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and the Lucasfilm Story Group should have sat down and mapped out a story well in advance. However, because Disney wanted the film out by December 2015, they had months to write a complete shooting script and it was finished right up until they began shooting.
I really didn't like the "mystery box" form of storytelling and the rehashing of ideas from A New Hope, but The Force Awakens did its job in honoring the original trilogy and setting up a new story. Ultimately, I really think Rian Johnson dropped the ball when it came to writing The Last Jedi and especially when it came to Luke's character. I liked most of everything else, though. So, I mostly blame Kathleen Kennedy (who was running Lucasfilm) for the lack of pre-planning the sequel trilogy and throwing out George Lucas's story treatments and Johnson. However, I don't think Abrams can escape blame since he helped to create the new story.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Oct 23, 2019 18:02:38 GMT
Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy, and maybe J.J. Abrams. Back when Disney bought Lucasfilm and announced plans for a sequel trilogy, J.J. Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and the Lucasfilm Story Group should have sat down and mapped out a story well in advance. However, because Disney wanted the film out by December 2015, they had months to write a complete shooting script and it was finished right up until they began shooting. I really didn't like the "mystery box" form of storytelling and the rehashing of ideas from A New Hope, but The Force Awakens did its job in honoring the original trilogy and setting up a new story. Ultimately, I really think Rian Johnson dropped the ball when it came to writing The Last Jedi and especially when it came to Luke's character. I liked most of everything else, though. So, I mostly blame Kathleen Kennedy (who was running Lucasfilm) for the lack of pre-planning the sequel trilogy and throwing out George Lucas's story treatments and Johnson. However, I don't think Abrams can escape blame since he helped to create the new story. "J.J. Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and the Lucasfilm Story Group should have sat down and mapped out a story well in advance." ---------------------------------------
I don't know if this is true or not (I never found out) and if it is then your not gonna like it at all.
That being said, what I heard (which was almost 2 years just a couple of months after "THE LAST JEDI" came out) was that JJ Abrams did indeed have a Complete Story Planned out for All 3 Movies with a Beginning, a Middle, and an End.
Both Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow were told the story and they both agreed to follow through with it with their "STAR WARS" Movies. The Plan was that Abrams would do the Beginning of it with "EPISODE 7", Johnson would do the Middle with "EPISODE 8", and Trevorrow would do the End with "EPISODE 9".
So the Plan began and Abrams did "THE FORCE AWAKENS" and it then fell into Rian Johnson's hands.
When it did, Johnson then decided to change the plan (and for some unknown reason, Kathleen Kennedy agreed with that decision) and do his own thing and so he made "THE LAST JEDI" and then when Trevorrow saw what they had done (before the movie came out), he talked to both Johnson and Kennedy and asked them not to kill off Luke Skywalker which they both refused, Trevorrow continued to protest it and so he was removed from "EPISODE 9".
Now again, I don't know if that is indeed all true or not (it may not be true, again I never found out) but I will say that if it is then I think that that was very selfish and backstabbing from Johnson and Kennedy.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 23, 2019 18:03:22 GMT
ur mom
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 23, 2019 18:20:45 GMT
Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy, and maybe J.J. Abrams. Back when Disney bought Lucasfilm and announced plans for a sequel trilogy, J.J. Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and the Lucasfilm Story Group should have sat down and mapped out a story well in advance. However, because Disney wanted the film out by December 2015, they had months to write a complete shooting script and it was finished right up until they began shooting. I really didn't like the "mystery box" form of storytelling and the rehashing of ideas from A New Hope, but The Force Awakens did its job in honoring the original trilogy and setting up a new story. Ultimately, I really think Rian Johnson dropped the ball when it came to writing The Last Jedi and especially when it came to Luke's character. I liked most of everything else, though. So, I mostly blame Kathleen Kennedy (who was running Lucasfilm) for the lack of pre-planning the sequel trilogy and throwing out George Lucas's story treatments and Johnson. However, I don't think Abrams can escape blame since he helped to create the new story. "J.J. Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and the Lucasfilm Story Group should have sat down and mapped out a story well in advance." ---------------------------------------
I don't know if this is true or not (I never found out) and if it is then your not gonna like it at all.
That being said, what I heard (which was almost 2 years just a couple of months after "THE LAST JEDI" came out) was that JJ Abrams did indeed have a Complete Story Planned out for All 3 Movies with a Beginning, a Middle, and an End.
Both Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow were told the story and they both agreed to follow through with it with their "STAR WARS" Movies. The Plan was that Abrams would do the Beginning of it with "EPISODE 7", Johnson would do the Middle with "EPISODE 8", and Trevorrow would do the End with "EPISODE 9".
So the Plan began and Abrams did "THE FORCE AWAKENS" and it then fell into Rian Johnson's hands.
When it did, Johnson then decided to change the plan (and for some unknown reason, Kathleen Kennedy agreed with that decision) and do his own thing and so he made "THE LAST JEDI" and then when Trevorrow saw what they had done (before the movie came out), he talked to both Johnson and Kennedy and asked them not to kill off Luke Skywalker which they both refused, Trevorrow continued to protest it and so he was removed from "EPISODE 9".
Now again, I don't know if that is indeed all true or not (it may not be true, again I never found out) but I will say that if it is then I think that that was very selfish and backstabbing from Johnson and Kennedy.
After I made the post, I actually did find J.J. Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan's original treatment for Episode VIII. There's no way Abrams and Kasdan didn't have something planned out after Rey finds Luke on Ahch-to. However, Rian Johnson said a few years ago in a now-deleted tweet that nothing was planned out beyond The Force Awakens. So, either Johnson was lying or he didn't know about Abrams and Kasdan's treatment. So, I'm led to believe Johnson probably knew about the treatment, but decided to do his own thing and he actually did correspond with Abrams by having R2-D2 go with Rey to Ahch-to instead of BB-8. Still, I blame Johnson mostly for The Last Jedi and I hate that he refused to let Luke live so Colin Trevorrow could use him in Episode IX. I believe Kathleen Kennedy sided with Johnson and when Trevorrow was unhappy, he left.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Oct 23, 2019 18:23:16 GMT
"J.J. Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and the Lucasfilm Story Group should have sat down and mapped out a story well in advance." ---------------------------------------
I don't know if this is true or not (I never found out) and if it is then your not gonna like it at all.
That being said, what I heard (which was almost 2 years just a couple of months after "THE LAST JEDI" came out) was that JJ Abrams did indeed have a Complete Story Planned out for All 3 Movies with a Beginning, a Middle, and an End.
Both Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow were told the story and they both agreed to follow through with it with their "STAR WARS" Movies. The Plan was that Abrams would do the Beginning of it with "EPISODE 7", Johnson would do the Middle with "EPISODE 8", and Trevorrow would do the End with "EPISODE 9".
So the Plan began and Abrams did "THE FORCE AWAKENS" and it then fell into Rian Johnson's hands.
When it did, Johnson then decided to change the plan (and for some unknown reason, Kathleen Kennedy agreed with that decision) and do his own thing and so he made "THE LAST JEDI" and then when Trevorrow saw what they had done (before the movie came out), he talked to both Johnson and Kennedy and asked them not to kill off Luke Skywalker which they both refused, Trevorrow continued to protest it and so he was removed from "EPISODE 9".
Now again, I don't know if that is indeed all true or not (it may not be true, again I never found out) but I will say that if it is then I think that that was very selfish and backstabbing from Johnson and Kennedy.
After I made the post, I actually did find J.J. Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan's original treatment for Episode VIII. There's no way Abrams and Kasdan didn't have something planned out after Rey finds Luke on Ahch-to. However, Rian Johnson said a few years ago in a now-deleted tweet that nothing was planned out beyond The Force Awakens. So, either Johnson was lying or he didn't know about Abrams and Kasdan's treatment. So, I'm led to believe Johnson probably knew about the treatment, but decided to do his own thing and he actually did correspond with Abrams by having R2-D2 go with Rey to Ahch-to instead of BB-8. Still, I blame Johnson mostly for The Last Jedi and I hate that he refused to let Luke live so Colin Trevorrow could use him in Episode IX. I believe Kathleen Kennedy sided with Johnson and when Trevorrow was unhappy, he left. WOW, Then I actually feel bad for JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan.
Not just that but because of Johnson and Kennedy's actions, they have practically put Abrams in an almost impossible situation with "THE RISE OF SKYWALKER".
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 23, 2019 18:30:39 GMT
Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy, and maybe J.J. Abrams. Back when Disney bought Lucasfilm and announced plans for a sequel trilogy, J.J. Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and the Lucasfilm Story Group should have sat down and mapped out a story well in advance. However, because Disney wanted the film out by December 2015, they had months to write a complete shooting script and it was finished right up until they began shooting. I really didn't like the "mystery box" form of storytelling and the rehashing of ideas from A New Hope, but The Force Awakens did its job in honoring the original trilogy and setting up a new story. Ultimately, I really think Rian Johnson dropped the ball when it came to writing The Last Jedi and especially when it came to Luke's character. I liked most of everything else, though. So, I mostly blame Kathleen Kennedy (who was running Lucasfilm) for the lack of pre-planning the sequel trilogy and throwing out George Lucas's story treatments and Johnson. However, I don't think Abrams can escape blame since he helped to create the new story. "J.J. Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and the Lucasfilm Story Group should have sat down and mapped out a story well in advance." ---------------------------------------
I don't know if this is true or not (I never found out) and if it is then your not gonna like it at all.
That being said, what I heard (which was almost 2 years just a couple of months after "THE LAST JEDI" came out) was that JJ Abrams did indeed have a Complete Story Planned out for All 3 Movies with a Beginning, a Middle, and an End.
Both Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow were told the story and they both agreed to follow through with it with their "STAR WARS" Movies. The Plan was that Abrams would do the Beginning of it with "EPISODE 7", Johnson would do the Middle with "EPISODE 8", and Trevorrow would do the End with "EPISODE 9".
So the Plan began and Abrams did "THE FORCE AWAKENS" and it then fell into Rian Johnson's hands.
When it did, Johnson then decided to change the plan (and for some unknown reason, Kathleen Kennedy agreed with that decision) and do his own thing and so he made "THE LAST JEDI" and then when Trevorrow saw what they had done (before the movie came out), he talked to both Johnson and Kennedy and asked them not to kill off Luke Skywalker which they both refused, Trevorrow continued to protest it and so he was removed from "EPISODE 9".
Now again, I don't know if that is indeed all true or not (it may not be true, again I never found out) but I will say that if it is then I think that that was very selfish and backstabbing from Johnson and Kennedy.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Oct 23, 2019 20:43:23 GMT
Respectfully, I have to disagree with the people that voted for JJ Abrams.
He had absolutely nothing to do with "THE LAST JEDI".
That said, I am actually beginning to wonder why I even put him in My Poll.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 23, 2019 20:55:24 GMT
Didn't you like TLJ? Now I'm seeing posts like this and others saying it disappointing you and whatnot. Not that I'm complaining, the haters can have you.
I picked three choices:
1. Nobody, I Liked It. Which I did.
2. The Haters. After everyone basically agreed TFA was a play-it-safe soft reboot of ANH, this movie bent over backwards to appease the people who hated that by flipping every OT story beat on its head. In turn, they pissed off TFA fans, and Haters hated anyway. Again, I didn't mind the "subverted expectations" myself.
3. JJ Abrams. The #1 complaint with this movie is conscientious objector Luke Skywalker. After TFA, what options did Johnson have in explaining why Luke was living in isolation in Ireland instead of fighting the First Order? In the OT, Yoda was too old to fight and Obi-Wan was guarding Luke all while both were actively hunted by the government. With Luke, he's able bodied and the First Order isnt that powerful (up until they blow up the New Republic capitals, anyway), so what's he doing there? Bitter retiree Luke probably wouldn't have been my first choice in bringing back the character, but that's on Abrams and TFA putting Johnson in a position with only one answer that makes sense: the guy fucked up with his nephew and threw in the towel.
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Post by sostie on Oct 23, 2019 20:57:52 GMT
Who do I blame for giving me an entertaining couple of hours?
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Post by anthonyrocks on Oct 23, 2019 21:01:02 GMT
Didn't you like TLJ? Now I'm seeing posts like this and others saying it disappointing you and whatnot. Not that I'm complaining, the haters can have you. I picked three choices: 1. Nobody, I Liked It. Which I did. 2. The Haters. After everyone basically agreed TFA was a play-it-safe soft reboot of ANH, this movie bent over backwards to appease the people who hated that by flipping every OT story beat on its head. In turn, they pissed off TFA fans, and Haters hated anyway. Again, I didn't mind the "subverted expectations" myself. 3. JJ Abrams. The #1 complaint with this movie is conscientious objector Luke Skywalker. After TFA, what options did Johnson have in explaining why Luke was living in isolation in Ireland instead of fighting the First Order? In the OT, Yoda was too old to fight and Obi-Wan was guarding Luke all while both were actively hunted by the government. With Luke, he's able bodied and the First Order isnt that powerful (up until they blow up the New Republic capitals, anyway), so what's he doing there? Bitter retiree Luke probably wouldn't have been my first choice in bringing back the character, but that's on Abrams and TFA putting Johnson in a position with only one answer that makes sense: the guy fucked up with his nephew and threw in the towel. "Didn't you like TLJ? Now I'm seeing posts like this and others saying it disappointing you and whatnot. Not that I'm complaining, the haters can have you." -----------------------------
I thought that it had it's moments (like The Throne Room Fight Scene, The Suicide Sacrifice Jump To Light Speed, The short fight between Finn and Captain Phasma, and The short duel between Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren) but overall was disappointing.
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Post by darkpast on Oct 23, 2019 21:03:24 GMT
Bob "the buck stops here" Iger
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Post by jamesbamesy on Oct 23, 2019 21:34:43 GMT
Certainly not George Lucas. Aside from being a major player of the franchise, what did he have on this particular movie?
Anyway, I voted nobody, as I like the movie.
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Post by alpha128 on Oct 24, 2019 0:38:10 GMT
Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy.
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