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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 25, 2019 21:46:53 GMT
"15 yard penalty. Unsportsmanlike conduct after the touchdown or field goal. The penalty will be enforced during the kickoff."
Enforced during the kickoff?
LOL
Like that will have any impact since the kicker was probably going to kick it out of the endzone anyway.
They should enforce it on the first play of the next drive and put the ball on the 10 yard line.
Agree, disagree, discuss?
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Post by tristramshandy on Oct 25, 2019 22:22:28 GMT
For the most part, I'm against penalties being 15 yards. I hate how the NFL went away from 5-yard facemasks. Illegal hands to the face should not be an automatic first down. For the most part, any 15-yard penalty should be 10-yards, and any less-than-15-yard penalties should not be automatic first downs.
Generally agree with your argument, but fifteen yards is too punitive for something that most likely was pushing a guy after he crossed the goal line.
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Post by njcardfan on Nov 5, 2019 19:46:27 GMT
One change I've always advocated for is any offensive penalty 10 yards or more should be a loss of down. Penalties in excess of 10 yards on defense is an automatic first down so same penalty should be loss of down on offense. And I agree, no 5 yard penalty on defense should be an automatic first down, however, defensive holding on a receiver is pretty much pass interference. In truth, the pro game is so convoluted anymore. I love the holding calls when it took place on the completely opposite side of the field.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 5, 2019 20:15:38 GMT
One change I've always advocated for is any offensive penalty 10 yards or more should be a loss of down. Penalties in excess of 10 yards on defense is an automatic first down so same penalty should be loss of down on offense. And I agree, no 5 yard penalty on defense should be an automatic first down, however, defensive holding on a receiver is pretty much pass interference. In truth, the pro game is so convoluted anymore. I love the holding calls when it took place on the completely opposite side of the field. Yeah defensive holding is a tough call. A 5 yard penalty being an automatic first down (particularly if it was 3rd and 17) seems ridiculous, but as you said it's basically PI and everything in the NFL is about timing. That handful of jersey for even half a second really can make the difference in whether a play is successful or not.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 5, 2019 20:22:59 GMT
Enforcing a penalty on the kick off is actually pretty beneficial to the kicking team. It gives you the chance to kick it short and force a return on a short field.
A few things that actually do need to change:
-Last night there was a defensive holding call where the cowboys picked up a first down and they awarded them a 5 yard penalty added to the ens of the play. That makes no sense. You should have to either accept or decline the penalty based on the result of the play.. just like almost every other scenario.
-'5 yard penalty, automatic 1st down' This is complete nonsense, and especially now that they're making all of these ridiculous calls on defensive holding, hands to the face, illegal contact etc. Those calls are usually awful, but if they're going to exist anyway they should at least just have a 5 yard penalty... and...
-'Automatic 1st down.' I don't think this should exist at all. Maybe for the most egregious of personal fouls, or maybe for a foul occurring in the end zone, but there's no way a 5 yard penalty should ever result in an automatic first down, and pass interference being placed at the spot of the foul whether it's passed the marker or not is good enough. They're making it waaaaay to easy for offenses.
-'Half the distance to the goal' Makes absolutely no sense. So a 15 yard penalty on the 16 yard line goes to the 1 yard line, but if it's at the 14 yard line it goes to the 7. That's completely asinine. Whatever the penalty yardage is should be enforced. If it's more than the distance to the goal, then the ball can be placed ar or inside the one. This one is a no brainer, but it doesn't come up that much so nobody cares, but it bothers me.
-5 or 15 yard fouls. They got rid of the distinction for face masks which seemed like a bad idea, but doesn't seem to have made much of a difference. However, now that the league has decided that hitting a quarterback in a perfectly legal way is now somehow against the rules, they should at least have the basic decency to not call those hits personal fouls and give them the whole 15 yard, automatic 1st down idiocy. There are times when it's actually flagrant and intentional, but there are some where they can argue that it's a foul these days, but the penalty awarded to the offense clearly doesn't reflect that foul.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 5, 2019 20:24:15 GMT
One change I've always advocated for is any offensive penalty 10 yards or more should be a loss of down. Penalties in excess of 10 yards on defense is an automatic first down so same penalty should be loss of down on offense. And I agree, no 5 yard penalty on defense should be an automatic first down, however, defensive holding on a receiver is pretty much pass interference. In truth, the pro game is so convoluted anymore. I love the holding calls when it took place on the completely opposite side of the field. Yeah defensive holding is a tough call. A 5 yard penalty being an automatic first down (particularly if it was 3rd and 17) seems ridiculous, but as you said it's basically PI and everything in the NFL is about timing. That handful of jersey for even half a second really can make the difference in whether a play is successful or not. I think 5 yards and getting to replay the down is fair enough. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 5, 2019 20:44:01 GMT
Yeah defensive holding is a tough call. A 5 yard penalty being an automatic first down (particularly if it was 3rd and 17) seems ridiculous, but as you said it's basically PI and everything in the NFL is about timing. That handful of jersey for even half a second really can make the difference in whether a play is successful or not. I think 5 yards and getting to replay the down is fair enough. Yeah that makes sense. It seems like one of those NFL rules designed to give offenses the advantage. I still can't decide whether I like college or NFL PI better. Spot of the foul makes more sense even if it is a huge advantage to the offense. If it's clearly going to be a 50 yard completion in college, you may as well pull the guy down and take a 15 yard penalty instead. In the NFL you actually have to play defense or you'll get burned for a big play. The consistency of that call is more aggravating than anything else, as with all officiating.
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Post by Marv on Nov 5, 2019 21:23:02 GMT
Instant Replay... Just get rid of it.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Nov 5, 2019 21:49:26 GMT
Instant Replay... Just get rid of it. In football where so many things might get missed because of how fast it is and even if a call, reversed or confirmed, may benefit your team? In baseball, yes.
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Post by Marv on Nov 6, 2019 0:45:58 GMT
Instant Replay... Just get rid of it. In football where so many things might get missed because of how fast it is and even if a call, reversed or confirmed, may benefit your team? In baseball, yes. Yes. Put the onus back on the refs and let them call their games. Theres too many things already slowing the game down and making the action on the field irrelevant.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Nov 6, 2019 2:45:33 GMT
In football where so many things might get missed because of how fast it is and even if a call, reversed or confirmed, may benefit your team? In baseball, yes. Yes. Put the onus back on the refs and let them call their games. Theres too many things already slowing the game down and making the action on the field irrelevant. I'm in favor of less commercials even though I watch using a DVR. And sometimes I will FF through the challenges. Amazing how they can take a 1 hr game with only about 12-15 minutes of action and turn it into 3 hrs.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 6, 2019 16:01:03 GMT
I think 5 yards and getting to replay the down is fair enough. Yeah that makes sense. It seems like one of those NFL rules designed to give offenses the advantage. I still can't decide whether I like college or NFL PI better. Spot of the foul makes more sense even if it is a huge advantage to the offense. If it's clearly going to be a 50 yard completion in college, you may as well pull the guy down and take a 15 yard penalty instead. In the NFL you actually have to play defense or you'll get burned for a big play. The consistency of that call is more aggravating than anything else, as with all officiating. Yes, the inconsistency with the refs is the most annoying thing. Following the logic of why one call is made while another isn't, especially when they get the chance to look at it in replay and still get things wrong all of the time is especially annoying. But as for PI, I think the spot foul is the better one. I'd just remove the automatic 1st down element, as I would overall.. ...like I outlined in an obnoxious old-man-rant post above, about some of the rules I would change.
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