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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 26, 2019 4:32:51 GMT
I might be misrembering, but I think Endgame broke some records, too. Wasn't a good movie tho. Well your idea of a good movie extends to something like 1997's mega-stinker Spawn so you're not really in the right to claim what is and what isn't good for a comic book movie.
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 26, 2019 8:13:39 GMT
With Joker's success there is no excuse. People aren't against r ratings and Joker is proof r rated comic movies can work Ahem... Logan Deadpool 1 and 2 Watchmen Kick-Ass 1 and 2 Ringing any bells? Watchmen actually flopped at the box office. Just saying...
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Post by James on Oct 26, 2019 10:19:44 GMT
Ahem... Logan Deadpool 1 and 2 Watchmen Kick-Ass 1 and 2 Ringing any bells? Watchmen actually flopped at the box office. Just saying... Nevermind then.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 26, 2019 13:08:02 GMT
I definitely think it’s Deadpool that proved an R rated comic movie can work. That’s why Logan is so awesome and probably why Joker is even a thing.
But yeah it’d be cool if MCU made something like Joker. They treaded those waters with their Netflix shows so why not in the movies?
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Post by politicidal on Oct 26, 2019 15:28:06 GMT
They’re under no obligation to make an R rated movie.
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Post by sostie on Oct 26, 2019 15:36:19 GMT
If Blade isn't R it'll be a crap shoot. I think the tone is more important than including any elements that would make it an R-rating - gore, swearing, smoking, explicit torture or taking drugs. Bourne & later Bond films managed without R-Ratings. Personally I'd be more pissed off if he wasn't British (which he probably won't be again) than any rating I take no notice of and would probaby not be the same in the country I am in.
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Post by thenewnexus on Oct 26, 2019 15:54:48 GMT
If Blade isn't R it'll be a crap shoot. I think the tone is more important than including any elements that would make it an R-rating - gore, swearing, smoking, explicit torture or taking drugs. Bourne & later Bond films managed without R-Ratings. Personally I'd be more pissed off if he wasn't British (which he probably won't be again) than any rating I take no notice of and would probaby not be the same in the country I am in. You read Blade books? They got gore and that stuff why change it? Especially with Joker's success there is literally no excuse for Blade not to be r rated
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Post by sostie on Oct 26, 2019 16:00:04 GMT
I think the tone is more important than including any elements that would make it an R-rating - gore, swearing, smoking, explicit torture or taking drugs. Bourne & later Bond films managed without R-Ratings. Personally I'd be more pissed off if he wasn't British (which he probably won't be again) than any rating I take no notice of and would probaby not be the same in the country I am in. You read Blade books? They got gore and that stuff why change it? Especially with Joker's success there is literally no excuse for Blade not r rated His stories were not especially gory in Tomb Of Dracula and in some of the team titles. The gore only really took of post movie There are plenty of reasons why it doesn't have to be r-rated (I don't mind either way)...more than why it should.
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Post by thenewnexus on Oct 26, 2019 16:49:52 GMT
You read Blade books? They got gore and that stuff why change it? Especially with Joker's success there is literally no excuse for Blade not r rated His stories were not especially gory in Tomb Of Dracula and in some of the team titles. The gore only really took of post movie There are plenty of reasons why it doesn't have to be r-rated (I don't mind either way)...more than why it should. What reasons shouldn't it be r rated? To sell toys or make it family friendly? Idk if it's fair to say Blade shouldn't be r rated based on old books you can use that Argument for Daredevil since his early comics were more campy,but most people prefer the Miller and Later runs. If you aren't gonna count Joker how about the last two blade adaptions were r and ma rated
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Post by sostie on Oct 26, 2019 17:15:55 GMT
His stories were not especially gory in Tomb Of Dracula and in some of the team titles. The gore only really took of post movie There are plenty of reasons why it doesn't have to be r-rated (I don't mind either way)...more than why it should. What reasons shouldn't it be r rated? To sell toys or make it family friendly? As I said....I don't care if it's R-Rated or not, but I'm not going to insist it should be, and assume before they have even announced a director let alone start filming, that it needs to be. Why it makes sense not to be R-Rated - to appeal to a wider audience, to allow a wider audience, franchise continuity and yes "selling toys". The whole Joker did so Blade could as well argument makes no sense. Blade will be part of a series, a franchise. Joker is removed from any other DC franchise or series, and it's likely that it will remain that way - it's a story about a man who dresses as a clown and then loses it...as far as I know The Joker was never a clown of any sort before he turned to crime, there was never a character called Fleck...it's a "Joker" film in name only with Wayne and Gotham thrown in. It's isolated from the DC universe. Blade will not be isolated from the MCU unless there are plans not yet released. But it's just a valid argument as one that says it should be r-rated because the later books are more violent....books influenced by the earlier film which ignored much of the characters comic history - Blade didn't actually have any powers, other than bite immunity, until after the film was released .
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 26, 2019 18:48:53 GMT
Punisher movie with a story based on the Slavers story from the MAX comics!
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Post by thenewnexus on Oct 26, 2019 19:09:32 GMT
What reasons shouldn't it be r rated? To sell toys or make it family friendly? As I said....I don't care if it's R-Rated or not, but I'm not going to insist it should be, and assume before they have even announced a director let alone start filming, that it needs to be. Why it makes sense not to be R-Rated - to appeal to a wider audience, to allow a wider audience, franchise continuity and yes "selling toys". The whole Joker did so Blade could as well argument makes no sense. Blade will be part of a series, a franchise. Joker is removed from any other DC franchise or series, and it's likely that it will remain that way - it's a story about a man who dresses as a clown and then loses it...as far as I know The Joker was never a clown of any sort before he turned to crime, there was never a character called Fleck...it's a "Joker" film in name only with Wayne and Gotham thrown in. It's isolated from the DC universe. Blade will not be isolated from the MCU unless there are plans not yet released. But it's just a valid argument as one that says it should be r-rated because the later books are more violent....books influenced by the earlier film which ignored much of the characters comic history - Blade didn't actually have any powers, other than bite immunity, until after the film was released . I d respect your Argument more if you had legit Concerns. I brought Joker up because it puts all these concerns to rest. Joker got a wider audience with an r rating which you guys think is impossible. Toys shouldn't be a concern,Todd Phillips himself said he had to fight for a r rating with those concerns which paid off in the end. An r rated movie could make a billion in the future if that's a concernm Blade should be in a new canon if they aren't gonna give him or any of the mature characters r ratings in the current
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Post by thenewnexus on Oct 26, 2019 19:11:42 GMT
With Joker's success there is no excuse. People aren't against r ratings and Joker is proof r rated comic movies can work And who said they don’t? I have no problem with Marvel or any other producer making an R-rated comic book movie. There’s plenty of violence and soft core porn in the comic books themselves. The people saying Blade and other characters can work without r ratings.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 26, 2019 19:50:01 GMT
And who said they don’t? I have no problem with Marvel or any other producer making an R-rated comic book movie. There’s plenty of violence and soft core porn in the comic books themselves. The people saying Blade and other characters can work without r ratings. It's possible for it to work without an R rating. It might have to rely more on story and characters though. Nixing some of the blood/gore and cursing. (And the MPAA has always been more hung up on Sex/Nudity, then cursing, and finally violence and gore. Which always spoke volumes about their Puritanical Mindset to me. Sex and Boobies are BAD!!!!) Adding those to a story has always been used as a cheap way by lesser stories to evoke emotion and add to the "cool" factor. A way to turbo charge the story and characters past any blemishes. If nudity/cursing/violence is used in service of the story then all is good. If it's used to prop the the story up it is a cynical party trick used by movie makers. So yeah it could work without an R rating, but it puts more pressure on the Writers, Directors, and Actors to make it work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 20:02:08 GMT
I would love an R rated MCU film.
That's my first reaction. Logistically it's less likely to happen, but I love anything rated R. There's something to be said for risk too. An r rated MCU film is probably out of the question by now, but never say never. The X-Men films tacked on an R rated film to an otherwise all ages franchise. It even did well enough I consider it successful both for the risk it took and the pay-off. All risks are created equal; the result is a different story.
The Netflix shows are rated TV MA, which I looked up and its closest equivalents are R or NC-17. So sure. Bring it.
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Post by thenewnexus on Oct 26, 2019 20:08:00 GMT
The people saying Blade and other characters can work without r ratings. It's possible for it to work without an R rating. It might have to rely more on story and characters though. Nixing some of the blood/gore and cursing. (And the MPAA has always been more hung up on Sex/Nudity, then cursing, and finally violence and gore. Which always spoke volumes about their Puritanical Mindset to me. Sex and Boobies are BAD!!!!) Adding those to a story has always been used as a cheap way by lesser stories to evoke emotion and add to the "cool" factor. A way to turbo charge the story and characters past any blemishes. If nudity/cursing/violence is used in service of the story then all is good. If it's used to prop the the story up it is a cynical party trick used by movie makers. So yeah it could work without an R rating, but it puts more pressure on the Writers, Directors, and Actors to make it work. You are not nixing some you are nixing it all if you are having to do that clearly it won't work
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 26, 2019 20:30:05 GMT
It's possible for it to work without an R rating. It might have to rely more on story and characters though. Nixing some of the blood/gore and cursing. (And the MPAA has always been more hung up on Sex/Nudity, then cursing, and finally violence and gore. Which always spoke volumes about their Puritanical Mindset to me. Sex and Boobies are BAD!!!!) Adding those to a story has always been used as a cheap way by lesser stories to evoke emotion and add to the "cool" factor. A way to turbo charge the story and characters past any blemishes. If nudity/cursing/violence is used in service of the story then all is good. If it's used to prop the the story up it is a cynical party trick used by movie makers. So yeah it could work without an R rating, but it puts more pressure on the Writers, Directors, and Actors to make it work. You are not nixing some you are nixing it all if you are having to do that clearly it won't work If they don't put nudity which the story of Blade or Punisher doesn't need, and only focus on violence and language they wouldn't have to cut a lot. And language isn't that hard just nix the F-Bombs. The real factor we are dealing with here is the violence and gore. And you wouldn't have to cut all of it. Look at Drag Me to Hell by Sam Raimi. Pretty fucking violent and decently gory and it's PG-13. Sam is good at mixing a little bit of camp and humor with his Violence and Gore. Here he balances it so well that I think the MPAA allowed them a little more violence and gore than most PG-13 movies.
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Post by thenewnexus on Oct 26, 2019 21:00:11 GMT
You are not nixing some you are nixing it all if you are having to do that clearly it won't work If they don't put nudity which the story of Blade or Punisher doesn't need, and only focus on violence and language they wouldn't have to cut a lot. And language isn't that hard just nix the F-Bombs. The real factor we are dealing with here is the violence and gore. And you wouldn't have to cut all of it. Look at Drag Me to Hell by Sam Raimi. Pretty fucking violent and decently gory and it's PG-13. Sam is good at mixing a little bit of camp and humor with his Violence and Gore. Here he balances it so well that I think the MPAA allowed them a little more violence and gore than most PG-13 movies. I m not looking for pretty violent i m looking for all out violent. Its not just nudity everybody says thats what gets an r rated Joker didn't show boobs. Some of those deaths are violent you think mcu movies will show somebody getting brutally stabbed or being shot in the head in a brutal way? Take away nudity and you still got that to deal with even on their Netflix shows Kingpin killing his father aa a kid and killing that Russian with a car and Billy Russo getting his face destroyed are much more violent than anything mcu movies.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 26, 2019 21:23:25 GMT
If they don't put nudity which the story of Blade or Punisher doesn't need, and only focus on violence and language they wouldn't have to cut a lot. And language isn't that hard just nix the F-Bombs. The real factor we are dealing with here is the violence and gore. And you wouldn't have to cut all of it. Look at Drag Me to Hell by Sam Raimi. Pretty fucking violent and decently gory and it's PG-13. Sam is good at mixing a little bit of camp and humor with his Violence and Gore. Here he balances it so well that I think the MPAA allowed them a little more violence and gore than most PG-13 movies. I m not looking for pretty violent i m looking for all out violent. Its not just nudity everybody says thats what gets an r rated Joker didn't show boobs. Some of those deaths are violent you think mcu movies will show somebody getting brutally stabbed or being shot in the head in a brutal way? Take away nudity and you still got that to deal with even on their Netflix shows Kingpin killing his father aa a kid and killing that Russian with a car and Billy Russo getting his face destroyed are much more violent than anything mcu movies. The death of the russian by door could be in a PG13 movie the stabbing too. Mainly with the russian's decapitation it focuses on Kingpins face the violence is mostly off screen and implied. The only thing that wouldn't be allowed in a PG13 movie is Jigsaw's face cutting as shown. I'm for ultra violence as the next person, but I don't think Blade needs it, maybe Punisher needs a bit more. Still, I would rather have a strong story and characters supported by lessor violence in the overall universe if it needs to be to work. When I think of the Netflix shows, it's not the violence, swearing, or sex that I like about them. It's the characterization. The Stories are good to if not a little slow. (they could be cut down to 8 episodes each). Honestly with the netflix shows if you took out Karen's brief boob when she's changing shirts and a little bit of the sex in Jessica Jones they could pass as TV-14 not TV-MA for the most part. In the end I would be happy with rated R Punisher or Blade, but I do think a PG13 one COULD work if need be.
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Post by thenewnexus on Oct 26, 2019 23:17:47 GMT
I m not looking for pretty violent i m looking for all out violent. Its not just nudity everybody says thats what gets an r rated Joker didn't show boobs. Some of those deaths are violent you think mcu movies will show somebody getting brutally stabbed or being shot in the head in a brutal way? Take away nudity and you still got that to deal with even on their Netflix shows Kingpin killing his father aa a kid and killing that Russian with a car and Billy Russo getting his face destroyed are much more violent than anything mcu movies. The death of the russian by door could be in a PG13 movie the stabbing too. Mainly with the russian's decapitation it focuses on Kingpins face the violence is mostly off screen and implied. The only thing that wouldn't be allowed in a PG13 movie is Jigsaw's face cutting as shown. I'm for ultra violence as the next person, but I don't think Blade needs it, maybe Punisher needs a bit more. Still, I would rather have a strong story and characters supported by lessor violence in the overall universe if it needs to be to work. When I think of the Netflix shows, it's not the violence, swearing, or sex that I like about them. It's the characterization. The Stories are good to if not a little slow. (they could be cut down to 8 episodes each). Honestly with the netflix shows if you took out Karen's brief boob when she's changing shirts and a little bit of the sex in Jessica Jones they could pass as TV-14 not TV-MA for the most part. In the end I would be happy with rated R Punisher or Blade, but I do think a PG13 one COULD work if need be. I doubt even those Scenes would make it in a PG13 Movie,I'm sure that Russian's Death would be quick and only impled,Even Robert Redford in Winter Soldier Kills that woman quickly and doesn't look violent at all and that Stabbing from Joker No way,Hawkeye using a Sword in Endgame didn't really do anything super violent. Joker proves you can have a strong strong story with an R Rating and it can be successful. I doubt you could make the netflix shows tv14,Cottonmouth on Luke Cage beats a Teen to death very visously and on the 2nd season Mariah commits Genocide sets a man on fire and shoots him. If shift gears from the MCU like the Boys,which still got an MA Rating despite altering some stuff from the books
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