Post by stargazer1682 on Oct 27, 2019 2:45:58 GMT
I was really hoping they were going to somehow reveal that was some other Earth than Earth-2, even though it had the Earth-2 Laurel on it. Obviously they would have needed to do some tap dancing to explain why Other-Laurel wasn't on Earth-2, in order to destroy the Earth they were on without it being Earth-2, but it's still kind of bullshit that they destroyed Earth-2 of all places without making it a bigger deal. It's Earth-Fucking-2; for starters that is supposed to be one of the major players in Crisis on Infinite Earths, even if the had kind of fucked up the history for that Earth. Just as importantly, it played a major role in the very development of the multiverse on The Flash; it was the first alternate Earth they introduced.
I'm a fan of the Youtube reactor, After Show Reacts, and she's just started season 2 of The Flash; and has just gotten to the point of meeting Harry, before he's called Harry; and seeing Jesse for the first time. Like I brought up with the previous episode, are they just gone now? Those may not have been Arrow characters, but they're also not so inconsequential as to kill off screen like that. They arguably mean a lot more than the doubles of Moira or Tommy. The only reason their deaths mean anything is because we know their Earth-1 doubles and it's like losing them all over again, but with Jesse and Harry, we know them. Never mind some of the other doubles we met along the way, like the other Barry and Iris.
Even the way they handled the look and history of Earth-2 kind of undermines what they were trying to do. They took everything established about it on The Flash and completely ignored it in favor of Oliver's personal story - forget that Robert Queen had been revealed as the Hood/Arrow on Earth-2, forget the advanced science of that things were true about Earth-2, like Atlantis being real and above water. They had to depict this Earth so much closer to Earth-1 than Earth-2 was ever made out to be, just to service Oliver's plot.
All of which leaves me thinking that this really shouldn't be Oliver's plot. Oliver doesn't do dimension hopping or interact, normally, with higher beings. This should arguably be Barry's shtick. That would have made a lot more sense to see Barry bouncing around to different Earth in the lead up to the Crisis, trying to find some way of averting what was going to happen, in the hopes of avoid his ultimate death. Instead it's Oliver, because they feel like the end of the series needs to be written into the story itself; to the point of writing in Oliver's death as the final end point and one of two things is going to come out of that: He's either not going to die somehow, which I've been thinking since last year is increasingly more likely, just the way they keep trying to club us over the head that he's going to die. Or he will die and it's going to be boring and anticlimactic, because they called it so far ahead and made his final arc all about how he's going to die and dragged it out. What's worse is that they've basically done the same thing with Barry's story and the fucking newspaper headline.
Okay, first dark matter has become commonplace on The Flash; now some nerd in Hong Kong can recognize a breach device for what it is, instead of assuming it's something like, a novelty hood ornament or virtually anything else? How the fuck could he know it is or is supposed to do? Cisco built this thing, at least partly inspired by his own meta-powers; and there hasn't been any indication that anyone else on Earth-1 had the ability to jump dimensions.
Older JJ does bear an uncanny resemblance to the actors who play his parents. But how the hell does the son of Diggle and Lila end up this way? Is he going to turn out to be deep cover? Makes about as much sense as anything with these flash forwards; and would explain why he didn't kill Mia when he had the chance in the last episode.
Once again, why the hell does Laurel have a fucking gun? She doesn't need one. I don't recall her using one before (but I could be wrong).
You gotta love when characters need to infiltrate a place and they say "it's practically impenetrable" and then immediately come up with a plan they flawlessly execute to penetrate it.
Hehe....penetrate...
That's a big-ass elevator for four dudes; who are standing in the most awkward "waiting to be attacked" pose possible. And all of them inexplicably, yet conveniently stand well in front of the access point Oliver uses to get in and attack them; allowing him to go unnoticed until it's too late.
Sorry Ollie, Captain America did it better; he did his elevator fight in a much closer quarters and didn't even need to sneak up on the people he was fighting.
So is this whole present-day plot a rehash of a crappy flashback plot that was too boring to have paid attention to the first time around?
This whole fucking season is just going to be a pointless victory lap, revisiting what they think are the shows greatest hits from the previous 7 seasons, isn't it?
Diggle held JJ responsible for not stopping Connor from running drugs? What the fuck is up with this future?
You know what would be great? Is if it turned out that these aren't flash forwards, but rather glimpses at a parallel Earth running similar to Earth-1, but 20 years ahead. I think I could maybe get on board on this Bizzaro-Darkest Timeline.
Would it be wrong when doing a hand-off of an allegedly deadly pathogen, to load the suitcase with those plastic snakes that are designed to jump out of peanut brittle cans?
Wait, I took the whole "I have no intention of giving her the virus" bit to mean he wasn't going to be fucking stupid enough to actually bring the real virus with him and risk it falling into the wrong hands. And here I thought Oliver was actually being smart.
Having read the CoIE comic, not to mention the various articles for the upcoming crossover, I wasn't shocked by the reveal of Lila's involvement with the Monitor. I was sort of wondering if it would be the Earth-1 Lilah or turn out to be a doppelganger.
All in all, this was a rather dull episode. You'd think Oliver might have done some of this soul searching....I don't know, before he actually agreed to help the Monitor?
cwdcshows.tumblr.com/post/188619029776/arrow-s8-e2-welcome-to-hong-kong
I'm a fan of the Youtube reactor, After Show Reacts, and she's just started season 2 of The Flash; and has just gotten to the point of meeting Harry, before he's called Harry; and seeing Jesse for the first time. Like I brought up with the previous episode, are they just gone now? Those may not have been Arrow characters, but they're also not so inconsequential as to kill off screen like that. They arguably mean a lot more than the doubles of Moira or Tommy. The only reason their deaths mean anything is because we know their Earth-1 doubles and it's like losing them all over again, but with Jesse and Harry, we know them. Never mind some of the other doubles we met along the way, like the other Barry and Iris.
Even the way they handled the look and history of Earth-2 kind of undermines what they were trying to do. They took everything established about it on The Flash and completely ignored it in favor of Oliver's personal story - forget that Robert Queen had been revealed as the Hood/Arrow on Earth-2, forget the advanced science of that things were true about Earth-2, like Atlantis being real and above water. They had to depict this Earth so much closer to Earth-1 than Earth-2 was ever made out to be, just to service Oliver's plot.
All of which leaves me thinking that this really shouldn't be Oliver's plot. Oliver doesn't do dimension hopping or interact, normally, with higher beings. This should arguably be Barry's shtick. That would have made a lot more sense to see Barry bouncing around to different Earth in the lead up to the Crisis, trying to find some way of averting what was going to happen, in the hopes of avoid his ultimate death. Instead it's Oliver, because they feel like the end of the series needs to be written into the story itself; to the point of writing in Oliver's death as the final end point and one of two things is going to come out of that: He's either not going to die somehow, which I've been thinking since last year is increasingly more likely, just the way they keep trying to club us over the head that he's going to die. Or he will die and it's going to be boring and anticlimactic, because they called it so far ahead and made his final arc all about how he's going to die and dragged it out. What's worse is that they've basically done the same thing with Barry's story and the fucking newspaper headline.
Okay, first dark matter has become commonplace on The Flash; now some nerd in Hong Kong can recognize a breach device for what it is, instead of assuming it's something like, a novelty hood ornament or virtually anything else? How the fuck could he know it is or is supposed to do? Cisco built this thing, at least partly inspired by his own meta-powers; and there hasn't been any indication that anyone else on Earth-1 had the ability to jump dimensions.
Older JJ does bear an uncanny resemblance to the actors who play his parents. But how the hell does the son of Diggle and Lila end up this way? Is he going to turn out to be deep cover? Makes about as much sense as anything with these flash forwards; and would explain why he didn't kill Mia when he had the chance in the last episode.
Once again, why the hell does Laurel have a fucking gun? She doesn't need one. I don't recall her using one before (but I could be wrong).
You gotta love when characters need to infiltrate a place and they say "it's practically impenetrable" and then immediately come up with a plan they flawlessly execute to penetrate it.
Hehe....penetrate...
That's a big-ass elevator for four dudes; who are standing in the most awkward "waiting to be attacked" pose possible. And all of them inexplicably, yet conveniently stand well in front of the access point Oliver uses to get in and attack them; allowing him to go unnoticed until it's too late.
Sorry Ollie, Captain America did it better; he did his elevator fight in a much closer quarters and didn't even need to sneak up on the people he was fighting.
So is this whole present-day plot a rehash of a crappy flashback plot that was too boring to have paid attention to the first time around?
This whole fucking season is just going to be a pointless victory lap, revisiting what they think are the shows greatest hits from the previous 7 seasons, isn't it?
Diggle held JJ responsible for not stopping Connor from running drugs? What the fuck is up with this future?
You know what would be great? Is if it turned out that these aren't flash forwards, but rather glimpses at a parallel Earth running similar to Earth-1, but 20 years ahead. I think I could maybe get on board on this Bizzaro-Darkest Timeline.
Would it be wrong when doing a hand-off of an allegedly deadly pathogen, to load the suitcase with those plastic snakes that are designed to jump out of peanut brittle cans?
Wait, I took the whole "I have no intention of giving her the virus" bit to mean he wasn't going to be fucking stupid enough to actually bring the real virus with him and risk it falling into the wrong hands. And here I thought Oliver was actually being smart.
Having read the CoIE comic, not to mention the various articles for the upcoming crossover, I wasn't shocked by the reveal of Lila's involvement with the Monitor. I was sort of wondering if it would be the Earth-1 Lilah or turn out to be a doppelganger.
All in all, this was a rather dull episode. You'd think Oliver might have done some of this soul searching....I don't know, before he actually agreed to help the Monitor?
cwdcshows.tumblr.com/post/188619029776/arrow-s8-e2-welcome-to-hong-kong