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Post by ProjectError on Oct 27, 2019 2:53:08 GMT
Batman (1989) - Huge hit. Loved by fans at its time. -parents complained it was too dark. WB decided to make Batman lighter & more family friendly & more fantasy. Batman Forever - More fantasy. Decent box office, although Batman fans generally disappointed. Batman & Robin - Complete and total failure. Critically panned. Put Batman on a 8-year hiatus.
WB decides to make Batman dark again.
Batman Begins - decent box office, although critically-acclaimed and adored by fans. The Dark Knight - critically acclaimed and box office smash.
WB decides to end a successful franchise and reboot Batman again, this time more fantasy.
BvS - disappointment The Justice League - Complete and total failure.
WB abandons copying Marvel for their shared universe idea. WB drops shared universe Batman & Superman.
WB decides to reboot a Batman character yet again, now we're back to dark and grounded.
Joker - Number #1 rated R of all-time. Loved by fans.
The Batman (2021) - Still pending on what the tone will be. WB says Joker will not be affiliated with this universe.
I said this years ago, but WB keeps repeating their mistakes over and over.
What works for Marvel does not work for DC. It's obvious that fans prefer more stand-alone movies and that they Batman in a dark, gritty, realistic world. Every time they get a hint with Batman, they keep dropping it in favor of a reboot for an inferior version of Batman - and it backfires on them every time.
I thought it was a mistake when they ended the The Dark Knight universe. You have a successful franchise here - why not continue the character with a new director? Joker is a huge hit - why not link him to the upcoming Batman?
If they keep ending their hits and starting over every time, the new characters are going to be less interesting and they will fail.
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 27, 2019 20:02:19 GMT
I don't think DC's shared universe failed because of that. The world of Batman in its traditional sense has to have some fantasy since falling into a chemical vat doesn't turn your skin white and your hair green. My problem is that they took what worked for Batman (by being dark and gritty) and built a shared universe on it and the result comes off so joyless and rushed. We didn't get to know any of the characters like Aquaman because his film came after Justice League.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 27, 2019 22:40:13 GMT
So shared DC universe bad and they should be doing more standalone movies, which is what Joker is, but they should also tie that movie into The Batman? I get Joker is a Batman character, but still.
The shared universe failed because the guy in charge of it a. Is a shitty filmmaker and b. Actively hates the characters unless perverted to his edgelord sensibilities, in turn making the audience hate them. Otherwise, there's no reason a shared DC universe couldn't have worked.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 27, 2019 22:40:58 GMT
The Dark Knight universe would have been crap without Nolan (They actually tried to continue it under Snyder).
I like the way they are differentiating the DC franchises from Marvel now.
The Joker in this movie will never be the same Joker from the comics or movies so it's good as a stand alone
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Post by hi224 on Oct 27, 2019 22:57:42 GMT
The Dark Knight universe would have been crap without Nolan (They actually tried to continue it under Snyder). I like the way they are differentiating the DC franchises from Marvel now. The Joker in this movie will never be the same Joker from the comics or movies so it's good as a stand alone agree.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 27, 2019 23:23:10 GMT
Batman works fine in a comic book reality in the comics. The movies that capitalized on this (BVS; JL) just weren't good. If anything, Joker proved that audiences still like the Batman mythos being taken in new directions.
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