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Post by Salzmank on Apr 23, 2017 17:40:36 GMT
Wow, thanks for all the great detective work, tarathian123! I have not yet heard Vallee's singing in anything besides Preston Sturges's The Palm Beach Story--the clip I found only had the music from the "Connecticut Yankees"--so I'll find another clip and give it a listen as soon as I get a chance. I believe "Lyncounion" was saying that they were made exclusively for the movie (as you say--"made-for-purpose"), at the express order of the director or producer, so I think "modern" would be around '72. That is why I was pinning my hopes on James D'Arc's finding something in composer John Addison's papers, to no avail. I have indeed reached out to Mr. Hartstone--nothing there, unfortunately. His words exactly: No worries about grasping at straws, then. Sometimes, for better or worse, we can still get a solid grasp, however small the straws may be. (How's that for torturing metaphors?  ) Indeed, the search goes on. To borrow the phrase from The X-Files, the truth is out there... |
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 23, 2017 19:10:07 GMT
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 23, 2017 19:19:17 GMT
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 23, 2017 19:22:04 GMT
On the Archive Standard Labels of Rudy Valee I supplied you'll note there are quite a few full shows of the Fleishmann Yeast Hour.
To get back to the movie. Interesting to note that it doesn't show a record-player, tape-recorder, nor even a radio, nor any source from whence the music is coming. All it shows is an extension speaker with a volume control.
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Post by Salzmank on Apr 24, 2017 4:14:51 GMT
On the Archive Standard Labels of Rudy Valee I supplied you'll note there are quite a few full shows of the Fleishmann Yeast Hour.
To get back to the movie. Interesting to note that it doesn't show a record-player, tape-recorder, nor even a radio, nor any source from whence the music is coming. All it shows is an extension speaker with a volume control.True--I suppose that only goes to back up the concept that the songs were done specially for the movie? |
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 24, 2017 5:33:30 GMT
Quite so. Most orchestras have within them performers who can turn to playing jazz and swing, and many spend their spare time doing session work, so my gut feeling is that Gary Hughes the music arranger for the songs (uncredited) and John Adison (himself a credited orchestrator) were solely responsible for the musical output in the movie. It follows does it not that as IMDb affirms the Canadian Gary Hughes as being the 1972 arranger of the songs, the recording of same must also be of that year? Exactly which orchestra and/or performers were employed under Adison's baton is anyone's guess. "Ghosts" (session artists - I've done session work myself) are seldom recognised or attributed. Just to clarify...this from wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_musician"Session musicians are used in any situation where professional musical skills are needed on a short-term basis. Typically session musicians are used by recording studios to provide backing tracks for other musicians for recording sessions and live performances; recording for advertising, film and television; or theatrical productions."
Whether there was tinkering and re-recording over existing stock orchestral recordings by who knows who, or a new session was arranged, I know not, but I think the answer lies there. As quoted earlier....Perhaps we should apply to Wikileaks for help? :-) |
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Post by carlcarlson1 on May 2, 2017 11:51:01 GMT
I'm sure there's a record of that somewhere, but, no receptionist knows exactly where or the people who know don't want to bother looking (as its probably archived in a warehouse). An in-person visit to their offices might yield some useful information.
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Post by carlcarlson1 on May 2, 2017 12:01:40 GMT
I'd also add that the LA local library research desk might be more informed about where to look than the current movie studio personnel itself.
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Post by carlcarlson1 on May 2, 2017 12:32:08 GMT
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Post by tarathian123 on May 2, 2017 13:02:18 GMT
The closest I've managed to get so far is Richard Himber and his Ritz-Carlton Orchestra with vocals from Fred Astaire and/or Joey Nash. www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoHBeGlRLvEHowever something I've noticed on the old 78s is that there is always a few orchestral refrain and chorus renditions before the vocalist kicks in. This doesn't happen with the Sleuth recordings. There's a short orchestral intro and then straight in with the vocalist. This leads me back to thinking it's a modern (i.e. the 70s) 30s-imitation recording made specially for the movie. |
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Post by Salzmank on May 2, 2017 16:28:20 GMT
Thanks, guys! carlcarlson1 , I very much appreciate the fact that you sent it to the LA library. I'm on the complete other side of the country, so no in-person visit for me. tarathian123 , thanks for finding that link! I haven't yet listened to it, but I will let you know when I do. As for the orchestral refrains, etc., that's what's WillEd and I were discussing back on the old IMDb boards. |
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Post by tarathian123 on May 2, 2017 17:16:26 GMT
Was that singer given a name that could be checked out?
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Post by Salzmank on May 2, 2017 17:35:08 GMT
Was that singer given a name that could be checked out? I'll check WillEd's original posts to see if he gave it. I still have the pages saved, downloaded to my laptop, from the IMDb boards. For whatever reason--can anyone help me out with this?--I can't get those images on here, so I saved them to that ne'er-used blog of mine, here. |
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Post by Salzmank on May 2, 2017 17:56:13 GMT
To answer your question, which I realize now that in that whole post I didn't answer, the singer is Gene Austin, and here's the link. He's not the Sleuth singer, WillEd was just using him as an example, I think. |
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Post by tarathian123 on May 3, 2017 13:19:35 GMT
No definitely not Gene Austin with all that syrup coming out of his throat.  The movie includes the songs "courtesy of Warner Bros. Publishing". I can't find any surviving company or sub-company that operates under that name. As far as I can discover Warner Bros played no part in the production of "Sleuth". The production company which made it was Palomar Pictures which dissolved in 2003. Both movie adaptations of the stage musical "Anything Goes" were Paramount productions. But then Palomar seems to have had no connection with either Warner Bros or Paramount, and Warner Bros only, one presumes, for attaining permission to use the songs (one way or another). Question, when did Warner Bros. obtain the rights for Cole Porter songs, and which company or sub-company would one contact to obtain permission to use them? I'm going round in circles trying to figure it out. |
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Post by Salzmank on May 3, 2017 15:28:44 GMT
No definitely not Gene Austin with all that syrup coming out of his throat. The movie includes the songs "courtesy of Warner Bros. Publishing". I can't find any surviving company or sub-company that operates under that name. As far as I can discover Warner Bros played no part in the production of "Sleuth". The production company which made it was Palomar Pictures which dissolved in 2003. Both movie adaptations of the stage musical "Anything Goes" were Paramount productions. But then Palomar seems to have had no connection with either Warner Bros or Paramount, and Warner Bros only, one presumes, for attaining permission to use the songs (one way or another). Question, when did Warner Bros. obtain the rights for Cole Porter songs, and which company or sub-company would one contact to obtain permission to use them? I'm going round in circles trying to figure it out. thinking, and I must say I never thought of it. Unfortunately, I've got no answer to any of your questions, and I too have done a little bit of searching to no avail. Well, in the spirit of the play--as Andrew Wyke said, the plot thickens! |
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Post by carlcarlson1 on May 3, 2017 17:14:53 GMT
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Post by Salzmank on May 3, 2017 17:16:34 GMT
I haven't, carlcarlson1. Thanks for giving me the link--I didn't even know that a Wikipedia reference desk existed! |
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Post by tarathian123 on May 3, 2017 19:00:53 GMT
I've looked through the previous posts and can't find a reference to anyone contacting Pinewood Studios where the movie was made. PINEWOOD: For all General Enquiries please contact T: +44 (0)1753 651700 or E: info@pinewoodgroup.com Pinewood Studios: +44 (0)1753 651700 Shepperton Studios: +44 (0)1932 562611 Pinewood Studio Wales: +44 (0)2920 534982 www.pinewoodgroup.com/our-studios/uk/post-production/facilities |
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Post by tarathian123 on May 3, 2017 20:30:41 GMT
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