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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 29, 2019 23:51:26 GMT
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 29, 2019 23:55:15 GMT
Anything with Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake, Kanye West, Whitney Houston and the list goes on...
If nothing else, none of these people have been around long enough.
To be honest, I don't even know if Madonna qualifies as an icon. Cher, probably.
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Post by poelzig on Oct 30, 2019 0:52:47 GMT
Anything with Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake, Kanye West, Whitney Houston and the list goes on... If nothing else, none of these people have been around long enough. To be honest, I don't even know if Madonna qualifies as an icon. Cher, probably. I'm not sure if you are joking but if you're not then I strongly disagree with your list.
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Post by gameboy on Oct 30, 2019 2:36:20 GMT
Anything with Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake, Kanye West, Whitney Houston and the list goes on... If nothing else, none of these people have been around long enough. To be honest, I don't even know if Madonna qualifies as an icon. Cher, probably. I think you're saying Beyonce and the others on the first line are NOT ICONIC, right? I hope that's what you're saying. I'd say Madonna and Cher are iconic.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 30, 2019 10:11:27 GMT
Anything with Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake, Kanye West, Whitney Houston and the list goes on... If nothing else, none of these people have been around long enough. To be honest, I don't even know if Madonna qualifies as an icon. Cher, probably. I think you're saying Beyonce and the others on the first line are NOT ICONIC, right? I hope that's what you're saying. I'd say Madonna and Cher are iconic. Yes, NOT ICONIC, that's what I meant... The reason why I would not place Madonna as an icon is because she doesn't really have that much personality, at any level. I mean she's loud and smart and resilient, but... Even her looks and her singing are kind of flat, and that is what an icon cannot be is flat. Cher has oodles of chemistry and she's pre-disco, so I think she's got a better shot at it.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 30, 2019 10:24:41 GMT
Anything with Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake, Kanye West, Whitney Houston and the list goes on... If nothing else, none of these people have been around long enough. To be honest, I don't even know if Madonna qualifies as an icon. Cher, probably. I'm not sure if you are joking but if you're not then I strongly disagree with your list. The only way that you could be correct is if the meaning of the word "iconic" has changed to flash-in-the-pan, nothing special, anybody who won a piece of tin. "Iconic" means representative of something universal or something that is broadly known. What are any of the people in the list representative of?
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 30, 2019 10:27:24 GMT
I think you're saying Beyonce and the others on the first line are NOT ICONIC, right? I hope that's what you're saying. I'd say Madonna and Cher are iconic. Yes, NOT ICONIC, that's what I meant... The reason why I would not place Madonna as an icon is because she doesn't really have that much personality, at any level. I mean she's loud and smart and resilient, but... Even her looks and her singing are kind of flat, and that is what an icon cannot be is flat. Cher has oodles of chemistry and she's pre-disco, so I think she's got a better shot at it. But the major American icons of the 20th century would have to be Marilyn, James Dean and Elvis. Probably put Andy Warhol on the list, too. Or at least he created icons.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 30, 2019 10:32:31 GMT
Yes, NOT ICONIC, that's what I meant... The reason why I would not place Madonna as an icon is because she doesn't really have that much personality, at any level. I mean she's loud and smart and resilient, but... Even her looks and her singing are kind of flat, and that is what an icon cannot be is flat. Cher has oodles of chemistry and she's pre-disco, so I think she's got a better shot at it. But the major American icons of the 20th century would have to be Marilyn, James Dean and Elvis. Probably put Andy Warhol on the list, too. Or at least he created icons. Michael Jackson is probably a legit icon. Fictional characters: Superman, Dorothy, JAWS and Mickey Mouse
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 30, 2019 10:35:42 GMT
And the most iconic movie of all time is no contest. "The Wizard of Oz" - there's really nothing even close.
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Post by njcardfan on Oct 30, 2019 14:02:43 GMT
Here's a list of musicians/groups I believe are iconic:
Hank Williams
Hank Williams, Jr
Willie Nelson
The Beatles
Elvis Presley
Frank Sinatra
Dean Martin
Enrique Caruso
The Supremes
Marvin Gaye
Michael Jackson
Luciano Pavarotti
Benny Goodman
Bing Crosby
Led Zepplin
Jimi Hendrix
Jim Morrison
Eric Clapton
Patsy Cline
Bruce Springsteen
There's more but I don't think there'd be much of an argument with this list when it comes to iconic. Now, as a point of debate, I don't consider the Stones iconic although a case can be made for them.
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Post by njcardfan on Oct 30, 2019 14:04:47 GMT
And the most iconic movie of all time is no contest. "The Wizard of Oz" - there's really nothing even close. Gone with the Wind would like to talk to you about that. However, I don't believe Citizen Kane is iconic even though it's usually voted as the #1 movie of all time. I would also consider the first 2 Godfather movies as iconic.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 30, 2019 14:05:32 GMT
Here's a list of musicians/groups I believe are iconic: Hank Williams Hank Williams, Jr Willie Nelson The Beatles Elvis Presley Frank Sinatra Dean Martin Enrique Caruso The Supremes Marvin Gaye Michael Jackson Luciano Pavarotti Benny Goodman Bing Crosby Led Zepplin Jimi Hendrix Jim Morrison Eric Clapton Patsy Cline Bruce Springsteen There's more but I don't think there'd be much of an argument with this list when it comes to iconic. Now, as a point of debate, I don't consider the Stones iconic although a case can be made for them. At least you have standards. Thank god.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 30, 2019 14:06:48 GMT
And the most iconic movie of all time is no contest. "The Wizard of Oz" - there's really nothing even close. Gone with the Wind would like to talk to you about that. However, I don't believe Citizen Kane is iconic even though it's usually voted as the #1 movie of all time. I would also consider the first 2 Godfather movies as iconic. Gone With The Wind may deserve status, but I think "The Wizard of Oz" is universally beloved. I do agree that the first Godfather movie is iconic. No doubt. I'm not so sure about the second one. hmmm...
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Post by gameboy on Oct 30, 2019 15:00:23 GMT
Here's a list of musicians/groups I believe are iconic: Hank Williams Hank Williams, Jr Willie Nelson The Beatles Elvis Presley Frank Sinatra Dean Martin Enrique Caruso The Supremes Marvin Gaye Michael Jackson Luciano Pavarotti Benny Goodman Bing Crosby Led Zepplin Jimi Hendrix Jim Morrison Eric Clapton Patsy Cline Bruce Springsteen There's more but I don't think there'd be much of an argument with this list when it comes to iconic. Now, as a point of debate, I don't consider the Stones iconic although a case can be made for them. It's a bit silly to say Bruce Springsteen is iconic, (he's the weakest one on your list), and then try and state that Jagger and the Stones are not. 
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Post by gameboy on Oct 30, 2019 15:02:49 GMT
Yes, NOT ICONIC, that's what I meant... The reason why I would not place Madonna as an icon is because she doesn't really have that much personality, at any level. I mean she's loud and smart and resilient, but... Even her looks and her singing are kind of flat, and that is what an icon cannot be is flat. Cher has oodles of chemistry and she's pre-disco, so I think she's got a better shot at it. But the major American icons of the 20th century would have to be Marilyn, James Dean and Elvis. Probably put Andy Warhol on the list, too. Or at least he created icons. No one mentioned David Bowie or Marc Bolan. They are definite icons.
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Post by mikef6 on Oct 30, 2019 16:15:07 GMT
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Post by njcardfan on Oct 30, 2019 19:23:31 GMT
Gone with the Wind would like to talk to you about that. However, I don't believe Citizen Kane is iconic even though it's usually voted as the #1 movie of all time. I would also consider the first 2 Godfather movies as iconic. Gone With The Wind may deserve status, but I think "The Wizard of Oz" is universally beloved. I do agree that the first Godfather movie is iconic. No doubt. I'm not so sure about the second one. hmmm... Some believe the 2nd one is better than the first. And wouldn't the first Star Wars movie be considered iconic?
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Post by someguy on Oct 30, 2019 22:09:34 GMT
Anything with Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake, Kanye West, Whitney Houston and the list goes on... If nothing else, none of these people have been around long enough. To be honest, I don't even know if Madonna qualifies as an icon. Cher, probably. I think Madonna is easily more iconic than Cher. |
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Post by Admin on Oct 30, 2019 22:14:26 GMT
I'm not sure if you are joking but if you're not then I strongly disagree with your list. The only way that you could be correct is if the meaning of the word "iconic" has changed to flash-in-the-pan, nothing special, anybody who won a piece of tin. "Iconic" means representative of something universal or something that is broadly known. What are any of the people in the list representative of? A flash-in-the-pan, nothing special anybody can't be representative of something universal or something that is broadly known? I think you're confusing 'iconic' with 'talented' or 'successful'.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 31, 2019 0:01:25 GMT
I think you're saying Beyonce and the others on the first line are NOT ICONIC, right? I hope that's what you're saying. I'd say Madonna and Cher are iconic. Yes, NOT ICONIC, that's what I meant... The reason why I would not place Madonna as an icon is because she doesn't really have that much personality, at any level. I mean she's loud and smart and resilient, but... Even her looks and her singing are kind of flat, and that is what an icon cannot be is flat. Cher has oodles of chemistry and she's pre-disco, so I think she's got a better shot at it. At the very least, I would say both Cher and Madonna are iconic narcissists.
As pop music icons, both Cher and Madonna I would say are also iconic. They both had their own unique and outrageous presentation that made people stand up and take notice. With an uninhibited sexuality and how Madonna exploited this aspect of herself really well, and got controversy in the process in some circles too, I'd say that would make her iconic for sure. Her music is still played and remembered and a good test for iconic status for these ladies would be if the millennial generation can easily recognize them.
I find Cher a bit freaky looking, but she had her own special charisma. After the 70's though, it was more movies that Cher would have been more popular for. She reached the pinnacle of fame by the end of the 80's and then started to wane off. I recall around 1990, she did a concert in Sydney I think and got a lot of critical flack for lip syncing. I think if she is easily recognizable, she is an icon.
Madonna photographed beautifully in black and white in, In Bed With Madonna aka Truth or Dare. The flatness aspect about Madonna that you have commented on is interesting, because I do semi-get where you are coming from. She wasn't a great looker, but she was also a strong and wirey looking broad. She put on an energetic and electric show and she was pretty in her own way. Her best qualities on film were showcased beautifully in Desperately Seeking Susan - 85'. I think her flatness is somewhat attributed to her pretty lackluster film career as opposed to Cher, who was very charismatic on screen. Neither ladies exude much of a sweetness or warmth factor though.
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