|
|
Post by janntosh on Nov 5, 2019 0:59:09 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by moviemouth on Nov 5, 2019 1:04:13 GMT
The fact that some people didn't understand what he meant is ridiculous.
The fact that so many people have taken offense is even more ridiculous.
|
|
|
|
Post by ck100 on Nov 5, 2019 1:04:56 GMT
The fact that this whole thing is still going on is ridiculous.
|
|
|
|
Post by janntosh on Nov 5, 2019 1:05:37 GMT
The fact that this whole thing is still going on is ridiculous. Every Marvel film is groundbreaking. Haven’t you heard? |
|
|
|
Post by moviemouth on Nov 5, 2019 1:12:35 GMT
I do think that he is being slightly closed minded though and that his criticism is I believe coming from a place of bitterness. I also think he is off base with some of his reasons. Some superhero movies do touch on the stuff he loves about movies, he would know that if he bothered actually watching them.
The difference is that comic book movies usually don't do these things in a way that leaves any lasting impression or in a way that makes me care, but I realize that many people disagree.
|
|
|
|
Post by Prime etc. on Nov 5, 2019 1:19:03 GMT
Good writing.
He gets to the nitty gritty--the corporations focused on franchises are preventing diversity in film.
"And if you’re going to tell me that it’s simply a matter of supply and demand and giving the people what they want, I’m going to disagree. It’s a chicken-and-egg issue. If people are given only one kind of thing and endlessly sold only one kind of thing, of course they’re going to want more of that one kind of thing."
"Today, that tension is gone, and there are some in the business with absolute indifference to the very question of art and an attitude toward the history of cinema that is both dismissive and proprietary — a lethal combination. The situation, sadly, is that we now have two separate fields: There’s worldwide audiovisual entertainment, and there’s cinema. They still overlap from time to time, but that’s becoming increasingly rare. And I fear that the financial dominance of one is being used to marginalize and even belittle the existence of the other."
For anyone who dreams of making movies or who is just starting out, the situation at this moment is brutal and inhospitable to art. And the act of simply writing those words fills me with terrible sadness."
|
|
|
|
Post by moviemouth on Nov 5, 2019 1:30:52 GMT
Good writing. He gets to the nitty gritty--the corporations focused on franchises are preventing diversity in film. "And if you’re going to tell me that it’s simply a matter of supply and demand and giving the people what they want, I’m going to disagree. It’s a chicken-and-egg issue. If people are given only one kind of thing and endlessly sold only one kind of thing, of course they’re going to want more of that one kind of thing." "Today, that tension is gone, and there are some in the business with absolute indifference to the very question of art and an attitude toward the history of cinema that is both dismissive and proprietary — a lethal combination. The situation, sadly, is that we now have two separate fields: There’s worldwide audiovisual entertainment, and there’s cinema. They still overlap from time to time, but that’s becoming increasingly rare. And I fear that the financial dominance of one is being used to marginalize and even belittle the existence of the other." For anyone who dreams of making movies or who is just starting out, the situation at this moment is brutal and inhospitable to art. And the act of simply writing those words fills me with terrible sadness." Well, it's giving people what they want but in a very lazy and generic way and most people don't even realize it. The real laziness comes in not with MCU movies but with remakes, reboots and endless pointless sequels. I think part of the problem is that people no longer see the point in watching small movies in the cinema these days, because they come online and are pirated so fast. The big spectacle movies are the only movies many people see worth paying $10 for at the cinema.
|
|
|
|
Post by Prime etc. on Nov 5, 2019 1:40:58 GMT
Well, it's giving people what they want but in a very lazy and generic way and most people don't even realize it. The real laziness comes in not with MCU movies but with remakes and endless pointless sequels. He is saying that the studios are avoiding content diversity and use the excuse that it is what people want, which is like saying the people want unreliable corrupt politicians who are being paid by the banks. He didn't talk about Marvel specifically in the editorial--he was criticizing superhero and franchise films in general which makes more sense that picking on Marvel only. I think he and others just don't want to say Disney and corporations when they know perfectly well who is creating the problem.
|
|
|
|
Post by moviemouth on Nov 5, 2019 1:53:44 GMT
Well, it's giving people what they want but in a very lazy and generic way and most people don't even realize it. The real laziness comes in not with MCU movies but with remakes and endless pointless sequels. He is saying that the studios are avoiding content diversity and use the excuse that it is what people want, which is like saying the people want unreliable corrupt politicians who are being paid by the banks. He didn't talk about Marvel specifically in the editorial--he was criticizing superhero and franchise films in general which makes more sense that picking on Marvel only. I think he and others just don't want to say Disney and corporations when they know perfectly well who is creating the problem.
Yeah, I agree with that. There are many good movies still being made though. I just went to see Parasite and that is a very creative and original movie. I think people don't like to be challenged anymore and big tentpole movies are the main problem. This is more the chicken and egg thing to me. Do people not want to be challenged anymore because they are having big easy movies shoved down their throat all the time or are the studios just taking advantage of how dumb people have become? I am only being a little serious here.
|
|
|
|
Post by Prime etc. on Nov 5, 2019 2:06:14 GMT
Yeah, I agree with that. There are many good movies still being made though. I just went to see Parasite and that is a very creative and original movie. I think people don't like to be challenged anymore and big tentpole movies are the main problem. This is more the chicken and egg thing to me. Do people not want to be challenged anymore because they are having big easy movies shoved down their throat all the time or are the studios just taking advantage of how dumb people have become? I am only being a little serious here. But that's an Asian film, not a Western one. The problem which no doubt Scorsese takes to heart, is that western film is completely fucked up--which is crazy since film originated there. And he does not accept the answer "it is what people want"--I think it is what Hollywood does best--the big lie. The Black Panther was empty at my local theater but it still played for months. That's like a restaurant chain with a place in the desert, but it stays open despite no customers because the company can subsidize it.
People want entertainment diversity, but the companies won't allow it. Disney deliberately gave John Carter a poor title and marketing because they did not support the film and wanted it to die.
The studios are driven by narrow ideology and taste--not public demand or normal business concerns.
They do not give a fuck what people want-if they did-they would be doing regional film again like the 30s-70s.
Even cable channels like TLC and Animal Planet and BET --the executives or founders said they noticed big content changes when the companies were taken over by corporations--suddenly Animal Planet viewers wanted hunting shows and BET viewers wanted gangster rap? It's the lunatics in the head office--they are crazy and out of touch with society. They make decisions according to their bad taste and then claim the people want it-and when the people don't embrace it, they blame them. lol
|
|
|
|
Post by moviemouth on Nov 5, 2019 2:14:05 GMT
Yeah, I agree with that. There are many good movies still being made though. I just went to see Parasite and that is a very creative and original movie. I think people don't like to be challenged anymore and big tentpole movies are the main problem. This is more the chicken and egg thing to me. Do people not want to be challenged anymore because they are having big easy movies shoved down their throat all the time or are the studios just taking advantage of how dumb people have become? I am only being a little serious here. But that's an Asian film, not a Western one. The problem which no doubt Scorsese takes to heart, is that western film is completely fucked up--which is crazy since film originated there. And he does not accept the answer "it is what people want"--I think it is what Hollywood does best--the big lie. The Black Panther was empty at my local theater but it still played for months. That's like a restaurant chain with a place in the desert, but it stays open despite no customers because the company can subsidize it.
People want entertainment diversity, but the companies won't allow it. Disney deliberately gave John Carter a poor title and marketing because they did not support the film and wanted it to die.
The studios are driven by narrow ideology and taste--not public demand or normal business concerns.
They do not give a fuck what people want-if they did-they would be doing regional film again like the 30s-70s.
Even cable channels like TLC and Animal Planet and BET --the executives or founders said they noticed big content changes when the companies were taken over by corporations--suddenly Animal Planet viewers wanted hunting shows and BET viewers wanted gangster rap? It's the lunatics in the head office--they are crazy and out of touch with society. They make decisions according to their bad taste and then claim the people want it-and when the people don't embrace it, they blame them. lol
I partly think the same way Scorsese does here, but I don't want to make too many assumptions. Then when you start making these claims then some people start calling you paranoid.
|
|
|
|
Post by Prime etc. on Nov 5, 2019 2:16:50 GMT
I partly think the same way Scorsese does here, but I don't want to make too many assumptions. Then when you start making these claims then some people start calling you paranoid.
You can verify if. The founder of BET said she didnt like what happened to the station--it went against what she had intended. Animal Planet was spoofed on the Simpsons for its hunting shows. This is just like politics. The media (which owns movie studios too) said the country loves Hillary and hates Trump. The rallies showed otherwise. These are the same idiots making movies and saying it is what people want. They are incompetent and out of touch.
|
|
|
|
Post by OldAussie on Nov 5, 2019 10:41:42 GMT
and everything he writes is true.
|
|
|
|
Post by jonesjxd on Nov 5, 2019 11:24:35 GMT
I believe the access to smaller movies is there, its just the demand that's not there. It costs a lot of money to go to the movies, and people want to get their moneys worth with the big theatrical movie experiences. In years past that big theatrical experience were biblical and historical epics or westerns, then with 2001 A Space Odyssey, the Exorcist and Jaws the big theatrical experience turned to more B-movie material (by those days standards sci-fi/horror/thriller was certainly B-movie material), then came Star Wars and Indiana Jones, and that opened the door to superhero movies taking over. That's just how it is, but I don't believe these movies are denying access to smaller movies. I'm in a small midwestern city, and The Lighthouse is showing on 4 screens nearby, a tiny movie shot in black and white and presented in full screen. It's literally anti-cinematic and there's still room for it.
|
|
