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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Nov 5, 2019 17:46:00 GMT
Not sure how to post it from my phone but currently trending on Twitter is a story about how the Chargers are considering moving to London as a full-time permanent team there. How could this possibly work with the travel and time differences? Seattle at London would be unfair, for example. Would teams get byes after playing there? How would the Chargers handle it? And how would London deal with the population explosion when Philip Rivers moves his family there?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 5, 2019 17:52:36 GMT
They're spending $5,000,000,000 on a new stadium and moving before they even dirty up the locker room? I sincerely doubt it.
If the NFL decides to establish a bridgehead in Europe (again, I sincerely doubt it) it will be an expansion team. A team with a distinct history instead of a retread.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 5, 2019 18:08:53 GMT
I don't see it happening. The travel makes it unreasonable.
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Post by bluerisk on Nov 5, 2019 18:46:05 GMT
They're spending $5,000,000,000 on a new stadium and moving before they even dirty up the locker room? I sincerely doubt it. If the NFL decides to establish a bridgehead in Europe (again, I sincerely doubt it) it will be an expansion team. A team with a distinct history instead of a retread. It had to be an entire division imho or otherwise this team would travel itself to death...and yes, I want Frankfurt Galaxy back. We (Germans) showed far more loyalty to the NFL (Europe) then all the others. In the end five of six teams where located in Germany, and the Frankfurt had a attendance of over 30000 (more then the Charger last season) and this without playing NFL teams from the US. The London Monarchs folded. No London team: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Europe#Attendance
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Post by bluerisk on Nov 5, 2019 18:54:24 GMT
Not sure how to post it from my phone but currently trending on Twitter is a story about how the Chargers are considering moving to London as a full-time permanent team there. How could this possibly work with the travel and time differences? Seattle at London would be unfair, for example. Would teams get byes after playing there? How would the Chargers handle it? And how would London deal with the population explosion when Philip Rivers moves his family there? Well, the general idea of moving a team to London is a quite popular topic:
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 5, 2019 19:06:07 GMT
They're spending $5,000,000,000 on a new stadium and moving before they even dirty up the locker room? I sincerely doubt it. If the NFL decides to establish a bridgehead in Europe (again, I sincerely doubt it) it will be an expansion team. A team with a distinct history instead of a retread. It had to be an entire division imho or otherwise this team would travel itself to death...and yes, I want Frankfurt Galaxy back. We (Germans) showed far more loyalty to the NFL (Europe) then all the others. In the end five of six teams where located in Germany, and the Frankfurt had a attendance of over 30000 (more then the Charger last season) and this without playing NFL teams from the US. The London Monarchs folded. No London team: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Europe#Attendance There's so many negatives. Travel, stadium (will a team be allowed to use Wembley for eight games and four months?), apathy (will it get old if it's permanent? If the team sucks?), home playoff games (the NFL loves late conference championship game times. If London makes the AFC Championship, when will the game start?). Will the FA fight back if the NFL tries to make it permanent?. Europeans love rivalries, will they embrace a team with no rivalry that means shit to them?
The NFL dreams of being a global league. It bothers them to crow about SB ratings and have someone bring up WC ratings. And the London games do sell well. They want to invade Europe but will it be worth it. Without two teams, I think not. Any current fanbase will soil themselves if they lose their beloved franchise to London, Berlin or some other European city. And does then NFl want to risk moving a team only to we it sail westward in a few years?
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Post by Xeliou66 on Nov 5, 2019 19:14:32 GMT
I don’t see it happening and I certainly hope it doesn’t. It’s stupid to move a team that far away to a foreign nation, there are so many issues. It would be really stupid to have a team that far away from everyone else.
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Post by bluerisk on Nov 5, 2019 19:23:22 GMT
It had to be an entire division imho or otherwise this team would travel itself to death...and yes, I want Frankfurt Galaxy back. We (Germans) showed far more loyalty to the NFL (Europe) then all the others. In the end five of six teams where located in Germany, and the Frankfurt had a attendance of over 30000 (more then the Charger last season) and this without playing NFL teams from the US. The London Monarchs folded. No London team: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Europe#AttendanceThere's so many negatives. Travel, stadium (will a team be allowed to use Wembley for eight games and four months?), apathy (will it get old if it's permanent? If the team sucks?), home playoff games (the NFL loves late conference championship game times. If London makes the AFC Championship, when will the game start?). Will the FA fight back if the NFL tries to make it permanent?. Europeans love rivalries, will they embrace a team with no rivalry that means shit to them?
The NFL dreams of being a global league. It bothers them to crow about SB ratings and have someone bring up WC ratings. And the London games do sell well. They want to invade Europe but will it be worth it. Without two teams, I think not. Any current fanbase will soil themselves if they lose their beloved franchise to London, Berlin or some other European city. And does then NFl want to risk moving a team only to we it sail westward in a few years?
Wembley has no tenant, with European teams you could minimize the travel for the US teams and the Europeans fans had their own rivalries and wouldn't lose every game. Germany was far more open and supportive to the NFL Europe then any other country (no German team ever folded and in the end 5 of 6 teams where located in Germany) and teams like Frankfurt Galaxy and Düsseldorf Rhinfire had their own solid fanbase without the big games against US teams. My point is simply: either you have an entire division in Europe or it isn't even worth trying.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Nov 5, 2019 19:27:06 GMT
Maybe the one good lesson us barbaric Americans can learn from soccer is relegation. Move the four worst teams each year to play their home games in Europe. I hope you Brits enjoy the likes of the Browns, Bengals, Jets, and Dolphins every year.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 5, 2019 19:27:13 GMT
They're spending $5,000,000,000 on a new stadium and moving before they even dirty up the locker room? I sincerely doubt it. If the NFL decides to establish a bridgehead in Europe (again, I sincerely doubt it) it will be an expansion team. A team with a distinct history instead of a retread. It had to be an entire division imho or otherwise this team would travel itself to death...and yes, I want Frankfurt Galaxy back. We (Germans) showed far more loyalty to the NFL (Europe) then all the others. In the end five of six teams where located in Germany, and the Frankfurt had a attendance of over 30000 (more then the Charger last season) and this without playing NFL teams from the US. The London Monarchs folded. No London team: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Europe#Attendance Yeah it really has to be an entire division. Let the teams of Europe stage their own regular season/playoffs and then challenge the NFL's best in a true 'Super Bowl' like the old days of the NFL vs. the AFL before the merger. The problem with that format is, well, everything other than logistics. How do you build a fanbase both locally for individual teams and globally to keep American NFL fans interested in seeing the European teams? Would that European division/league be a part of the NFL draft or would they have to build their teams separately? If it's all one draft, how excited is the #1 pick out of Oklahoma to play for the Barcelona Dragons, and again, how do you motivate American fans to follow the great players of European teams? If it's a separate draft or undrafted players going to Europe, how would those teams ever be good enough to compete? It just doesn't work in my mind as anything other than a minor league in Europe. There would have to be a grass roots effort to build the game of American football rather than building the brand of the NFL itself. Otherwise the talent disparity would be too great to overcome for the global teams to ever get a foothold in the sporting culture of that country long enough to be on equal footing with the NFL. Ironically the only way to avoid all of these issues is to do what we've been advising against-- move established NFL franchises to Europe and expect the brand to sell itself. A greedy shortcut and a dangerous ploy that could blow up in their faces if much of the domestic fanbase abandons the league here in the US and the sport still doesn't catch on in its new location.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 5, 2019 19:35:13 GMT
There's so many negatives. Travel, stadium (will a team be allowed to use Wembley for eight games and four months?), apathy (will it get old if it's permanent? If the team sucks?), home playoff games (the NFL loves late conference championship game times. If London makes the AFC Championship, when will the game start?). Will the FA fight back if the NFL tries to make it permanent?. Europeans love rivalries, will they embrace a team with no rivalry that means shit to them?
The NFL dreams of being a global league. It bothers them to crow about SB ratings and have someone bring up WC ratings. And the London games do sell well. They want to invade Europe but will it be worth it. Without two teams, I think not. Any current fanbase will soil themselves if they lose their beloved franchise to London, Berlin or some other European city. And does then NFl want to risk moving a team only to we it sail westward in a few years?
Wembley has no tenant, with European teams you could minimize the travel for the US teams and the Europeans fans had their own rivalries and wouldn't lose every game. Germany was far more open and supportive to the NFL Europe then any other country (no German team ever folded and in the end 5 of 6 teams where located in Germany) and teams like Frankfurt Galaxy and Düsseldorf Rhinfire had their own solid fanbase without the big games against US teams. My point is simply: either you have an entire division in Europe or it isn't even worth trying. That's where I was going. And the NFL isn't going to move four team or give four expansion teams to Europe and ignore Portland, San Antonio and other US cities. They can't dilute the product that much either. There's too many players now that have no business playing in Sunday. And travel. the Minor Pacific Coast League had a franchise in Honolulu and it didn't work. The WFL had a team in Honolulu and it didn't work (then again the WFL didn't work). Travle and they're out on their own sticking out like a sore thumb.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Nov 5, 2019 20:21:07 GMT
I think the real problem is that no one in LA wants the Chargers there. Remembering that last year and the year before they were a good team and still were outnumbered by opposition fans at wvery home game playing in a relatively small venue.
As for London, between TNF and bye weeks you can work a fair schedule for 8 home games in London with a bit of cooperation, but it becomes unworkable in the post season. Better to look for a western US option who actually wants a team (or second team) to relocate to.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Nov 5, 2019 20:42:11 GMT
I am adamantly against it, but not for the reasons already brought up. I am against it because American culture is already tremendously dominant worldwide in practically all areas: movies, TV, music, food, Internet, books (well, books a little less so, I guess). The last thing we need is for American sports to spread worldwide. Fuck that.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 5, 2019 20:50:41 GMT
I am adamantly against it, but not for the reasons already brought up. I am against it because American culture is already tremendously dominant worldwide in practically all areas: movies, TV, music, food, Internet, books (well, books a little less so, I guess). The last thing we need is for American sports to spread worldwide. Fuck that.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Nov 5, 2019 20:59:57 GMT
How many free agents would a London team attract? Maybe a solution is to give that team a higher cap number to work with. Unless a player really wants to go to London, no one would willingly sign there. Or, they’ll become the last resort team for players like Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon, etc.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 5, 2019 21:22:03 GMT
How many free agents would a London team attract? Maybe a solution is to give that team a higher cap number to work with. Unless a player really wants to go to London, no one would willingly sign there. Or, they’ll become the last resort team for players like Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon, etc. Zero if you tell them about the food. I think you have to be a pro athlete to afford a place in London proper, so there's that.
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Post by Marv on Nov 5, 2019 21:24:48 GMT
Trying to force a european nfl team has been one of the more annoying things the past several years. Just stop Roger! Nobody wants this.
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Post by _ on Nov 5, 2019 21:27:51 GMT
It's kind of amusing to see basically every comment on every website say "it will never happen" when the NFL has clearly been discussing doing it, and making it work, for years now.
Literally no one thought TNF would work, or was even a good idea, and guess what, they did it anyway.
Money trumps all, folks.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 5, 2019 21:32:11 GMT
Just move back to f'n San Diego you idiots.
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Post by _ on Nov 5, 2019 21:32:16 GMT
And the other funny bit of news for everyone saying "they will never put a team there" is the rumor that now they are considering TWO teams there.
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