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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 6, 2019 23:19:06 GMT
My fav MCU film, my 3rd fav CBM behind Superman & The Dark Knight, & my #32 all time. Out of the gate, I'll highlight that I most appreciate its step out of the limelight role in the saga. Much like Harry Potter: Prisoner of Azkaban, with no Voldemort, AOU sans Thanos places the emphasis here on introspection & character development. I can't jump from The Avengers to Civil War & the character traits & arcs without this movie, & I've loved this one since day 1. Where to begin? Love the screenplay, truckloads of great dialogue & humour. 'If you get hurt, hurt'em back. If you die, walk it off.' Tony taking the reins of the mission, because he really doesn't seem like he wants to have to save Earth from what he's seen in the cosmos. His ego can't bring him to tell the others until it's too late, let alone Thor when he throws the party as an excuse to harness the scepter. Steve trying his damnest to keep everyone on the same page, his commencement with butting heads over the mission with Stark. Banner really not sure about his role, just seems to want reconciliation & not having to be counted on when the world can't even handle Hulk. Thor as cosmic bridge for the Avengers here, he's the one trying to get the legwork done figuring out the stones' more frequent incidents. Natasha really not moved on emotionally from her past, giving in to Banner's monstrous kinship. Hulk flying off at the end is pretty rough for her. Clint, I think he's the key star here in a way Scott Lang was for Endgame. His family 'safehouse' is a great lane change, & his raport with Quicksilver is great. 'You didn't see that coming.' demise still hits as dramatic emotional death, ultimate sacrifice from someone barely into the gig. Ultron via James Spader is terrific, a great foil for Stark & co., considering he's partially born of Stark-Jarvis. Vision is a nice addition here because while super powered, he's not saving the universe just by waving his hands. Scarlet Witch shows well her capabilities, of course it's subsequent films which give her more leg work. Several awesome moments, not least of all Hulk vs. Hulkbuster, & my fav MCU echange - when Ultron intros at Avengers tower, 'No, how could you be worthy? You're all killers.' That's such a hard hit to the entire premise of super hero ensemble. My fav scene to date though has to be the tractor, Stark in the barn 'Do me a favour, try not bringing it to life.' Yet another hard hit to the truth, from Nick Fury himself no less. Stark & Fury's 1-1 time in that moment is for me the bridge between Phase 1-2 & 2-3. Shoutout the Wakanda name drop, & Andy Serkis bringing it in his moment here too. Not sure what else to mention, everyone & their brother has seen the movie. Polarizing, meh my subjective connection with this movie is so awesome that I really don't even debate much with ppl about it. 'Ok, look, the city is flying, we're fighting an army of robots, and I have a bow and arrow. None of this makes sense.'
My MCU favs: 1. Avengers: Age of Ultron 2. Avengers: Infinity War 3. Captain America: Civil War 4. Avengers: Endgame 5. Captain America: The First Avenger 6. The Avengers 7. Thor: Ragnarok 8. Guardians of the Galaxy 9. Ant-Man 10.Iron Man
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Post by politicidal on Nov 6, 2019 23:25:05 GMT
I enjoyed it when I first saw it. And still like it upon repeat viewings. 8/10. Some subplots don't work like the Hulk/Widow romance and the entire character of Quicksilver is an afterthought. However, I really enjoyed the action scenes and the scale of the movie even compared to the Chitauri invasion in the first one. Ultron is one of my favorite MCU villains;James Spader was perfect casting. RDJ, Chris Evans, and Jeremy Renner are good. Elizabeth Olsen picks up the slack next to ATJ well enough. Paul Bettany is the standout as Vision. A superb example of how interesting a character can be even if introduced at the last act.
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Post by merh on Nov 7, 2019 2:27:51 GMT
I enjoy it as a flawed film.
Whedon was cracking under the strain of Perlmutter & bitched about it later.
He tried to hard on the monster theme, trying to make each hero framed as a monster. Didn't work.
On the other habd, the cinematic vision was amazing. Several shots looked straight out of a comicbook. The opening hero-quip/hero-quip/hero-quio/title page all of them together in an action shot. The scene in the church where they are all fighting Ultrons-centerfold.
I never got the hate for it. Even falling short on the monster thread, it was still amazing.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 7, 2019 3:51:12 GMT
My favourite mcu movie and my second favourite comic book movie. Joss Whedon is the only person who can make an Avengers movie in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 4:21:14 GMT
There's a lot going on in it and always something happening. It's my least favorite of the Avengers outings, but that's really just saying in a dressing made of garlic, anchovies, lemon juice and oil, something's gotta be the oil. They can't all be the anchovies. So by default it's my least. But it's a high least. It's one of my favorite Marvel movies to join in at any time, or to just have on in the background.
There's just a lot of movie to look at and it's comfy. All the criticisms I had, I forgot about them or don't care anymore. I just like enjoying it.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Nov 7, 2019 14:35:10 GMT
I love this movie, and from my first viewing I thought it was every bit the equal of the first Avengers movie, and in many ways surpassed it. Imagine what Whedon might have been able to do if that assclown Perlmutter wouldn't have been constantly interfering. As much as a love the Russo's two Avengers movies, I think Whedon has a better understanding of the characters and a better eye for action sequences. I've often wondered what his take on Infinity War and Endgame would have been if he'd have stayed on as director of the Avengers movies.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 7, 2019 17:44:25 GMT
It remains a top tier MCU film for me. I think some of the criticism is fair; it could've done with maybe 10 less one liners and Thor's hot tub time machine (though we know it was forced in by the studio) was unnecessary. But overall, wow. I loved the expansion into Hawkeye's personal life and the introduction of Vision. Say what you want about Ultron being too goofy, it would've been so much worse if he was your typical "I will destroy you all because that's what robots do" villains. He had genuine complexity and a mystery about him. (Personally, I still wonder if he knew Thanos was coming with his whole line about 'God winding up.' I like to think he did know, which adds another layer of nuance to his plan.)
It's a tiny moment but one of the best small details in the film is when Thor looks down at Hawkeye's daughter and decides to go find out more about the Stones. As mentioned, the visionquest is superfluous but I just love that scene from a character moment aspect. MCU Thor is such a self-absorbed clown most of the time, it's great to see him look at that little girl and remember the Earth is his to protect; these are his people and he's going to do whatever it takes to keep them safe. The MCU needs that Thor more often.
The action scenes are fantastic. Generic robot army or not, that scene of the team coming together to defend the MacGuffin from the Ultron sentries is as good as it gets for a comic book fan. As. Good. As. It. Gets. The whole team working together, using their awesome power to overcome evil. Truly, Earth's Mightiest Heroes. I still get chills watching that scene, if you went back to my childhood reading Avengers comics and showed that scene to me, my head would've exploded.
The journey of Wanda and Pietro from villains to heroes is a bit rushed, but it has a nice payoff with the Wanda/Hawkeye moment in the final fight. Vision is a revelation. You aren't going to find much better dialog in a sci-fi flick than his conversation with Ultron at the end.
The characters are lived in, the team is established. You don't have to waste any time getting them together and you can start delving into what makes them similar and what separates them, as with Cap & Tony's argument at the Barton farm. The villain has a motivation other than 'just because.' AoU is what you want out of an Avengers movie if you grew up reading the comics, it's that simple. I hate the term 'underrated,' but I do think it deserves less criticism for what it got wrong and more credit for what it actually did very well.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 7, 2019 19:46:42 GMT
Imagine what Whedon might have been able to do if that assclown Perlmutter wouldn't have been constantly interfering. I do & I don't. I think a full Russo's saga might've been too much, esp. during the earlier, lighter, character development phase. Once we were more than comfortable, then having them dive into the deep end towards IW was a the proper balance. Same with why the lighter full length films we did get are too so welcome, as balance.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 7, 2019 19:52:17 GMT
It's a tiny moment but one of the best small details in the film is when Thor looks down at Hawkeye's daughter and decides to go find out more about the Stones. As mentioned, the visionquest is superfluous but I just love that scene from a character moment aspect. MCU Thor is such a self-absorbed clown most of the time, it's great to see him look at that little girl and remember the Earth is his to protect; these are his people and he's going to do whatever it takes to keep them safe. The MCU needs that Thor more often. I think it's also why Bro Thor is acceptable for me, because he's carried way too much on his shoulders & he literally failed to destroy Thanos when he had him by the balls. That moment you mentioned seems to be more poignant for Thor as more films & time passed. Thor isn't on Earth to tidy up drug lords or international military conflict, he's here to protect it from cosmic chaos he had hand in inviting.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 17, 2019 7:18:55 GMT
Captain America: Ultron thinks we're monsters, that we're what's wrong with the world. This isn't just about beating him, it's about whether he's right.
Probably the best dialogue I've heard in a comic book movie. All the dialogue on Hawkeye's farm is 24k gold in my opinion.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 17, 2019 16:34:26 GMT
I enjoy it as a flawed film. Whedon was cracking under the strain of Perlmutter & bitched about it later. He tried to hard on the monster theme, trying to make each hero framed as a monster. Didn't work. On the other habd, the cinematic vision was amazing. Several shots looked straight out of a comicbook. The opening hero-quip/hero-quip/hero-quio/title page all of them together in an action shot. The scene in the church where they are all fighting Ultrons-centerfold. I never got the hate for it. Even falling short on the monster thread, it was still amazing. Whedon wanted to be the whedon from Buffy and felicity. Disney forced him to make crap with ultron. he had pride and he left.
Ultron is one of the worst mcu movies among their bad movies and the jokes?
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 17, 2019 22:26:55 GMT
I enjoy it as a flawed film. Whedon was cracking under the strain of Perlmutter & bitched about it later. He tried to hard on the monster theme, trying to make each hero framed as a monster. Didn't work. On the other habd, the cinematic vision was amazing. Several shots looked straight out of a comicbook. The opening hero-quip/hero-quip/hero-quio/title page all of them together in an action shot. The scene in the church where they are all fighting Ultrons-centerfold. I never got the hate for it. Even falling short on the monster thread, it was still amazing. Whedon wanted to be the whedon from Buffy and felicity. Disney forced him to make crap with ultron. he had pride and he left.
Ultron is one of the worst mcu movies among their bad movies and the jokes?
You got that completely backwards as it was mostly Perlmutter's idiocy that made the film weaker than its predecessor. But then again, you're behavior resembles that of Flat Earther, so what am I doing here anyway.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 17, 2019 22:31:43 GMT
Not my favorite Marvel movie, but i like it.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Nov 18, 2019 15:12:04 GMT
Glad to see someone else likes it. I was beginning to think I was the only one.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 27, 2019 21:54:03 GMT
Going back and watching it and lines have more meaning even if they weren't meant the way they were when said at the time. Like the "How were you guys planning on beating that?" "Together." "We'll lose." "Then we'll do that together, too." seems to have more meaning. They look at each other for a few seconds, then Stark has this moment where he walks off to think while Cap starts throwing out inspiration. Because of Endgame that moment makes you side with Stark.
Wow, these movies feel more tragic upon rewatching all of it again.
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