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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 19, 2017 16:50:44 GMT
I dont let them do that. Because as an individual I dont care for common thought or group think. You don't enjoy the perspective of others? I do, even if I don't agree. It's also how you learn things, how you consider new ideas and perspectives. Sometimes you actually realize you do agree and didn't know it.
Why do you view that as a bad thing?
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Post by Jerk on Apr 19, 2017 16:56:18 GMT
I dont let them do that. Because as an individual I dont care for common thought or group think. You don't enjoy the perspective of others? I do, even if I don't agree. It's also how you learn things, how you consider new ideas and perspectives. Sometimes you actually realize you do agree and didn't know it.
Why do you view that as a bad thing?
Read my next comment after that. I enjoy a good discussion as much as anyone. Look at what we are doing now. But just because someone has an excellent argumentative point, either for or against a movie. Doesnt mean I will change my mind to like or dislike a movie, or anything. And I would hope everyone stands by their opinions too. Life would be boring id everyone thought the same thing. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 19, 2017 16:59:38 GMT
Read my next comment after that. I enjoy a good discussion as much as anyone. Look at what we are doing now. But just because someone has an excellent argumentative point, either for or against a movie. Doesnt mean I will change my mind to like or dislike a movie, or anything. And I would hope everyone stands by their opinions too. Life would be boring id everyone thought the same thing. Yeah, and that's exactly what I've been saying. I read for what they're saying about the film, not their opinion of it. However if I realize what is being said about the film doesn't appeal to me, then I'll recognize that and avoid it. I don't go watch poorly made films just to "form my own opinion". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 17:00:35 GMT
You don't enjoy the perspective of others? I do, even if I don't agree. It's also how you learn things, how you consider new ideas and perspectives. Sometimes you actually realize you do agree and didn't know it.
Why do you view that as a bad thing?
Read my next comment after that. I enjoy a good discussion as much as anyone. Look at what we are doing now. But just because someone has an excellent argumentative point, either for or against a movie. Doesnt mean I will change my mind to like or dislike a movie, or anything. And I would hope everyone stands by their opinions too. Life would be boring id everyone thought the same thing. No one here is going to take the critics' word as gospel. I just like seeing films I know I'll probably enjoy get good feedback. Or is that a hypocritical point, too? |
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Post by Jerk on Apr 19, 2017 17:03:07 GMT
Read my next comment after that. I enjoy a good discussion as much as anyone. Look at what we are doing now. But just because someone has an excellent argumentative point, either for or against a movie. Doesnt mean I will change my mind to like or dislike a movie, or anything. And I would hope everyone stands by their opinions too. Life would be boring id everyone thought the same thing. No one here is going to take the critics' word as gospel. I just like seeing films I know I'll probably enjoy get good feedback. Or is that a hypocritical point, too?  |
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Post by Jerk on Apr 19, 2017 17:06:23 GMT
Read my next comment after that. I enjoy a good discussion as much as anyone. Look at what we are doing now. But just because someone has an excellent argumentative point, either for or against a movie. Doesnt mean I will change my mind to like or dislike a movie, or anything. And I would hope everyone stands by their opinions too. Life would be boring id everyone thought the same thing. Yeah, and that's exactly what I've been saying. I read for what they're saying about the film, not their opinion of it. However if I realize what is being said about the film doesn't appeal to me, then I'll recognize that and avoid it. I don't go watch poorly made films just to "form my own opinion". And like you with trailers I dont check out reviews until after seeing the movie. And I've reached my own conclusions in regards to what I liked and didn't like. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 17:07:40 GMT
No one here is going to take the critics' word as gospel. I just like seeing films I know I'll probably enjoy get good feedback. Or is that a hypocritical point, too? Triggered. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 19, 2017 17:11:09 GMT
And like you with trailers I dont check out reviews until after seeing the movie. And I've reached my own conclusions in regards to what I liked and didn't like. I reach my own conclusions as well.
I'm not looking for opinions. I'm looking for over aching ideas that I've determined are legitimately true about the film.
I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm reading reviews for. It has nothing to do with other people's opinions. Do you understand?
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Post by Jerk on Apr 19, 2017 17:14:40 GMT
And like you with trailers I dont check out reviews until after seeing the movie. And I've reached my own conclusions in regards to what I liked and didn't like. I reach my own conclusions as well.
I'm not looking for opinions. I'm looking for over aching ideas that I've determined are legitimately true about the film.
I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm reading reviews for. It has nothing to do with other people's opinions. Do you understand?
Thats what im saying. Its yours that counts. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 19, 2017 17:34:10 GMT
I reach my own conclusions as well.
I'm not looking for opinions. I'm looking for over aching ideas that I've determined are legitimately true about the film.
I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm reading reviews for. It has nothing to do with other people's opinions. Do you understand?
Thats what im saying. Its yours that counts. I agree. I just appreciate some incite into certain aspects of the films execution. I was in architectural design early on, and if you've never taken any sort of design, there is a language to how things are constructed. It may sound like opinion if you aren't attune to it, but there are certain things said regarding the structure of films that I pick up on as trends, and they aren't mere opinions. They are comments on how the film is built. And that's what I'm interested in. |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 19, 2017 18:07:58 GMT
Honestly, I thought the first one was just okay. It wasn't as good as people were making it out to be. A lot of the humor felt really forced. It was on tv (terrestrial) last night, so I watched it again. I did enjoy it first time around but on second viewing I thought it was average. It just felt like they were playing for laughs and with an exceptionally poor villain. Sort of like Galaxy Quest with a bigger budget (the villain was better In Galaxy Quest). The scene with Yondu taking out a dozen enemies was one of the many ridiculous scenes. Each to their own I guess. I will watch the second movie but there is nothing to suggest it ill be any better. I had a similar feeling with number 1, I really enjoyed it in theaters, so when it came on home video I rented it and upon a second viewing lot of that shine wore off. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Apr 19, 2017 18:18:16 GMT
I read for what they say in their opinion, not whether they ultimately liked it or not.
It's what they're saying about the narrative structure, characterization, focus of the film, etc that interests me. So I can read two films that score a 70% and know that one of them I'll have little interest in and the other I'll probably love. Usually that turns out to be correct.
If you're just reading for whether they liked the film or not, I think you're missing the point of the critic.
My point is thst it's better not to let them plant ideas in your head and view movies with a fresh, clean perspective. Like you said about not watching trailers. Let the movie surprise you. And I can agree with that. It takes a supreme effort for most to be resolute in their beliefs all the time (honestly, that's just being inflexible in my opinion). Humans can be remarkably persuasive. The important thing to remember in this process is that critics are incredibly jaded. They do what we do for fun and entertainment for a living. They're are saturated in media every day and, as a result, they must struggle with issues of mainting objectivity and avoiding cynicism. Honestly, what could surprise or delight a person who goes to the movies five days a week? This individual has to produce opinions on demand for everything they see including posters, trailers, TV spots and feature-length films. And they have to compare it to everthing that has come before. Their ability to be delighted on a visceral level must be severely impaired. You would have to raise the bar incredibly high to catch them off guard. Grace Randolph in particular suffers from this. She's become tonedeaf to what actually constitutes an original and truly creative endeavor. For her, something isn't "great" unless she can compare it with something else that was considered "great" in the past with absolute certaintly. She's become so deeply ensconsed in the politics and business side of her analysis that she has let it infect and predetermine her creative assessments. SaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 19, 2017 18:28:33 GMT
My point is thst it's better not to let them plant ideas in your head and view movies with a fresh, clean perspective. Like you said about not watching trailers. Let the movie surprise you. And I can agree with that. It takes a supreme effort for most to be resolute in their beliefs all the time (honestly, that's just being inflexible in my opinion). Humans can be remarkably persuasive. The important thing to remember in this process is that critics are incredibly jaded. They do what we do for fun and entertainment for a living. They're are saturated in media every day and, as a result, they must struggle with issues of mainting objectivity and avoiding cynicism. Honestly, what could surprise or delight a person who goes to the movies five days a week? This individual has to produce opinions on demand for everything they see including posters, trailers, TV spots and feature-length films. And they have to compare it to everthing that has come before. Their ability to be delighted on a visceral level must be severely impaired. You would have to raise the bar incredibly high to catch them off guard. Grace Randolph in particular suffers from this. She's become tonedeaf to what actually constitutes an original and truly creative endeavor. For her, something isn't "great" unless she can compare it with something else that was considered "great" in the past with absolute certaintly. She's become so deeply ensconsed in the politics and business side of her analysis that she has let it infect and predetermine her creative assessments. SaveSaveSaveSaveGrace Randolph...............I dont hate her, but she just rambles into nonsense and it's just a turn off, half the time I find myself saying "Grace......shut up" |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 19:15:01 GMT
And I can agree with that. It takes a supreme effort for most to be resolute in their beliefs all the time (honestly, that's just being inflexible in my opinion). Humans can be remarkably persuasive. The important thing to remember in this process is that critics are incredibly jaded. They do what we do for fun and entertainment for a living. They're are saturated in media every day and, as a result, they must struggle with issues of mainting objectivity and avoiding cynicism. Honestly, what could surprise or delight a person who goes to the movies five days a week? This individual has to produce opinions on demand for everything they see including posters, trailers, TV spots and feature-length films. And they have to compare it to everthing that has come before. Their ability to be delighted on a visceral level must be severely impaired. You would have to raise the bar incredibly high to catch them off guard. Grace Randolph in particular suffers from this. She's become tonedeaf to what actually constitutes an original and truly creative endeavor. For her, something isn't "great" unless she can compare it with something else that was considered "great" in the past with absolute certaintly. She's become so deeply ensconsed in the politics and business side of her analysis that she has let it infect and predetermine her creative assessments. SaveSaveSaveSaveGrace Randolph...............I dont hate her, but she just rambles into nonsense and it's just a turn off, half the time I find myself saying "Grace......shut up" @ Atom Discord and brownstones: Wow, I'd heard Grace Randolph wasn't a reliable critic, but that's... yikes. |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 19, 2017 19:26:24 GMT
Grace Randolph...............I dont hate her, but she just rambles into nonsense and it's just a turn off, half the time I find myself saying "Grace......shut up" @ Atom Discord and brownstones: Wow, I'd heard Grace Randolph wasn't a reliable critic, but that's... yikes. Occasionally she brings up okay points, but the other day she was talking about Brolin being Cable.....and the undercut it then randomly brought in his domestic dispute from a decade ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 19:32:55 GMT
@ Atom Discord and brownstones: Wow, I'd heard Grace Randolph wasn't a reliable critic, but that's... yikes. Occasionally she brings up okay points, but the other day she was talking about Brolin being Cable.....and the undercut it then randomly brought in his domestic dispute from a decade ago. Yeah, that does hurt her credibility, considering none of us are who we were ten years ago, and therefore it holds no water of what he's up to now. |
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Post by miike80 on Apr 19, 2017 19:50:45 GMT
As i said earlier in this topic there's zero chance of me not watching the movie as soon as i can. I just find the opinions interesting. That doesn't mean you're going to enjoy the movie though, right? I mean whats the point of predeciding you're going to like something based on what someone else thought? When only you know what you like. I don't know if I will like GOTGV2. I loved the first one and most of the MCU but that doesnt mean I will automatically like everything they will produce. Same goes for any franchise. Who says i'm not gonna enjoy it? just because i read other opinions doesn't mean i can't have my own. For instance i had a blast with Fast and Furious 8 and it's not really the highest rated movie |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Apr 19, 2017 19:55:44 GMT
Occasionally she brings up okay points, but the other day she was talking about Brolin being Cable.....and the undercut it then randomly brought in his domestic dispute from a decade ago. Yeah, that does hurt her credibility, considering none of us are who we were ten years ago, and therefore it holds no water of what he's up to now. And this is where calling here a critic becomes a complete stretch. She falls somewhere between rumor monger, industry analyst and wanna-be journalist. She brought up Brolin's past issues because similar allegations had a negative impact on Nate Parker's film Birth of a Nation. Brolin's private life is bound to be less of an issue for fans because the movie in question is not a serious drama that explores a social ill. In the final assessment, Brolin's domestic abuse charges have nothing to do with gauging the creative merit of the decision to cast him as Cable in Deadpool 2. SaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 20:07:47 GMT
Yeah, that does hurt her credibility, considering none of us are who we were ten years ago, and therefore it holds no water of what he's up to now. And this is where calling here a critic becomes a complete stretch. She falls somewhere between rumor monger, industry analyst and wanna-be journalist. She brought up Brolin's past issues because the similar allegations had a negative impact on Nate Parker's Birth of a Nation. Brolin's private life is bound to be less of an issue for fans because the movie in question is not a serious drama that explores a social ill. In the final assessment, Brolin's domestic abuse charges have nothing to do with gauging the creative merit of the decision to cast him as Cable in Deadpool 2. SaveSaveThat reminds me of the people who'd get righteously enraged at Matthew Broderick over the car accident he had in Ireland back in '85-'86-ish. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Apr 19, 2017 20:15:28 GMT
And this is where calling here a critic becomes a complete stretch. She falls somewhere between rumor monger, industry analyst and wanna-be journalist. She brought up Brolin's past issues because the similar allegations had a negative impact on Nate Parker's Birth of a Nation. Brolin's private life is bound to be less of an issue for fans because the movie in question is not a serious drama that explores a social ill. In the final assessment, Brolin's domestic abuse charges have nothing to do with gauging the creative merit of the decision to cast him as Cable in Deadpool 2. SaveSaveThat reminds me of the people who'd get righteously enraged at Matthew Broderick over the car accident he had in Ireland back in '85-'86-ish. Exactly, that's a great parallel. But, she indulges herself in these weird diversions into celebrity gossip because she enjoys judging famous people. SaveSaveSaveSave |
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