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Post by mortsahlfan on Nov 10, 2019 20:42:23 GMT
I did a poll here months ago, 1930-70s vs. 1980s-present, and older movies won. I was surprised because I know the average age in here is probably much younger than anyone born in the 1930s, but an overwhelming majority chose older movies.
Why do YOU think the older movies were better?
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 10, 2019 20:51:31 GMT
The people who made them were more enthusiastic about making them or had more desire to put careful effort into them, from writing to acting to musical scoring.
The single word I would choose is INTENSITY.
I think there was more intensity to the experience.This is probably the biggest difference to today.
One gets the impression with modern movies of going through the motions and a lack of enjoyment and enthusiasm in making them.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 10, 2019 21:10:12 GMT
Generally they made better stories in the past.
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Post by johnspartan on Nov 10, 2019 21:14:34 GMT
Modern Hollyweird is completely infested with nihilist assholes no longer interested in artistry. Even Spielberg is no longer himself. People are starting to wake up to this.
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Post by Caesium137 on Nov 10, 2019 22:12:06 GMT
Older movies could tell more original stories because they were first on the scene. Movies in the current day are mostly derivative. You only get a handful of original visions like Interstellar, Inception, Arrival, Birdman, Ex Machina etc.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 11, 2019 0:30:39 GMT
Older movies could tell more original stories because they were first on the scene. Movies in the current day are mostly derivative. You only get a handful of original visions like Interstellar, Inception, Arrival, Birdman, Ex Machina etc. Partly agreeing with this. Blockbusters and their imitators do take up a lot of the attention in the press and insider speculation. But original films are still plentiful. There's just more work involved in seeking them out.
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Post by vegalyra on Nov 11, 2019 2:11:19 GMT
In my opinion the studio system just worked (great writers, great actors, great directors). Also, after the Production Code was done away with (which actually led to a lot of great films operating under its restrictions) we hit a bright burst of light with immense creativity and studios willing to take a chance on original ideas (late 1960's until the late 1970's). While the movie industry has mostly always been about profit, it seemed that the production companies didn't try to dumb down their stories just to reach the broadest audience. Also, you have the China factor today which the industry seems determined to sell out too just to secure financing and have access to their censored market. That doesn't help.
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Post by ck100 on Nov 11, 2019 2:25:07 GMT
Not as commercially/financially motivated as they are today.
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Post by mslo79 on Nov 11, 2019 3:36:20 GMT
I think if you polled the public at large I would assume 'newer movies' would beat 'older movies' OVERALL.
I think the majority of the general public would agree with me especially if you used pre-and-post 1970 as the split point between older and newer movies as I think one could argue 1970's was roughly the beginning of 'newer movies' because of blockbusters like Jaws (1975) etc. so I would say 'newer movies' would be roughly 1970's or 1980's as the start point.
but even sticking to post-1980 for 'newer movies' I still think there is a good chance that the majority of the general public would side with post-1980 over pre-1980 because the people around here are only a small sample size. still, I would be curious to see the results of your poll in these forums if it was split pre-1970 and post-1970 instead of using 1980 as the split point.
still, my best guess if you polled the masses (as in at least tens of millions of people) in a pre-and-post 1970 poll that at least 70%+ (i.e. at least 7 out of 10 people) would side with post-1970 over pre-1970 OVERALL and I expect that percentage to be further locked in if you did a pre-and-post 1960. but even sticking to your pre-and-post 1980 example... I would still expect the majority to side with post-1980 when was all said and done.
p.s. using your examples of pre-and-post 1980... I heavily favor post-1980 movies as my favorite movies in general as only 10.5% of my favorite movies are made pre-1980 (i.e. 16/153). but the vast majority of my favorites are from the 1990's to date as 81.7% of my favorite movies are from the 1990's to date (i.e. 125/153). hell, even if I had to pick pre-2000 vs post-2000, I would still side with the post-2000 option even though there would be much more competition at this point as looking at the percentages... Pre-2000 = 39.9% (61/153) ; Post-2000 = 60.1% (92/153). even when looking into the more important details for me... even when splitting things into individual scores in the post-and-pre 2000 time frames, the post-2000 comes out ahead on all of them with the exception of my 10/10's which are tied at three each. but the rest the post-2000 has a higher volume in each score bracket (i.e. 10/10, 9/10, 8/10, 7.5-8/10, 7/10) which still makes it a easy enough choice for me but at this point it's really starting to cut out plenty of my favorites in general but when you do a pre-and-post 1990 it's really easy for me to side with post-1990 and VERY easy doing a pre-and-post 1980 thing to side with post-1980.
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Post by biker1 on Nov 11, 2019 3:56:57 GMT
^ what a large tiresome bs post from someone who doesn't watch old movies.
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Post by poelzig on Nov 11, 2019 5:18:13 GMT
^ what a large tiresome bs post from someone who doesn't watch old movies. His taste in movies is odd and he is under the mistaken impression that most movie fans think like he does which is far from reality. He is a nice guy though for the most part despite his weird phobia about watching any movie made before 1970.
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Post by biker1 on Nov 11, 2019 10:05:15 GMT
^ what a large tiresome bs post from someone who doesn't watch old movies. His taste in movies is odd and he is under the mistaken impression that most movie fans think like he does which is far from reality. He is a nice guy though for the most part despite his weird phobia about watching any movie made before 1970. The ad nauseam repetition, and meaningless obsession with numbers defies comprehension...and patience.
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Post by mslo79 on Nov 11, 2019 13:05:24 GMT
^ what a large tiresome bs post from someone who doesn't watch old movies.
But I make a good point in favor of newer movies which you completely overlook, as usual. do you honestly think MOST PEOPLE (as in the majority) like movies pre-1970 than post-1970 overall?
trust me, I have seen enough movies to know for certainty that 'newer movies' are better than 'older movies' in my book. because even if there are some undiscovered gems for me from the 'old movie' types (say pre-1960), there is simply no way the volume will come anywhere close to the movies in fairly recent memory even if I had seen a similar amount of movies back then as I have in more recent memory.
p.s. so while you might think what I say is the same old tired post, when topics like these come up I tend to repeat pretty much the same comments because I think I make a solid case in their favor and what else can one really say(?). sure, I can't prove it but I would be surprised if I was wrong about the majority of people siding with post-1970 over post-1970. because people around here, may or may not, but when you start counting many millions of people I think things will swing in favor of the newer stuff over older stuff. come to think of it... maybe that's just the way things are as for example... say 50-100 years from now, how many movies from today and say the last 50-100 years will people still be watching? ; I suspect not all that many, especially for the typical movie watcher who watches some movies here and there. sure, there might be some exceptions but a good portion of what we like now will be largely forgotten in time I suspect.
You honestly think I am wrong about claiming the majority of the people would like movies pre-1970(or pre-1980) over post-1970 (or post-1980) OVERALL?
also, it's not pre-1970 I avoid... it's mainly movies pre-1960's I avoid watching as their overall style/feel is too different from more modern standards and it's harder to like them to a higher degree because of it as more modern movies just have more all around feeling/emotion to them which comes back to general all around interest/entertainment they give me. although I have seen a little more pre-1960's movies here and there lately.
also, looking at my favorite movies I don't think my taste in movies is anywhere near odd as I am sure there are others around here who are definitely less mainstream as while I am not saying someone has to like only mainstream movies I feel once you go to far off the radar the general quality in movies will take a solid hit overall. so while I realize we all like what we all like, if one wants to use some sort of standard to judge someones taste in movies by I would have to think if ones taste is more mainstream than not, they will have more in common with the typical movie watcher than someone who's not into semi-mainstream/mainstream movies.
sure, I realize I might like a more limited amount of what I see vs most people(?) but the way I see it is the vast majority of movies are nothing special and my ratings of movies tend to reflect this fact. because I always rate movies based on how interesting/entertaining they are for me and the further they get away from this the lower the rating. rating any other way makes no sense to me and in this regard it's pretty safe to say most people are inline with me there (simply because most people watch movies to be entertained).
plus, I am confident many would agree with me that when you look at all movies as a whole, the movies of any real worth are movies you want to re-watch here and there as the years pass. those that fail that basic test are ultimately nothing special. sure, I realize not everyone re-watches movies but I would have to assume many do as a quality movie is like a good song, you want to see/hear it from time-to-time as the years pass. people who never or rarely re-watch movies I just don't get as if I never or rarely re-watched movies I would largely lose my interest in movies because when re-watching movies I am nearly guaranteed to get a certain level of entertainment from them (a large portion of the time anyways), be it mildly or quite a bit, where as seeing movies I have not already seen is mostly misses at this point in time (especially since I feel I have largely exhausted seeing movies from the past that I would think are of any real worth and even if there are some out there, which there might be, it won't be easy to find them as ill have to watch a bunch of mostly forgettable movies to 'maybe' find a gem which is why I am in no rush), especially from the past as I still find a movie being released into the future that's solid here and there.
so while I am sure not everyone thinks like I do, given what I said above, I am sure a good portion agree with me on that much even though what movies are good and bad vary from person to person but my basic points above I think are a good way to gauge movies as re-watch factor is typically my basic goal when watching movies as I want to find movies that I want to re-watch from time to time as the years pass as those that fail that basic test are ultimately forgettable which basically explains why only about 1 out of ever 5 movies I have seen over the long run past that test and a even smaller amount (maybe 1 out of every 10) stand out from the pack and are good enough for me to call favorites.
p.s. either way, thanks for the 'nice guy' comment 
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Post by nostromo on Nov 11, 2019 13:15:18 GMT
They don't make 'em like they used to. That doesn't mean every movie before 1970 is good and every one after is bad. But the craft, dedication and vision of the industry pre 1970s was just amazing. It's just different now.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 11, 2019 13:36:59 GMT
They don't make 'em like they used to. That doesn't mean every movie before 1970 is good and every one after is bad. But the craft, dedication and vision of the industry pre 1970s was just amazing. It's just different now. Well that`s really go without saying. But i think its really more of a preference thing. And that is the last thing i will say in this thread.
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Post by mslo79 on Nov 11, 2019 13:45:35 GMT
Feologild OakesBut would it be fair to say that in the old days things generally advanced more because all around movie making did not top out yet? ; so it's not surprising larger leaps were still being made from the early days through maybe the 70's or 80's or 90's before things pretty much mostly leveled off and it became more about taking ideas that have already been done and doing them well than doing something new/original. but I agree with you on some level with the preference thing... because movies are just different all around back from say about pre-1960 vs post-1960 (not exactly there but if I have to roughly draw the line at a certain decade that's pretty much where I would draw it, maybe pre-and-post 1970). I pretty much consider the 1960's as the early days of modern movies but became more legit modern by the 1970's and was more in full swing by the 1980's as I feel around the 1980's ain't too much different from today's standards.
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Post by ReyKahuka on Nov 11, 2019 13:52:02 GMT
Without looking at my list, I'd guess the majority of my favorite movies are from the 1990s. I do have favorites from the 30s-70s and of course more modern favorites as well, but I think the 90s would probably be the best decade for my personal taste.
As far as the poll goes, it's biased by it's very nature. People who don't watch older movies are less likely to take part in the poll, so your results are going to skew in favor of older films.
In general, I don't think filmmaking was better or worse in the 1940s than it is today, just different-- in so many ways. Some of today's best films still measure up with the classics though, and vice versa. Don't confuse the multitude of bad movies released every year with what modern filmmaking is actually capable of when effort is put into it.
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Post by mslo79 on Nov 11, 2019 14:07:29 GMT
ReyKahuka The 1990's would be my 2nd choice behind the 2000's as the decades worth mentioning rank like this for me OVERALL... 1)2000's (three 10/10, five 9/10, nine solid 8/10, seven 7.5-8/10, twenty-two 7/10. total of 46 movies.) 2)1990's (one 10/10, two 9/10, seven solid 8/10, eight 7.5-8/10, fifteen 7/10. total of 33 movies.) 3)2010's (zero 10/10, two 9/10, four solid 8/10, fourteen 7.5-8/10, twenty-six 7/10. total of 46 movies.) 4)1980's (zero 10/10, zero 9/10, two solid 8/10, four 7.5-8/10, six 7/10. total of 12 movies.) 5)1960's (two 10/10, one 9/10, one solid 8/10, one 7.5-8/10, four 7/10. total of 9 movies.) 6)1970's (zero 10/10, zero 9/10, zero solid 8/10, three 7.5-8/10, three 7/10. total of 6 movies.) although the 1990's and 2010's are pretty close to interchanging, but I gave the slight edge to the 1990's for now due to it being a bit better in the higher tier movies for me. even the 1980's vs 1960's is pretty close to swapping but I think ill give the overall edge to the 1980's due to variety even though I could look at it in that the 1980's only has a three movie edge in total volume but the 1960's has the edge in the cream-of-the-crop range and in this regard it swings in favor of the 1960's over the 1980's. still, all-in-all ill go with the 1980's over the 1960's for now. p.s. after those six decades things pretty much drop off a cliff. Yeah, but I think if you asked a bunch of random people to name their favorite movies, the ones that stand out from the pack, I would expect to see a higher volume of them being from post-1970 than from pre-1970. because when I judge decades I don't care how many bad movies are released as I only look at the gems when judging this stuff as no one cares about the crap movies, only the gems when you bottom line it
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Post by 博: Dr.BLΔD€ :锯 on Nov 11, 2019 15:00:37 GMT
Modern Hollyweird is completely infested with nihilist assholes no longer interested in artistry. Even Spielberg is no longer himself. People are starting to wake up to this. A tad extreme and sweeping. You sound like you got fired from Hollywood. 
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 11, 2019 16:12:02 GMT
It's simple really: most people have only seen the really good classic movies that have survived. No one alive really remembers or has seen the massive amount of crap that was produced. And if they have, they've done it in that so bad, it's good, MST3K type way.
Essentially, they're comparing the best of the past, with the worst/average of the present.
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