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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 10, 2019 23:19:05 GMT
My list: 1- X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) - brilliant sci-fi movie 2- X-Men: Apocalypse (2016) - epic superhero movie, the most X-Men-ish so far 3- X2: X-Men United (2003) 4- X-Men: First Class (2011) 5- X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - brilliant superhero movie, very bleak 6- Logan (2017) 7- Dark Phoenix (2019) - wonderful ride with some epic moments, there should have been 15/20 minutes of additional footage 8- The Wolverine (2013) 9- X-Men (2000) - a modern classic which paved the way 10- Deadpool 2 (2018) 11- X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - fun and entertaining 12- Deadpool (2016) - still a great movie ----------------------------------------> Mine is a work of passion, a labour of love. Hopefully you will love it. No mean to harm, it's just a fan website focused on fixing the errors. And I did it. The Deadpool movies, Logan, Legion (series) and The Gifted (series) are three parallel universes; each one featuring an alternate version of the X-Men. The Main X-Men Universe (X-Men + Wolverine) has been altered via time travel ("Days of Future Past"). X-CONTINUITY x-continuity.blogspot.com There are extensive sections explaining more about incongruences and contradictions in the saga.
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Post by James on Nov 11, 2019 0:40:03 GMT
Haven’t seen Dark Phoenix yet, but my ranking would go:
Logan Days of Future Past X2 Deadpool 2 X-Men Deadpool First Class Apocalypse The Wolverine The Last Stand Origins
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 11, 2019 4:49:26 GMT
X2 First Class Days of Future Past Deadpool Logan Deadpool 2 X-Men The Wolverine Dark Phoenix The Last Stand Apocalypse Origins
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 11, 2019 15:02:44 GMT
It's funny people rag on this series, because the best ones are some of the most recent ones. There was a certain point where they gotta better as time went on.
I love Logan and Days of Future Past. The best of the bunch imo.
I really liked First Class, X1, and X2. The originals (of each series), but later ones surpassed them.
I enjoy X3 and The Wolverine, but they are a notch below the best ones.
Wolverine Origins is terrible. TERRIBLE.
I didn't bother with Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix. The trailers and young replacements (the 2nd round, not the First Class crew) did nothing for me. The reviews didn't help either.
I don't do Deadpool. I simply don't like the character.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2019 18:35:52 GMT
It's funny people rag on this series, because the best ones are some of the most recent ones. There was a certain point where they gotta better as time went on. I love Logan and Days of Future Past. The best of the bunch imo. I really liked First Class, X1, and X2. The originals (of each series), but later ones surpassed them. I enjoy X3 and The Wolverine, but they are a notch below the best ones. Wolverine Origins is terrible. TERRIBLE. I didn't bother with Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix. The trailers and young replacements (the 2nd round, not the First Class crew) did nothing for me. The reviews didn't help either. I don't do Deadpool. I simply don't like the character. Because they're far too inconsistent. For every X2 you have an X3. For every DOFP you have an Apocalypse. For every Logan you have a Dark Phoenix. Now if their worst movies were a thing of the past and they seemed to be getting better as time progressed then people might have been willing to forget the bad movies. Unfortunately, both Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix we extremely recent, which just goes to show that they still don't know what they're doing.
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Post by sostie on Nov 11, 2019 19:13:43 GMT
Logan, The Vaughn films, Deadpool at the top
Apocalypse & Dark Phoenix way down at the bottom
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 11, 2019 19:32:47 GMT
It's funny people rag on this series, because the best ones are some of the most recent ones. There was a certain point where they gotta better as time went on. I love Logan and Days of Future Past. The best of the bunch imo. I really liked First Class, X1, and X2. The originals (of each series), but later ones surpassed them. I enjoy X3 and The Wolverine, but they are a notch below the best ones. Wolverine Origins is terrible. TERRIBLE. I didn't bother with Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix. The trailers and young replacements (the 2nd round, not the First Class crew) did nothing for me. The reviews didn't help either. I don't do Deadpool. I simply don't like the character. Because they're far too inconsistent. For every X2 you have an X3. For every DOFP you have an Apocalypse. For every Logan you have a Dark Phoenix. That's debatable. To me, "Apocalypse" is a brilliant and perfect superhero movie. Much more compelling and fascinating than any MCU solo effort or even Avengers 2 (and I don't hate MCU movies, not all of them at least).
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2019 20:01:45 GMT
Because they're far too inconsistent. For every X2 you have an X3. For every DOFP you have an Apocalypse. For every Logan you have a Dark Phoenix. That's debatable. To me, "Apocalypse" is a brilliant and perfect superhero movie. Much more compelling and fascinating than any MCU solo effort or even Avengers 2 (and I don't hate MCU movies, not all of them at least). Actually it's not debatable. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, but using any measurable metric we have for movies, Apocalypse is considered subpar compared to its contemporaries.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 20:47:49 GMT
What's good and bad may not be my favorites.
Days of Future Past is a good film, and one of my least favorites. The X-Men and this movie especially bring out my inner childhood fan. The film is good, well shot, well-written, but I thought the cartoon's interpretation of the source material was better.
I liked the first X-Men. It was the first foray really into downplaying the extraordinarily colorful universe into a mostly black and blue color scheme. I liked it enough. Some characters were winners on arrival. I thought Rogue was awful. This sassy, upbeat, overpowered and fun-loving Cajun Goddess who can fly and kick ass was cast as a shy and unassertive Anna Paquin with a fraction of the powers. They nailed Logan, Professor X and Magneto. Halle Berry's fine but she could do better considering her talent. Its problem is it felt (to me) like it didn't really pack the punch of its message about superiority, racism, Xenophobia. It was good, but again, burdened as I am from knowledge of the source material, I know it could have been better, despite being one of my faves in the series.
X2 was sharper. Higher stakes, stronger relationships, higher tension, more entertaining visuals and a straight goods better screenplay. The first X-Men had some cornier moments (the dialogue between Storm and Toad) but it was definitely an improvement. I liked it.
X3 I don't remember very well. They teased one of the best metaphors about conversion therapy, homophobia and surrendering to self-loathing, but they tried to squeeze in the dark phoenix and I just don't remember how it went.
Wolverine Origins, unfortunately there's just so unseeing the leaked half-edited copy. I ruined it for myself. Half the film was doing stunts in front of green screens with visible wires.
The Wolverine doesn't stick with me after it's over. I'm pretty sure I like it, but I don't actually know why.
First Class I liked. I thought it was as bold or bolder than the first. New colors, new actors, new director. It was a breath of fresh air into the franchise. Up until its release, I thought the X-Men were over. It was good.
Apocalypse I thought was bad, despite the talent involved.
Dark Phoenix...this is where it gets interesting. My expectations were so low of the franchise and the real world situation of Disney acquiring Fox meaning this would be their last outing liberated me from the obligation to treat it seriously. Therefore, surprise! I did not feel off put by this movie. I wouldn't call it good or high quality, but I enjoyed it more than the technically better Apocalypse.
I liked Logan a lot. Aside from the fact I think it's a well-done movie, it's an appropriate send-off for Hugh Jackman and the character. I liked that it was about something more. X-23 was convincingly dangerous, I liked the metaphors on display, I liked the angle that Professor X's aging has resulted in his power become unstable and dangerous. Hugh Jackman's really good, so it was good to see him really flex the claws with his range. High stakes, high tension. The little girl killed it. I don't remember the villain to save my life, but I think after fighting his own clone, it's safe to say Wolverine's greatest obstacle has always been himself.
Still in a little disbelief the Deadpools count. The two of them are my favorites. If it were just the X-Men films with the X-Men alone, it would be X-Men and Logan. What I thought was X-Men's downfall in the beginning has aged into its saving grace. It shot for the middle and that's where it stayed. It's a comfy film.
I like and appreciate them all. Some more than others, and as a film franchise, some of them are lackluster to me, but despite the (in my opinion) superior effort of the MCU, the X-Men were always my favorite characters/team. Except for maybe Jubilee, all the X-Men were my favorite characters. Their rogues gallery, especially Professor X and Magneto, makes for one of my favorite ideological struggles in all works of fiction.
They may not be ranked according to the rules, but it's snowing outside and I'm off work today, so this is what I wrote about. Tis what it is.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 11, 2019 20:54:28 GMT
That's debatable. To me, "Apocalypse" is a brilliant and perfect superhero movie. Much more compelling and fascinating than any MCU solo effort or even Avengers 2 (and I don't hate MCU movies, not all of them at least). Actually it's not debatable. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, but using any measurable metric we have for movies, Apocalypse is considered subpar compared to its contemporaries. Debatable. It's just your opinion. LMAO. Metric? It's not quantum physics.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2019 20:56:51 GMT
Actually it's not debatable. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, but using any measurable metric we have for movies, Apocalypse is considered subpar compared to its contemporaries. Debatable. It's just your opinion. LMAO. Metric? It's not quantum physics. Nope, not just my opinion. In terms of critic reviews, viewer ratings and box office returns, it got lower numbers than majority of other superhero movies released within the same period range.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 11, 2019 21:03:55 GMT
Debatable. It's just your opinion. LMAO. Metric? It's not quantum physics. Nope, not just my opinion. In terms of critic reviews, viewer ratings and box office returns, it got lower numbers than majority of other superhero movies released within the same period range. That doesn't mean anything. LOL Even "Blade Runner" had the same problems (low box office, critics against) within the same period range (1982) - I'm not saying that "Apocalypse" is an "universal" masterpiece like "Blade Runner", but surely it's a superhero masterpiece. Oh, and it was a smash hit anyway at the box office.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Nov 11, 2019 21:05:02 GMT
Domestic Box Office $155,442,489 International Box Office $387,095,057 Worldwide Box Office $542,537,546
Home Market Performance
Est. Domestic DVD Sales $11,701,689 Est. Domestic Blu-ray Sales $21,743,533 Total Est. Domestic Video Sales $33,445,222
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2019 21:08:26 GMT
Nope, not just my opinion. In terms of critic reviews, viewer ratings and box office returns, it got lower numbers than majority of other superhero movies released within the same period range. That doesn't mean anything. LOL Even "Blade Runner" had the same problems (low box office, critics against) within the same period range (1982) - I'm not saying that "Apocalypse" is an "universal" masterpiece like "Blade Runner", but surely it's a superhero masterpiece. Oh, and it was a smash hit anyway at the box office. Of course it matters, as those are metrics used to judge whether a movie is good or not. If almost everyone thinks a movie is bad and only a few people (like yourself) consider it good, then it's considered a failure, since a movie's objective is to please the majority of its target audience which Apocalypse clearly failed to do so. So if you like it, good for you. Just know that that is simply your opinion. To the rest of the world, it's mediocre at best.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 11, 2019 21:15:20 GMT
It's funny people rag on this series, because the best ones are some of the most recent ones. There was a certain point where they gotta better as time went on. I love Logan and Days of Future Past. The best of the bunch imo. I really liked First Class, X1, and X2. The originals (of each series), but later ones surpassed them. I enjoy X3 and The Wolverine, but they are a notch below the best ones. Wolverine Origins is terrible. TERRIBLE. I didn't bother with Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix. The trailers and young replacements (the 2nd round, not the First Class crew) did nothing for me. The reviews didn't help either. I don't do Deadpool. I simply don't like the character. Because they're far too inconsistent. For every X2 you have an X3. For every DOFP you have an Apocalypse. For every Logan you have a Dark Phoenix. Now if their worst movies were a thing of the past and they seemed to be getting better as time progressed then people might have been willing to forget the bad movies. Unfortunately, both Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix we extremely recent, which just goes to show that they still don't know what they're doing. Dark Phoenix was an average movie that was mismarketed wildly. A lot of it’s criticisms were not very valid because they had nothing to do with its merits. A lot of people didn’t realize Jean was the protagonist despite how obvious it was.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 11, 2019 21:20:33 GMT
Because they're far too inconsistent. For every X2 you have an X3. For every DOFP you have an Apocalypse. For every Logan you have a Dark Phoenix. Now if their worst movies were a thing of the past and they seemed to be getting better as time progressed then people might have been willing to forget the bad movies. Unfortunately, both Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix we extremely recent, which just goes to show that they still don't know what they're doing. Dark Phoenix was an average movie that was mismarketed wildly. A lot of it’s criticisms were not very valid because they had nothing to do with its merits. A lot of people didn’t realize Jean was the protagonist despite how obvious it was. You could market it however way you wish, it won't change the fact that it simply wasn't that good a movie.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 11, 2019 21:23:21 GMT
Dark Phoenix...this is where it gets interesting. My expectations were so low of the franchise and the real world situation of Disney acquiring Fox meaning this would be their last outing liberated me from the obligation to treat it seriously. Therefore, surprise! I did not feel off put by this movie. I wouldn't call it good or high quality, but I enjoyed it more than the technically better Apocalypse.
Dark Phoenix is an all around better movie than Apocalypse. It has a cohesive narrative and structure with a clear vision, better effects and fight scenes.
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Post by scabab on Nov 11, 2019 21:26:43 GMT
X-Men 2 Deadpool X-Men Days of Future Past X-Men First Class Logan Deadpool 2 X-Men The Wolverine X-Men 3 X-Men Apocalypse X-Men Origins Wolverine
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 11, 2019 21:40:44 GMT
Dark Phoenix was an average movie that was mismarketed wildly. A lot of it’s criticisms were not very valid because they had nothing to do with its merits. A lot of people didn’t realize Jean was the protagonist despite how obvious it was. You could market it however way you wish, it won't change the fact that it simply wasn't that good a movie. I know it’s not that good. Hence why I said it was average in my previous post. It’s rushed and the cosmic element feels out of place tone-wise. I didn’t see the reviews before watching it but I knew what they were going for as I’ve read/watched tons of interviews for years now and didn’t think they did a bad job overall. I didn’t expected it to get a fresh rating but I was genuinely shocked at that 23%. Read over hundreds reviews and a lot of critics were confused about what this movie was going for and/or misread the basic plot.
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Post by bud47 on Nov 11, 2019 21:52:36 GMT
Dark Phoenix...this is where it gets interesting. My expectations were so low of the franchise and the real world situation of Disney acquiring Fox meaning this would be their last outing liberated me from the obligation to treat it seriously. Therefore, surprise! I did not feel off put by this movie. I wouldn't call it good or high quality, but I enjoyed it more than the technically better Apocalypse.
Dark Phoenix is an all around better movie than Apocalypse. It has a cohesive narrative and structure with a clear vision, better effects and fight scenes. Both films set a low bar. Dark Phoenix set it lower since it was done with an inexperienced director biting off more than he could chew and was produced by a studio that never had a clear vision or direction for the franchise and basically just said screw it. They ran out of gas long ago and were basically throwing things at the wall to see what would stick. The problem wasn't the marketing. It was the fact that they chose to adapt Dark Phoenix again in the first place, knowing full well that they could never do it justice with their limited imagination and lack of faith in the source material. They should have just called it quits with Logan and end things on a high note.
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