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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 11, 2019 19:50:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 20:07:44 GMT
MCU fans claimed that Steve Rogers had severe health problems.
I've never heard that before.
That's always the problem with these kinds of debates/arguments. They all seem to hinge on what someone said, MCU fans said this, so and so said that...not my responsibility.
I didn't even know he had any health problems. I thought he was just considered scrawny. MCU fans claimed Rogers had blah blah, how do I even know that's true?
In the past, I've said that Rogers couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other soldiers did. MCU fans on this board have repeatedly insisted that Rogers wasn't lazy but just had severe health problems. So I'm just going by what MCU fans on this board have posted. And if Steve Rogers did have severe health problems, then it's extremely selfish and not at all heroic for Rogers to want to join the Army since he would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles. Your jumping off point is still that MCU fans said this and that. It's like you think the criticisms are canon. I've never seen anyone argue Rogers had severe health problems and I didn't get it from the movie, so to me it looks like you're inventing their arguments for them and refuting that. That or you've heard it before somewhere, but then decided because someone said it, we all think it. That's what makes that argument dead in the water for me. MCU fans said this? No, I didn't.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 11, 2019 20:28:04 GMT
Leave it up to dcfan to pick Veterans Day to dis veterans with pre-existing health issues. What an asshole.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2019 21:33:49 GMT
In the past, I've said that Rogers couldn't get into the Army because he was too lazy to exercise and train like the other soldiers did. MCU fans on this board have repeatedly insisted that Rogers wasn't lazy but just had severe health problems. So I'm just going by what MCU fans on this board have posted. And if Steve Rogers did have severe health problems, then it's extremely selfish and not at all heroic for Rogers to want to join the Army since he would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles. I've never seen anyone argue Rogers had severe health problems and I didn't get it from the movie, so to me it looks like you're inventing their arguments for them and refuting that. Steve Rogers was a power-hungry tyrantjustanaveragejoe : "He had several medical problems." Chris Evans' favrite MCU scenejustanaveragejoe : "he wasn't lazy, he had a ton of health issues." poutinep : "He wasn't lazy, he had a bunch of health conditions which prevented him from getting big. This is part of his file from CA:TFA." Wonder Woman following a similar path as Captain America filmsGrabthar's Hammer : "He had multiple health problems that wouldn't allow him to join" True or False: Captain America EditionLord Death Man : "While Rogers is never seen exercising or working out, it's safe to assume that this "shortcut" was taken due to Roger's numerous health problems" Diana's thinking when facing Ares (spoiler)zoilus : "just shut the fuck up. . . . Cap wasn't just a 'skinny kid too lazy to workout.' He was sickly, he had a bunch of health conditions." I've never made anything up. As you can see in the links above, several MCU fans on this board have claimed that the reason Steve Rogers couldn't get into the Army was because he had severe health problems. A couple MCU fans even posted an image of Steve Roger's medical report. So I'm just asking the question (which MCU fans seem afraid to answer): If Steve Rogers had severe health problems, then why the fuck was he so selfish to want to join the Army and become a liability in the battlefield and put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles on the battlefield? That's extremely selfish and not heroic at all!
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Post by poutinep on Nov 11, 2019 21:53:33 GMT
I've never seen anyone argue Rogers had severe health problems and I didn't get it from the movie, so to me it looks like you're inventing their arguments for them and refuting that. Steve Rogers was a power-hungry tyrantjustanaveragejoe : "He had several medical problems." Chris Evans' favrite MCU scenejustanaveragejoe : "he wasn't lazy, he had a ton of health issues." poutinep : "He wasn't lazy, he had a bunch of health conditions which prevented him from getting big. This is part of his file from CA:TFA." Wonder Woman following a similar path as Captain America filmsGrabthar's Hammer : "He had multiple health problems that wouldn't allow him to join" True or False: Captain America EditionLord Death Man : "While Rogers is never seen exercising or working out, it's safe to assume that this "shortcut" was taken due to Roger's numerous health problems" Diana's thinking when facing Ares (spoiler)zoilus : "just shut the fuck up. . . . Cap wasn't just a 'skinny kid too lazy to workout.' He was sickly, he had a bunch of health conditions." I've never made anything up. As you can see in the links above, several MCU fans on this board have claimed that the reason Steve Rogers couldn't get into the Army was because he had severe health problems. A couple MCU fans even posted an image of Steve Roger's medical report. So I'm just asking the question (which MCU fans seem afraid to answer): If Steve Rogers had severe health problems, then why the fuck was he so selfish to want to join the Army and become a liability in the battlefield and put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles on the battlefield? That's extremely selfish and not heroic at all! That wasn't selfish, he was determined to contribute in whatever way he could and he was never going to stop trying. He wasn't insisting he be given any particular position or job in the military, he just wanted to be something. They could have accepted him and made him a cook or a mechanic or ...whatever the fuck Klinger was.
If you're going to quote multiple people and use their statements as your argument, why did you need to be told multiple times that Rogers wasn't lazy? Shouldn't you have stopped making the assertion that he was lazy the first time it was pointed out to you that he had health conditions?
You said on July 6th, 2017 that he was lazy, and were promptly told that he had health conditions... but then you again said he was too lazy to exercise on March 28th, 2019. Thank you for proving to us with relevant citations that you have a learn disability. Now, as 'zoilus' said, just shut the fuck up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 22:00:14 GMT
I've never seen anyone argue Rogers had severe health problems and I didn't get it from the movie, so to me it looks like you're inventing their arguments for them and refuting that. Steve Rogers was a power-hungry tyrantjustanaveragejoe : "He had several medical problems." Chris Evans' favrite MCU scenejustanaveragejoe : "he wasn't lazy, he had a ton of health issues." poutinep : "He wasn't lazy, he had a bunch of health conditions which prevented him from getting big. This is part of his file from CA:TFA." Wonder Woman following a similar path as Captain America filmsGrabthar's Hammer : "He had multiple health problems that wouldn't allow him to join" True or False: Captain America EditionLord Death Man : "While Rogers is never seen exercising or working out, it's safe to assume that this "shortcut" was taken due to Roger's numerous health problems" Diana's thinking when facing Ares (spoiler)zoilus : "just shut the fuck up. . . . Cap wasn't just a 'skinny kid too lazy to workout.' He was sickly, he had a bunch of health conditions." I've never made anything up. As you can see in the links above, several MCU fans on this board have claimed that the reason Steve Rogers couldn't get into the Army was because he had severe health problems. A couple MCU fans even posted an image of Steve Roger's medical report. So I'm just asking the question (which MCU fans seem afraid to answer): If Steve Rogers had severe health problems, then why the fuck was he so selfish to want to join the Army and become a liability in the battlefield and put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles on the battlefield? That's extremely selfish and not heroic at all! I guess I missed it. I don't remember Rogers being that worse for the wear. I knew he was scrawny and possibly asthmatic (I don't recall) but I sure didn't think he was on death's doorstep.
I suppose the logic would be to build up the pretense of how unfit to be a soldier he is so his transformation can provide contrast. As for why he wanted to join the army, I guess the answer is he wanted to make a difference. With or without knowing if he could, he wanted to so much that it trumped his judgment. It came on the heals of him losing his mother and having no one but Bucky. It also comes from a disposition of not letting one's weaknesses come at the expense of their strengths.
It doesn't just look good conceptually on paper. I thought Chris Evans did really well. He was clearly not about to be chosen to join the army for all the reasons that disqualified him before, but he ran into the scientist who felt people without the power won't take it for granted. It's been said throughout time if you want to test a man's character, give him power. One of the best decisions within that universe was that scientist's hunch this scrawny kid from Brooklyn was worth the most advanced serum ever developed.
A couple MCU fans even posted an image of Steve Roger's medical report.
That's very cute.
Regardless, he's not a brilliant man. He's a sad but cautiously optimistic mama's boy with no mama, no past, few characters in his life to live up to or disappoint, so he joined the army. In his mind, he was always saving people, rescuing people, helping people, then the experiment let his insides become his outsides and he matured into what he'd been all along. The man would rather be trying to get into the army for the umpteenth time instead of being on a date. He knows what his priorities are.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2019 22:32:26 GMT
Steve Rogers was a power-hungry tyrantjustanaveragejoe : "He had several medical problems." Chris Evans' favrite MCU scenejustanaveragejoe : "he wasn't lazy, he had a ton of health issues." poutinep : "He wasn't lazy, he had a bunch of health conditions which prevented him from getting big. This is part of his file from CA:TFA." Wonder Woman following a similar path as Captain America filmsGrabthar's Hammer : "He had multiple health problems that wouldn't allow him to join" True or False: Captain America EditionLord Death Man : "While Rogers is never seen exercising or working out, it's safe to assume that this "shortcut" was taken due to Roger's numerous health problems" Diana's thinking when facing Ares (spoiler)zoilus : "just shut the fuck up. . . . Cap wasn't just a 'skinny kid too lazy to workout.' He was sickly, he had a bunch of health conditions." I've never made anything up. As you can see in the links above, several MCU fans on this board have claimed that the reason Steve Rogers couldn't get into the Army was because he had severe health problems. A couple MCU fans even posted an image of Steve Roger's medical report. So I'm just asking the question (which MCU fans seem afraid to answer): If Steve Rogers had severe health problems, then why the fuck was he so selfish to want to join the Army and become a liability in the battlefield and put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles on the battlefield? That's extremely selfish and not heroic at all! That wasn't selfish That was selfish. Rogers was getting his ass kicked and Bucky had to step in and save him. Rogers couldn't fight his own battles. On the battlefield, he's a liability since his fellow soldiers would have to not only fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles. That puts his fellow soldiers at risk. It's no different than an athlete who is injured and can't play but insists on playing. He becomes a liability to the team. Likewise, Rogers' health problems make a liability on the battlefield so it was extremely selfish for Rogers to want to join the Army and put his fellow soldiers at risk. he was determined to contribute in whatever way he could and he was never going to stop trying. Then he should've sold war bonds or become a recruiter or do something else that doesn't put his fellow soldiers at risk. But Rogers was a selfish asshole who as willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 11, 2019 22:53:10 GMT
Steve Rogers was a power-hungry tyrantjustanaveragejoe : "He had several medical problems." Chris Evans' favrite MCU scenejustanaveragejoe : "he wasn't lazy, he had a ton of health issues." poutinep : "He wasn't lazy, he had a bunch of health conditions which prevented him from getting big. This is part of his file from CA:TFA." Wonder Woman following a similar path as Captain America filmsGrabthar's Hammer : "He had multiple health problems that wouldn't allow him to join" True or False: Captain America EditionLord Death Man : "While Rogers is never seen exercising or working out, it's safe to assume that this "shortcut" was taken due to Roger's numerous health problems" Diana's thinking when facing Ares (spoiler)zoilus : "just shut the fuck up. . . . Cap wasn't just a 'skinny kid too lazy to workout.' He was sickly, he had a bunch of health conditions." I've never made anything up. As you can see in the links above, several MCU fans on this board have claimed that the reason Steve Rogers couldn't get into the Army was because he had severe health problems. A couple MCU fans even posted an image of Steve Roger's medical report. So I'm just asking the question (which MCU fans seem afraid to answer): If Steve Rogers had severe health problems, then why the fuck was he so selfish to want to join the Army and become a liability in the battlefield and put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles on the battlefield? That's extremely selfish and not heroic at all! I guess the answer is he wanted to make a difference. If Rogers wanted to make a difference, he could've sold war bonds or become a recruiter or do something else that didn't put his fellow soldiers at risk. But Rogers was a selfish asshole who was willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk. With or without knowing if he could Rogers was getting his ass kicked until Bucky stepped him to stop the fight. So Rogers thought things would be different on the battlefield? Rogers thought he would be a skilled fighter on the battlefield and wouldn't need anyone to step in and save him? One of the best decisions within that universe was that scientist's hunch this scrawny kid from Brooklyn was worth the most advanced serum ever developed. And that's precisely why CA:TFA is such a bad movie. Because the scientist chose his super soldier to be someone who's so selfish and completely lacking in character that he was willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk. Anyone who's so selfish and completely lacking in character that they're willing to put their fellow soldiers at risk is definitely not worthy of being given a super soldier serum. And as later movies shown, I'm 100% correct that Steve Rogers wasn't worthy, based on the fact that after collecting a paycheck from the US government for being in the Army, Rogers refuses to sign the Accords claiming that the same US government that he was willing to collect paychecks from is corrupt and then aids and abets a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, basically saying to the American people "I don't believe in the justice system and I don't believe in the American people to make the right and just decision so I'm going to go back on the oath I took when I joined to Army to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and instead I'm just going to make myself sole judge and jury to decide guilt or innocence without any trial, exactly the way that a tyrant would do." Rogers isn't a hero but a selfish asshole who is completely lacking in character and not worthy of being given a super-soldier serum.
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Post by poutinep on Nov 11, 2019 22:59:00 GMT
That was selfish. Rogers was getting his ass kicked and Bucky had to step in and save him. Rogers couldn't fight his own battles. On the battlefield, he's a liability since his fellow soldiers would have to not only fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles. That puts his fellow soldiers at risk. It's no different than an athlete who is injured and can't play but insists on playing. He becomes a liability to the team. Likewise, Rogers' health problems make a liability on the battlefield so it was extremely selfish for Rogers to want to join the Army and put his fellow soldiers at risk. he was determined to contribute in whatever way he could and he was never going to stop trying. Then he should've sold war bonds or become a recruiter or do something else that doesn't put his fellow soldiers at risk. But Rogers was a selfish asshole who as willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk. you're the only idiot who says shit as dumb as the shit you say.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 11, 2019 22:59:38 GMT
This is the same guy who thinks X-Men: Dark Phoenix is a cinematic masterpiece, even though that film's "heroes" go murderous with very little explanations, especially Beast.
Just saying...
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Post by bud47 on Nov 11, 2019 23:27:57 GMT
Same old, same old... Nitpicking the MCU films over the smallest of details, making big issues out of nothing and a whole bunch of invented criticism for imaginary scenarios, all while giving DC, Fox and any other comic book film a free pass...because of the studio logo. Can't you come up with a new shtick? This one has gotten old, even with the long break.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 11, 2019 23:57:44 GMT
You shared this thread already months ago. No, I didn't. The thread a few months ago was about how it was ridiculous that MCU considers Bucky, a guy who strangled and injured and defenseless woman to death, to be a hero. This thread is about the selfish assholes like Bruce Banner, Peter Parker, and Steve Rogers that MCU considers to be "heroes". Liar.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 12, 2019 0:19:20 GMT
Leave it up to dcfan to pick Veterans Day to dis veterans with pre-existing health issues. What an asshole. Jeez, the pos is still at it! Imagine losing an argument and turning yourself into a pariah ... at the same time. Only dcfan.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 12, 2019 6:29:43 GMT
Steve Rogers was a power-hungry tyrantjustanaveragejoe : "He had several medical problems." Chris Evans' favrite MCU scenejustanaveragejoe : "he wasn't lazy, he had a ton of health issues." poutinep : "He wasn't lazy, he had a bunch of health conditions which prevented him from getting big. This is part of his file from CA:TFA." Wonder Woman following a similar path as Captain America filmsGrabthar's Hammer : "He had multiple health problems that wouldn't allow him to join" True or False: Captain America EditionLord Death Man : "While Rogers is never seen exercising or working out, it's safe to assume that this "shortcut" was taken due to Roger's numerous health problems" Diana's thinking when facing Ares (spoiler)zoilus : "just shut the fuck up. . . . Cap wasn't just a 'skinny kid too lazy to workout.' He was sickly, he had a bunch of health conditions." I've never made anything up. As you can see in the links above, several MCU fans on this board have claimed that the reason Steve Rogers couldn't get into the Army was because he had severe health problems. A couple MCU fans even posted an image of Steve Roger's medical report. So I'm just asking the question (which MCU fans seem afraid to answer): If Steve Rogers had severe health problems, then why the fuck was he so selfish to want to join the Army and become a liability in the battlefield and put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles on the battlefield? That's extremely selfish and not heroic at all! I guess I missed it. I don't remember Rogers being that worse for the wear. I knew he was scrawny and possibly asthmatic (I don't recall) but I sure didn't think he was on death's doorstep.
I suppose the logic would be to build up the pretense of how unfit to be a soldier he is so his transformation can provide contrast. As for why he wanted to join the army, I guess the answer is he wanted to make a difference. With or without knowing if he could, he wanted to so much that it trumped his judgment. It came on the heals of him losing his mother and having no one but Bucky. It also comes from a disposition of not letting one's weaknesses come at the expense of their strengths.
It doesn't just look good conceptually on paper. I thought Chris Evans did really well. He was clearly not about to be chosen to join the army for all the reasons that disqualified him before, but he ran into the scientist who felt people without the power won't take it for granted. It's been said throughout time if you want to test a man's character, give him power. One of the best decisions within that universe was that scientist's hunch this scrawny kid from Brooklyn was worth the most advanced serum ever developed.
A couple MCU fans even posted an image of Steve Roger's medical report.
That's very cute.
Regardless, he's not a brilliant man. He's a sad but cautiously optimistic mama's boy with no mama, no past, few characters in his life to live up to or disappoint, so he joined the army. In his mind, he was always saving people, rescuing people, helping people, then the experiment let his insides become his outsides and he matured into what he'd been all along. The man would rather be trying to get into the army for the umpteenth time instead of being on a date. He knows what his priorities are.
@cat DC-Fan - FYI
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 12, 2019 6:40:18 GMT
And the most selfish MCU "hero" of all: Steve Rogers.
1. Rogers wanted to join the Army but was too lazy to train and exercise like the other soldiers did. MCU fans try to defend Rogers with the excuse that Rogers wasn't lazy but had severe health problems. That excuse only proves that Rogers is a selfish asshole and no hero at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 18:32:49 GMT
I guess I missed it. I don't remember Rogers being that worse for the wear. I knew he was scrawny and possibly asthmatic (I don't recall) but I sure didn't think he was on death's doorstep.
I suppose the logic would be to build up the pretense of how unfit to be a soldier he is so his transformation can provide contrast. As for why he wanted to join the army, I guess the answer is he wanted to make a difference. With or without knowing if he could, he wanted to so much that it trumped his judgment. It came on the heals of him losing his mother and having no one but Bucky. It also comes from a disposition of not letting one's weaknesses come at the expense of their strengths.
It doesn't just look good conceptually on paper. I thought Chris Evans did really well. He was clearly not about to be chosen to join the army for all the reasons that disqualified him before, but he ran into the scientist who felt people without the power won't take it for granted. It's been said throughout time if you want to test a man's character, give him power. One of the best decisions within that universe was that scientist's hunch this scrawny kid from Brooklyn was worth the most advanced serum ever developed.
A couple MCU fans even posted an image of Steve Roger's medical report.
That's very cute.
Regardless, he's not a brilliant man. He's a sad but cautiously optimistic mama's boy with no mama, no past, few characters in his life to live up to or disappoint, so he joined the army. In his mind, he was always saving people, rescuing people, helping people, then the experiment let his insides become his outsides and he matured into what he'd been all along. The man would rather be trying to get into the army for the umpteenth time instead of being on a date. He knows what his priorities are.
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Wow, Cap really is messed up. Or was.
Heh, he was born on July 4th.
Very neat. I had no idea about this.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 12, 2019 21:30:57 GMT
This sort of negative spin can be applied to any movie ever made. But the OP thinks he is being oh so clever after spending countless hours watching movies he claims to hate in order to create straw man criticisms. But he isn't even smart enough to come up with any new ones so he just recycles the same ones over and over.
Pathetic.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 12, 2019 22:49:44 GMT
I'm always impressed by how dcfan finds new ways to beclown himself at every turn.
In this case he has revealed that every time he tried to argue that Steve Rogers was lazy, he got pwned by someone who pointed out that Rogers had medical issues.
This occurred multiple times over many threads, leaving dcfan befuddled and incapable of crafting any sort of rebuttal, apart from repeating himself as he fled from one thread to another. No need to look it up. dcfan does all the leg work for us in an earlier post.
Apparently, this has been bothering him for months. So, score additional pwnage to those who left him sputtering and seething all this time.
And now ... after much deliberation, dcfan has finally come up with a reply - by insulting all veterans with a preexisting medical problem. According to dcfan they are selfish and lack character. And he did it on Veterans Day.
Reminds me of the time he ran around mocking Stan Lee on multiple boards, right after he died. That sorry episode led to his self-imposed exile to avoid getting banned.
I think we have another winner with this thread.
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Post by poutinep on Nov 12, 2019 23:09:46 GMT
I'm always impressed by how dcfan finds new ways to beclown himself at every turn. In this case he has revealed that every time he tried to argue that Steve Rogers was lazy, he got pwned by someone who pointed out that Rogers had medical issues. This occurred multiple times over many threads, leaving dcfan befuddled and incapable of crafting any sort of rebuttal, apart from repeating himself as he fled from one thread to another. No need to look it up. dcfan does all the leg work for us in an earlier post. Apparently, this has been bothering him for months. So, score additional pwnage to those who left him sputtering and seething all this time. And now ... after much deliberation, dcfan has finally come up with a reply - by insulting all veterans with a preexisting medical problem. According to dcfan they are selfish and lack character. And he did it on Veterans Day. Reminds me of the time he ran around mocking Stan Lee on multiple boards, right after he died. That sorry episode led to his self-imposed exile to avoid getting banned. I think we have another winner with this thread. DC-Fan just got owned!
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Post by thenolan on Nov 13, 2019 2:15:53 GMT
MCU is too kiddie. they used to be guilty pleasure but it got too imatiure.
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