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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 14, 2019 2:36:29 GMT
Everything I wrote is true. He selfishly wanted to join the Army even though he knew he couldn't fight for himself and would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk. He aids and abets a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, resulting in a high-speed chase through a crowded street, which not only endangered the lives of law enforcement officers but also endangered the lives of civilians. Moreover, by aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, he forced law enforcement to spend valuable manpower and resources to try to track down and apprehend Bucky, which results in fewer law enforcement officers and resource for tracking down and apprehending other criminals and thus making it easier for other criminals to commit and get away with crimes against innocent people. And while Thor wasn't allowed to change history and warn his mother that she would be killed when Thor traveled back in time, Rogers changes history by hooking up with Peggy Carter and stealing Peggy Carter away from the mas she's supposed to marry and thus ensuring that Peggy Carter's children with the man she's supposed to marry will never be born. Steve Rogers isn't a hero but a selfish asshole who's always putting innocent lives in danger and who always wants to be in charge, like a tyrant. None of that was ever the case though. He didn't put his fellow soldiers at risk. He saved them. Clearly he can fight for himself or else he wouldn't have done those things. He was able to fight only AFTER he took the super-PED. But before he was given the super-PED, he was a skinny weakling who couldn't fight for himself and needed Bucky to step in and save him. Yet he selfishly wanted to join the Army knowing that he couldn't fight for himself and would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk. That was extremely selfish and lacking of any character. What's this about stealing Peggy? If he enters the timeline when she's single, her future history isn't written yet. He traveled back from 2023. In Civil War, Peggy Carter died after living about 7 decades after Rogers was frozen in ice in 1945 so Peggy Carter's history has already happened. By traveling back in time and stealing Peggy Carter away from the man she's supposed to marry, Rogers ensured that Peggy Carter's children with the man she's supposed to marry will never be born. Rogers' selfish actions have effectively wiped out those children from existence.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 2:49:36 GMT
None of that was ever the case though. He didn't put his fellow soldiers at risk. He saved them. Clearly he can fight for himself or else he wouldn't have done those things. He was able to fight only AFTER he took the super-PED. But before he was given the super-PED, he was a skinny weakling who couldn't fight for himself and needed Bucky to step in and save him. Yet he selfishly wanted to join the Army knowing that he couldn't fight for himself and would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk. That was extremely selfish and lacking of any character. What's this about stealing Peggy? If he enters the timeline when she's single, her future history isn't written yet. He traveled back from 2023. In Civil War, Peggy Carter died after living about 7 decades after Rogers was frozen in ice in 1945 so Peggy Carter's history has already happened. By traveling back in time and stealing Peggy Carter away from the man she's supposed to marry, Rogers ensured that Peggy Carter's children with the man she's supposed to marry will never be born. Rogers' selfish actions have effectively wiped out those children from existence. That's what matters most. He was never a liability on the battlefield. He went from being saved by Bucky in the alley to saving Bucky from the Nazis.
And Peggy's no one's to steal. She's her own woman and she chose him.
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Post by dazz on Nov 14, 2019 5:52:02 GMT
None of that was ever the case though. He didn't put his fellow soldiers at risk. He saved them. Clearly he can fight for himself or else he wouldn't have done those things. He was able to fight only AFTER he took the super-PED. But before he was given the super-PED, he was a skinny weakling who couldn't fight for himself and needed Bucky to step in and save him. Yet he selfishly wanted to join the Army knowing that he couldn't fight for himself and would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk. That was extremely selfish and lacking of any character. What's this about stealing Peggy? If he enters the timeline when she's single, her future history isn't written yet. He traveled back from 2023. In Civil War, Peggy Carter died after living about 7 decades after Rogers was frozen in ice in 1945 so Peggy Carter's history has already happened. By traveling back in time and stealing Peggy Carter away from the man she's supposed to marry, Rogers ensured that Peggy Carter's children with the man she's supposed to marry will never be born. Rogers' selfish actions have effectively wiped out those children from existence. Only person that's a liability around here is you mate, to the entire human race, if your personality wasn't so toxic to make the possibility you could ever find a mate even remotely achievable I would suggest you stick whatever passes for your cock and balls into a blender and hit frappe just to ensure future generations are not lumbered with your descendants and their own brand of mindless horseshit.
Also the Peggy bitch fit isn't even a possible thing in the MCU, they live in a multiverse, if Cap went back in time to the Peggy of his past and lived out his life it means that he was always meant to, she never had another hubby he stole her away from or kids he prevented from being born, Cap going back to her was a fixed event in history that we just didn't know about until the end of Endgame, or he went back to another timelines past where he married that Peggy and again it was always meant to happen in that timeline, and if you really want to bemoan the no existence of non-sired children then hate yourself forever and a day for all the urchins you most likely delivered into a Kleenex coffin by the millions...you fucking monster.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 18:45:53 GMT
I guess the answer is he wanted to make a difference. If Rogers wanted to make a difference, he could've sold war bonds or become a recruiter or do something else that didn't put his fellow soldiers at risk. But Rogers was a selfish asshole who was willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk. With or without knowing if he could Rogers was getting his ass kicked until Bucky stepped him to stop the fight. So Rogers thought things would be different on the battlefield? Rogers thought he would be a skilled fighter on the battlefield and wouldn't need anyone to step in and save him? One of the best decisions within that universe was that scientist's hunch this scrawny kid from Brooklyn was worth the most advanced serum ever developed. And that's precisely why CA:TFA is such a bad movie. Because the scientist chose his super soldier to be someone who's so selfish and completely lacking in character that he was willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk. Anyone who's so selfish and completely lacking in character that they're willing to put their fellow soldiers at risk is definitely not worthy of being given a super soldier serum. And as later movies shown, I'm 100% correct that Steve Rogers wasn't worthy, based on the fact that after collecting a paycheck from the US government for being in the Army, Rogers refuses to sign the Accords claiming that the same US government that he was willing to collect paychecks from is corrupt and then aids and abets a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, basically saying to the American people "I don't believe in the justice system and I don't believe in the American people to make the right and just decision so I'm going to go back on the oath I took when I joined to Army to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and instead I'm just going to make myself sole judge and jury to decide guilt or innocence without any trial, exactly the way that a tyrant would do." Rogers isn't a hero but a selfish asshole who is completely lacking in character and not worthy of being given a super-soldier serum. Too silly for words. Sorry.
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Post by Surly on Nov 15, 2019 23:41:27 GMT
The reason why I dislike MCU movies is because MCU doesn't know what it takes to be a true superhero. MCU's so-called "heroes" are always selfish and putting their own agendas ahead of everyone else and always unnecessarily putting innocent lives at risk. For example: Bruce Banner knew that the Hulk is a danger to civilians so Banner should've done everything he can to stay away from populated areas. But in The Incredible Hulk, Banner makes the selfish and reckless choice to go to the university during the daytime, when there are plenty of civilians around. MCU fans try to defend Banner's selfish and reckless choice with the excuse that Banner needed to get some data at the university. But Banner could've either 1) sent Betty Ross to the university to get the data he needed or 2) go to the university at night, when there wouldn't be many civilians around. But Banner chose to go to the university during the daytime and thus unnecessarily endanger many civilian lives. That was selfish and reckless and that's not what a true superhero should do. Another example: In Far From Home, Peter Parker knew that a fire monster would attack Prague similar to the water monster that attacked Venice. Uncle Ben was killed by a thief after Peter had a chance to stop the thief but took no action. Now Peter has a chance to warn the teachers to not take the class to Prague where they would be in danger from the imminent attack by the fire monster but once again Peter takes no action and just lets the class get tricked by SHIELD into going to Prague. That was selfish and irresponsible and that's not what a true superhero should do. And the most selfish MCU "hero" of all: Steve Rogers. 1. Rogers wanted to join the Army but was too lazy to train and exercise like the other soldiers did. MCU fans try to defend Rogers with the excuse that Rogers wasn't lazy but had severe health problems. That excuse only proves that Rogers is a selfish asshole and no hero at all.Rogers was a skinny weakling who was getting his ass kicked and needed Bucky to step in and save him. So if Rogers had such severe health problems that he couldn't fight his own battles and needed Bucky to save him, then why the fuck would Rogers want to join the Army and be in a situation on the battlefield where he can't fight against an enemy soldier and always need a fellow soldier to save him, which puts his fellow soldiers at risk since they not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles? That was selfish of Rogers to want to join the Army when he clearly wasn't able to fight his own battles and to put his fellow soldiers at risk.2. After the Avengers, under Rogers' command, recklessly chase Crossbones through a crowded market resulting in many civilians getting killed by a bomb, Rogers refuses to sign the Accords establishing oversight of the Avengers. When cops accidently kill civilians, they don't get to say "We refuse to have any oversight or be held accountable for our actions." There would be procedures put in place to prevent such tragedies from occurring again. Rogers had no problem with collecting a paycheck from the US government as a soldier in the US Army, but when the US government wants to establish oversight of the Avengers, Rogers tries to claim that the same US government that he had no problem collecting paychecks from is corrupt. But the real reason that Rogers refused to sign the Accords was because Rogers is a selfish asshole who wants to have unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight, basically like a tyrant.3. Rogers aids and abets a a double-murderer to flee from the authorities resulting in a dangerous chase through a crowded street and endangering the lives of law enforcement officers as well as civilians. That was selfish and reckless and that's not what a true superhero should do. 4. Rogers has a chance to bring Bucky in for trial and demonstrate to the people that he believes in the justice system and believes in the American people to make the right and just decision. But Rogers refuses to bring Bucky in and instead aids and abets Bucky to flee from the authorities and basically saying to the people "I don't believe in the justice system and don't believe in the American people to make the right and just decision so I'm going to be the sole judge and jury and I'm going to decide guilt or innocence without any need for a trial, exactly the way that a tyrant would do." MCU fans try to defend Bucky murdering two civilians and Rogers' aiding and abetting a double-murderer with the claim that Bucky was brainwashed. If so, then Rogers should've done what a true superhero should do and bring Bucky in for trial and let a jury of the people decide if brainwashing is a mitigating factor in the murder of two civilians. By claiming that Bucky should go free and not have to be put on trial because he was brainwashed, Rogers is saying that if a serial killer like Ted Bundy had claimed that he didn't have any friends when he was a child, then he should go free and not have to be put on trial. Basically, Rogers is saying that all a suspect has to do is come up with an excuse and then he should go free and not have to be put on trial.
MCU fans also try to defend Rogers' selfish and tyrannical actions with the excuse that Bucky wasn't getting a trial because Secretary of State Ross said there would be no trial. That's the STUPIDEST excuse ever!
Bucky murdered two civilians. Those crimes would be prosecuted by the state and not the federal government. Secretary Ross works for the federal government so he would have no say in whether or not the state puts Bucky on trial for the two murders. So Bucky was definitely getting a trial for the two murders, not in a federal court but in a state court.5. By refusing to bring Bucky in, Rogers forces law enforcement to spend valuable manpower and other resources to try to track down and apprehend Bucky. That leaves fewer law enforcement officers and resources available to track down and apprehend other criminals and protect and serve the public. So Rogers' selfish actions impede law enforcement and allow criminals a higher chance of committing and getting away with crimes against the public. 6. So when Thor travels back in time, Thor isn't allowed change history by warning his mother that she's going to be killed later that day. But when Rogers travels back in time, he changes history by hooking up with Peggy Carter and stealing her away from the man she's supposed to marry and thus ensuring that Peggy Carter's children with the man she's supposed to marry will never be born. Steve Rogers isn't a superhero but just an asshole who wants to have unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight and wants to be sole judge and jury to decide who's guilty or innocent without any trial, exactly like a tyrant.I stopped reading after fully reading.2 because your point about the Hulk is bogus and your first two points about Captain America are bogus. You’re logic is wrong. Now ask me why I can say that.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 16, 2019 3:44:12 GMT
The reason why I dislike MCU movies is because MCU doesn't know what it takes to be a true superhero. MCU's so-called "heroes" are always selfish and putting their own agendas ahead of everyone else and always unnecessarily putting innocent lives at risk. For example: Bruce Banner knew that the Hulk is a danger to civilians so Banner should've done everything he can to stay away from populated areas. But in The Incredible Hulk, Banner makes the selfish and reckless choice to go to the university during the daytime, when there are plenty of civilians around. MCU fans try to defend Banner's selfish and reckless choice with the excuse that Banner needed to get some data at the university. But Banner could've either 1) sent Betty Ross to the university to get the data he needed or 2) go to the university at night, when there wouldn't be many civilians around. But Banner chose to go to the university during the daytime and thus unnecessarily endanger many civilian lives. That was selfish and reckless and that's not what a true superhero should do. Another example: In Far From Home, Peter Parker knew that a fire monster would attack Prague similar to the water monster that attacked Venice. Uncle Ben was killed by a thief after Peter had a chance to stop the thief but took no action. Now Peter has a chance to warn the teachers to not take the class to Prague where they would be in danger from the imminent attack by the fire monster but once again Peter takes no action and just lets the class get tricked by SHIELD into going to Prague. That was selfish and irresponsible and that's not what a true superhero should do. And the most selfish MCU "hero" of all: Steve Rogers. 1. Rogers wanted to join the Army but was too lazy to train and exercise like the other soldiers did. MCU fans try to defend Rogers with the excuse that Rogers wasn't lazy but had severe health problems. That excuse only proves that Rogers is a selfish asshole and no hero at all.Rogers was a skinny weakling who was getting his ass kicked and needed Bucky to step in and save him. So if Rogers had such severe health problems that he couldn't fight his own battles and needed Bucky to save him, then why the fuck would Rogers want to join the Army and be in a situation on the battlefield where he can't fight against an enemy soldier and always need a fellow soldier to save him, which puts his fellow soldiers at risk since they not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles? That was selfish of Rogers to want to join the Army when he clearly wasn't able to fight his own battles and to put his fellow soldiers at risk.2. After the Avengers, under Rogers' command, recklessly chase Crossbones through a crowded market resulting in many civilians getting killed by a bomb, Rogers refuses to sign the Accords establishing oversight of the Avengers. When cops accidently kill civilians, they don't get to say "We refuse to have any oversight or be held accountable for our actions." There would be procedures put in place to prevent such tragedies from occurring again. Rogers had no problem with collecting a paycheck from the US government as a soldier in the US Army, but when the US government wants to establish oversight of the Avengers, Rogers tries to claim that the same US government that he had no problem collecting paychecks from is corrupt. But the real reason that Rogers refused to sign the Accords was because Rogers is a selfish asshole who wants to have unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight, basically like a tyrant.3. Rogers aids and abets a a double-murderer to flee from the authorities resulting in a dangerous chase through a crowded street and endangering the lives of law enforcement officers as well as civilians. That was selfish and reckless and that's not what a true superhero should do. 4. Rogers has a chance to bring Bucky in for trial and demonstrate to the people that he believes in the justice system and believes in the American people to make the right and just decision. But Rogers refuses to bring Bucky in and instead aids and abets Bucky to flee from the authorities and basically saying to the people "I don't believe in the justice system and don't believe in the American people to make the right and just decision so I'm going to be the sole judge and jury and I'm going to decide guilt or innocence without any need for a trial, exactly the way that a tyrant would do." MCU fans try to defend Bucky murdering two civilians and Rogers' aiding and abetting a double-murderer with the claim that Bucky was brainwashed. If so, then Rogers should've done what a true superhero should do and bring Bucky in for trial and let a jury of the people decide if brainwashing is a mitigating factor in the murder of two civilians. By claiming that Bucky should go free and not have to be put on trial because he was brainwashed, Rogers is saying that if a serial killer like Ted Bundy had claimed that he didn't have any friends when he was a child, then he should go free and not have to be put on trial. Basically, Rogers is saying that all a suspect has to do is come up with an excuse and then he should go free and not have to be put on trial.
MCU fans also try to defend Rogers' selfish and tyrannical actions with the excuse that Bucky wasn't getting a trial because Secretary of State Ross said there would be no trial. That's the STUPIDEST excuse ever!
Bucky murdered two civilians. Those crimes would be prosecuted by the state and not the federal government. Secretary Ross works for the federal government so he would have no say in whether or not the state puts Bucky on trial for the two murders. So Bucky was definitely getting a trial for the two murders, not in a federal court but in a state court.5. By refusing to bring Bucky in, Rogers forces law enforcement to spend valuable manpower and other resources to try to track down and apprehend Bucky. That leaves fewer law enforcement officers and resources available to track down and apprehend other criminals and protect and serve the public. So Rogers' selfish actions impede law enforcement and allow criminals a higher chance of committing and getting away with crimes against the public. 6. So when Thor travels back in time, Thor isn't allowed change history by warning his mother that she's going to be killed later that day. But when Rogers travels back in time, he changes history by hooking up with Peggy Carter and stealing her away from the man she's supposed to marry and thus ensuring that Peggy Carter's children with the man she's supposed to marry will never be born. Steve Rogers isn't a superhero but just an asshole who wants to have unlimited power without any restrictions or oversight and wants to be sole judge and jury to decide who's guilty or innocent without any trial, exactly like a tyrant.I stopped reading after fully reading.2 because your point about the Hulk is bogus and your first two points about Captain America are bogus. You’re logic is wrong. Now ask me why I can say that. My logic is accurate and my points about Bruce Banner and Steve Rogers being selfish assholes are 100% valid. You want me to ask so I'll ask: 1. Why the fuck was Bruce Banner so selfish to endanger civilian lives by going to the university during the day when there were plenty of civilians around instead of sending Betty Ross to the university or going to the university at night when there were fewer civilians around? 2. Why the fuck was Steve Rogers such a selfish asshole to want to join the Army even though he knew he couldn't fight and would be a huge liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles? 3. Why was Steve Rogers such a selfish asshole to aid and abet a double-murderer and endanger not only law enforcement officers but also civilians? 4. Why was Steve Rogers such a selfish asshole to help criminals commit and get away with crimes against innocent people?
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Post by Surly on Nov 16, 2019 8:42:03 GMT
I stopped reading after fully reading.2 because your point about the Hulk is bogus and your first two points about Captain America are bogus. You’re logic is wrong. Now ask me why I can say that. My logic is accurate and my points about Bruce Banner and Steve Rogers being selfish assholes are 100% valid. You want me to ask so I'll ask: 1. Why the fuck was Bruce Banner so selfish to endanger civilian lives by going to the university during the day when there were plenty of civilians around instead of sending Betty Ross to the university or going to the university at night when there were fewer civilians around? If you recall the story accurately Banner was trying to sneak in. He wasn’t trying to use Betty because Betty had constant surveillance on her from her father. If he had done what you suggested then it would’ve guaranteed what actually happened. As far as the whole “at night” thing? What was he going to do? Break in? And again, using Betty would’ve guaranteed he got caught. The film even showed (later) that Betty and Banners calls were being monitored. So his only option was to disguise himself and try to slip pass security with a pizza bribe. That isn’t selfish. Just a little misguided. You obviously don’t know what it’s really like for a person with a dream that is prevented by a chronic illness. A relative of mine had asthma all of their life. It prevented them from pursuing certain goals. But you don’t just resign and quit without trying. That’s letting the disease completely define you. That’s just not what people who have a lot of human spirit do. Even though he found out that he was sometimes a liability in boot camp, he was also the one who showed enough spirit and bravery to risk sacrificing himself when an ammunition problem went wrong. Hardly selfish. I didn’t read these points. And I’m not sure what you’re talking about unless you’re referring to Bucky/Winter Soldier.
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Post by sostie on Nov 16, 2019 12:57:56 GMT
I didn’t read these points. And I’m not sure what you’re talking about unless you’re referring to Bucky/Winter Soldier. Don't fret it. He's asked these questions before, and had answers yet keeps coming back with them because he is very self important Funnily enough he seems to forget his beloved DC films' lynch pins are an Uber mensch alien that will happily destroy a city while fighting one man, a billionaire law breaking vigilante, a woman who had the power to benefit mankind but decided to hideaway for a century and an incel psychopath clown
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 16, 2019 19:57:20 GMT
My logic is accurate and my points about Bruce Banner and Steve Rogers being selfish assholes are 100% valid. You want me to ask so I'll ask: 1. Why the fuck was Bruce Banner so selfish to endanger civilian lives by going to the university during the day when there were plenty of civilians around instead of sending Betty Ross to the university or going to the university at night when there were fewer civilians around? If you recall the story accurately Banner was trying to sneak in. That still doesn't explain why he had to go to the university during the day when there were plenty of civilians around. If he was going to sneak in, then it would've made more sense to sneak in at night when there are fewer people around. As far as the whole “at night” thing? What was he going to do? Break in? You just said he was trying to sneak into the university. So it makes no difference if he sneaks in or breaks in, he's still entering a location that he's not allowed to enter. So why the fuck was he so selfish to do it during the day when there were plenty of civilians around instead of doing at night when there were fewer people around? That isn’t selfish. Just a little misguided. You obviously don’t know what it’s really like for a person with a dream that is prevented by a chronic illness. A relative of mine had asthma all of their life. It prevented them from pursuing certain goals. Would your friend pursing his or her goals with a chronic illness put other lives at risk? Rogers wanting to join the Amry even though he knew he couldn't fight his own battles would put his fellow soldiers' lives at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles on the battlefield but also fight Rogers' battles on the battlefield. That was extremely selfish of Rogers and lacking in character to want to put his fellow soldiers' lives at risk. I didn’t read these points. And I’m not sure what you’re talking about unless you’re referring to Bucky/Winter Soldier. So basically you have no defense for Rogers aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the authorities and I the process: 1. Endanger the lives of law enforcement officers. 2. Endanger the lives of civilians. 3. Help other criminals to commit and get away with crimes against innocent people. That was extremely selfish of Rogers and isn't heroic at all.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 16, 2019 20:00:59 GMT
I didn’t read these points. And I’m not sure what you’re talking about unless you’re referring to Bucky/Winter Soldier. Don't fret it. He's asked these questions before And no one has given a answer as to why Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole that he: 1. Aided and abetted a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, denying justice to the people. 2. Endangered the lives of law enforcement officers. 3. Endangered the lives of civilians. 4. Helped other criminals to commit and get away with crimes against innocent people. DC films' lynch pins are an Uber mensch alien that will happily destroy a city while fighting one man, a billionaire law breaking vigilante, a woman who had the power to benefit mankind but decided to hideaway for a century and an incel psychopath clown This is the Marvel board and this thread is about the selfish assholes in MCU and doesn't have anything to do with DC. Why are you always trying to turn every thread into a Marvel vs DC war?
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Post by dazz on Nov 16, 2019 20:06:22 GMT
I didn’t read these points. And I’m not sure what you’re talking about unless you’re referring to Bucky/Winter Soldier. Don't fret it. He's asked these questions before, and had answers yet keeps coming back with them because he is very self important Well that and he's also too stupid to learn, I mean having a faulty opinion is one thing, but he always calls people the wrong thing, Bucky as a murderer for example, Bucky isn't a murderer, we never see Bucky choose to end another's life with malice under his own volition, DC-Fan seem incapable of understanding murder is a specific criminal act, not a catch all name for any type of killing, technically the crime committed would be manslaughter as Bucky neither acted with malice and he had diminished capacity due to being mind controlled, killer would be the accurate way to refer to Bucky as he has indeed killed, regardless of who or why, but DC-Fan is too mentally diminished himself to get this, same with he likes to refer to Cap as a dictator, clearly he doesn't know what the word means, but he uses it anyway probably to try and sound smart, sad thing is he misuses these words so often and so laughably it just makes him look even dumber than his already idiotic opinions paint him as, quite sad really.
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Post by dazz on Nov 16, 2019 20:19:44 GMT
Don't fret it. He's asked these questions before And no one has given a answer as to why Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole that he: 1. Aided and abetted a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, denying justice to the people. 2. Endangered the lives of law enforcement officers. 3. Endangered the lives of civilians. 4. Helped other criminals to commit and get away with crimes against innocent people. Everyone has answered these numerous times, here I will do it again.
1: Bucky wasn't going to be brought to justice but killed, Steve is told this explicitly, he was also trying o bring Bucky in alive himself, then once brought in he was outright told that Bucky's life was going to be used as leverage over Steve who was laughed at when he manetioned Bucky having a lawyer, making it clear Bucky would not receive fair treatment, as well as taking Bucky so they could prevent an entire squad of Hydra super soldiers being released onto the world rather than be bogged down by hours, days, weeks even months of political bullshit and grandstanding.
2: Cite an incident where he did this? closest I can think is during the attack on Bucky when Steve actually saved officers livers when they ineffectively attacked Bucky.
3: again cite an incident when he did this? you mean the chase on armed terrorist? really? does this mean EVERY ;aw enforcement or armed forces personnel are also guilty? I mean technically yes it endangered those civilians, but for the greater good, that sort of the point, anytime you try to arrest dangerous criminals the public is at risk, but less risk than if you were to leave said criminal or terrorist to do their business, they did after all steal a bio weapon which could be used to kill thousands if not millions, the risk vs. reward is one any agency or armed services would say justified those actions seeing as how they prevented a bio weapon being sold on the black market or used in a terrorist attack.
4: Cite a situation again, when did Steve help criminals commit crimes against innocent people, this one I cannot even guess the bullshit responsde you will have, you fucking simpleton.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 16, 2019 21:57:53 GMT
Yet you have no problem with Superman dangering civilians in downtown Smallville and again in the middle of Metropolis in his battle against Zod and his gang.
Or Batman being blood hungry maniac and wants to kill to Superman in BvS.
Or how Aquaman didn't want to save the world from Steppenwolf in Justice League.
Or Shazam dangering civilians in a shopping mall, one of the most crowded places in the world in battle against Sirvana.
That same Shazam who told his foster sister to go to college and get as far away from her family because families suck.
Once again, you've proved yourself to be a moron!
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 16, 2019 22:01:10 GMT
That's my point. MCU fans say that Steve Rogers had severe health problems. So the question is: If Rogers had such severe health problems, why the fuck was he so selfish to want to join the Army and become a liability on the battlefield and put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also have to save Rogers (similar to how Bucky saved Rogers when Rogers was getting his ass kicked at the beginning of The First Avenger)? Only an extremely selfish asshole with no character at all would be willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk like Rogers wanted to do. So remember kids, if you have severe health problems, but still want to help the world be a better place, don't. Because some moron on the internet thinks you're a selfish asshole and a liability if you try!
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 16, 2019 22:21:08 GMT
Bucky isn't a murderer, we never see Bucky choose to end another's life with malice under his own volition, You obviously didn't see the movie. Because the movie clearly showed Bucky choking an injured an defenseless woman to death. Was Bucky forced at gunpoint to choke her to death? No, so clearly Bucky acted of his own will to choke an injured and defenseless woman to death. That's not self-defense. That's not accident. That's not manslaughter. That's murder. technically the crime committed would be manslaughter as Bucky neither acted with malice and he had diminished capacity And as I've explained to you and other MCU fans hundreds of times, that's for a jury of the people to decide. But Steve Rogers didn't want a jury of the people to decide because Rogers wanted to be the sole judge and jury to decide who's innocent or guilty without any trial, exactly the way a tyrant does. same with he likes to refer to Cap as a dictator, clearly he doesn't know what the word means Someone who wants unlimited power without any oversight and who wants to be sole judge and jury to decide who's innocent or guilty without any trial definitely fit sthe description of a tyrant. And that's what Steve Rogers is.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 16, 2019 22:35:49 GMT
And no one has given a answer as to why Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole that he: 1. Aided and abetted a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, denying justice to the people. 2. Endangered the lives of law enforcement officers. 3. Endangered the lives of civilians. 4. Helped other criminals to commit and get away with crimes against innocent people. Everyone has answered these numerous times, here I will do it again.
1: Bucky wasn't going to be brought to justice but killed Which was proven false by the fact that the police arrested Bucky and didn't kill them when they ahd the opportunity to do so. So that BS excuse has already been debunked. Steve is told this explicitly Told by who? By Secretary of State Ross? A federal government employee who has no say in whether a D.A. decides to prosecute Bucky for murder, which would be tried in a state curt and not a federal court? was laughed at when he manetioned Bucky having a lawyer Again, laughed at by whom? By Secreatary of State Ross? Not by the D.A. who would prosecute the case against Bucky? Or by a federal judge who would order that the government grant Bucky his Constituional right to a lawyer? So in addition to being a tyrant, you're also saying that Steve Rogers is an idiot who doesn't know the U.S. Constitution and doesn't know how the US justice system works? 2: Cite an incident where he did this? 3: again cite an incident when he did this? Bucky's escape resulted in a high-speed chase through a crowded street. Any law enforcement officer can tell you that a high-speed chase through a crowded street not only endangers the lives of law enforcement officers but also endangers the lives of civilian bystanders. And did you forget the fact that Steve Rogers aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee also resulted in Rhodey falling and getting severely injured? 4: Cite a situation again, when did Steve help criminals commit crimes against innocent people When Steve Rogers aided and abetted a double-murderer to flee from the authorities and thereby in the process helped many other criminals commit and get away with crimes against innocent people.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 16, 2019 22:37:25 GMT
Yet you have no problem with Superman dangering civilians in downtown Smallville and again in the middle of Metropolis in his battle against Zod and his gang. Or Batman being blood hungry maniac and wants to kill to Superman in BvS. Or how Aquaman didn't want to save the world from Steppenwolf in Justice League. Or Shazam dangering civilians in a shopping mall, one of the most crowded places in the world in battle against Sirvana. That same Shazam who told his foster sister to go to college and get as far away from her family because families suck. Once again, you've proved yourself to be a moron! This board is the Marvel board and this thread is about the selfish assholes in MCU and has nothing to do with DC. Why are you always trying to turn every thread into a Marvel vs DC war?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 16, 2019 22:40:53 GMT
That's my point. MCU fans say that Steve Rogers had severe health problems. So the question is: If Rogers had such severe health problems, why the fuck was he so selfish to want to join the Army and become a liability on the battlefield and put his fellow soldiers at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also have to save Rogers (similar to how Bucky saved Rogers when Rogers was getting his ass kicked at the beginning of The First Avenger)? Only an extremely selfish asshole with no character at all would be willing to put his fellow soldiers at risk like Rogers wanted to do.So remember kids, if you have severe health problems, but still want to help the world be a better place, don't. Because some moron on the internet thinks you're a selfish asshole and a liability if you try! No one ever said Rogers couldn't help. In fact, I've specifically written that if he wanted to serve, he could sell war bonds or become a recruiter. That's not selfish. But what is selfish is wanting to join the Army when he knows he can't fight and would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield because his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles too. That's extremely selfish and there's nothing heroic about that.
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 16, 2019 22:44:13 GMT
But what is selfish is wanting to join the Army when he knows he can't fight and would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield because his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles too. That's extremely selfish and there's nothing heroic about that. lmao It is a very good point.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 16, 2019 23:39:20 GMT
Yet you have no problem with Superman dangering civilians in downtown Smallville and again in the middle of Metropolis in his battle against Zod and his gang. Or Batman being blood hungry maniac and wants to kill to Superman in BvS. Or how Aquaman didn't want to save the world from Steppenwolf in Justice League. Or Shazam dangering civilians in a shopping mall, one of the most crowded places in the world in battle against Sirvana. That same Shazam who told his foster sister to go to college and get as far away from her family because families suck. Once again, you've proved yourself to be a moron! This board is the Marvel board and this thread is about the selfish assholes in MCU and has nothing to do with DC. Why are you always trying to turn every thread into a Marvel vs DC war? Why do you want to pick a fight with every MCU fan and turn this board into the Anti-Marvel board?
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