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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 16, 2019 23:56:26 GMT
This board is the Marvel board and this thread is about the selfish assholes in MCU and has nothing to do with DC. Why are you always trying to turn every thread into a Marvel vs DC war? Why do you want to pick a fight with every MCU fan and turn this board into the Anti-Marvel board? I'm not picking any fight. I had an opinion about characters in MCU movies and I expressed my opinion on this board, which is for discussion about Marvel movies. Are you saying this isn't a discussion board where differing opinions about MCU movies are allowed and that only positive opinions about MCU movies are allowed on this board?
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Post by dazz on Nov 17, 2019 0:14:19 GMT
Everyone has answered these numerous times, here I will do it again.
1: Bucky wasn't going to be brought to justice but killed Which was proven false by the fact that the police arrested Bucky and didn't kill them when they ahd the opportunity to do so. So that BS excuse has already been debunked. Steve is told this explicitly Told by who? By Secretary of State Ross? A federal government employee who has no say in whether a D.A. decides to prosecute Bucky for murder, which would be tried in a state curt and not a federal court? was laughed at when he manetioned Bucky having a lawyer Again, laughed at by whom? By Secreatary of State Ross? Not by the D.A. who would prosecute the case against Bucky? Or by a federal judge who would order that the government grant Bucky his Constituional right to a lawyer? So in addition to being a tyrant, you're also saying that Steve Rogers is an idiot who doesn't know the U.S. Constitution and doesn't know how the US justice system works? 2: Cite an incident where he did this? 3: again cite an incident when he did this? Bucky's escape resulted in a high-speed chase through a crowded street. Any law enforcement officer can tell you that a high-speed chase through a crowded street not only endangers the lives of law enforcement officers but also endangers the lives of civilian bystanders. And did you forget the fact that Steve Rogers aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee also resulted in Rhodey falling and getting severely injured? 4: Cite a situation again, when did Steve help criminals commit crimes against innocent people When Steve Rogers aided and abetted a double-murderer to flee from the authorities and thereby in the process helped many other criminals commit and get away with crimes against innocent people. 1: No it isn't you dribbling idiot, no police that didn't want to be actually tried and convicted for murder would kill an unarmed man who was not resisting arrest in any way whilst in clear public view with dozens if not hundreds of people watching, also they already tried to kill him and T'Challa minutes earlier, as I have told you in the past the act of firing on someone without first ordering them to submit for arrest and then issuing a warning that they will be shot is in fact illegal, the police open fired without warning on Bucky and almost killed T'Challa as collateral in a 100% illegal breach of protocol, also no Ross didn't tell Steve Bucky would be killed on site, Sharon did relaying to Steve that the police were explicitly told to shoot on sight.
Also a DA wouldn't be doing shit you fucking idiot, none of these crimes Bucky is being chased for has anything to do with the DA, Bucky is being hunted for a terroristic attack on foreign soil, guess what you mental midget, the fucking American laws don't mean shit you stupid cunt, also what you don't think the 3rd highest ranked official in the US could bend the arm of the people below him? Also SOS Ross didn't state shit you fucking turnip brained cock gobbler, but CIA agent and deputy commander of the joint counter terrorist unit Everett Ross, the man likely to have issued the kill order on Bucky.
So the US constitution doesn't mean anything here you moronic sack of dog poop.
2 & 3: Steve wasn't helping Bucky escape you doofus he was simply trying to keep Bucky from being killed, he was actually trying to get Bucky to surrender and come in peacefully, by your logic any police officer who prevents another from murdering a suspect and said suspect then escapes aided and abetted a criminal, this is not only wrong it's fucking retarded.
Also he wasn't helping Bucky escape but trying to stop Zemo from unleashing an entire squad of Winter Soldiers on the world, as well as help clear Bucky's name for the false terrorist charges he was stuck with, but again only after Ross either Everett or Thunderbolt or both had already proven that they had no intention of giving Bucky a fair shake, and before you mention the DA and US constitutions and all that bullshit, keep in mind the US has illegally detained mere suspected terrorist indefinitely in the past, without trial in this millennium so it's not like it's unreasonable for Steve to believe those two couldn't be trusted.
4: In this regard EVERYONE aides criminals, the very act of existing means the police have to spend resources policing all of us, even those of us who do not commit crimes, we still have to be investigated, even when we have nothing to do with a crime, but we somehow get dragged into it somehow, which defers resources from investigating the real criminals, again you use words idiotically, a taxi driver who drives a man to the airport of the airline who flies him to a foreign country did not aid the man in fleeing the country if it turns out he just murdered 47 people, that requires intent, you know like how if someone lends their friend their car or lets them crash at theirs, if they do so knowing that person committed a crime they are aiding and abetting that person in evading capture, if they didn't but then tell the police what they did and what they know once they know that person committed a crime though the still gave shelter and supplies to the criminal they did so unknowingly and therefor did not aid and abet a crime, that requires intent which Steve never did, so shut up with this idiotic bullshit you fucking ignoramus.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 17, 2019 0:21:05 GMT
So remember kids, if you have severe health problems, but still want to help the world be a better place, don't. Because some moron on the internet thinks you're a selfish asshole and a liability if you try! No one ever said Rogers couldn't help. In fact, I've specifically written that if he wanted to serve, he could sell war bonds or become a recruiter. That's not selfish. But what is selfish is wanting to join the Army when he knows he can't fight and would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield because his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles too. That's extremely selfish and there's nothing heroic about that. Is DC-Fan even aware that some people actually committed suicide because they couldn’t join the military during that time period? If what I’ve read is correct, what Steve went through wasn’t all that uncommon.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 17, 2019 0:23:23 GMT
Why do you want to pick a fight with every MCU fan and turn this board into the Anti-Marvel board? I'm not picking any fight. I had an opinion about characters in MCU movies and I expressed my opinion on this board, which is for discussion about Marvel movies. Are you saying this isn't a discussion board where differing opinions about MCU movies are allowed and that only positive opinions about MCU movies are allowed on this board? That’s because you have a blatantly hostile intention to spread libels about MCU. Please, I would like you to explain how Steve trying to help a brainwashing victim is a bad thing while Beast going murderous in ‘X-Men: Dark Phoenix’ is not.
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Post by dazz on Nov 17, 2019 0:28:54 GMT
Bucky isn't a murderer, we never see Bucky choose to end another's life with malice under his own volition, You obviously didn't see the movie. Because the movie clearly showed Bucky choking an injured an defenseless woman to death. Was Bucky forced at gunpoint to choke her to death? No, so clearly Bucky acted of his own will to choke an injured and defenseless woman to death. That's not self-defense. That's not accident. That's not manslaughter. That's murder. technically the crime committed would be manslaughter as Bucky neither acted with malice and he had diminished capacity And as I've explained to you and other MCU fans hundreds of times, that's for a jury of the people to decide. But Steve Rogers didn't want a jury of the people to decide because Rogers wanted to be the sole judge and jury to decide who's innocent or guilty without any trial, exactly the way a tyrant does. I saw the movie and unlike you I understood it you dipshit, Bucky was under the control of Hydra who we have been shown routinely wiped his mind and had him brainwashed, he was not acting under his own volition hence he was incapable of committing the crime of murder himself, he committed manslaughter, and whilst yes in the real world a jury or judge would determine guilt or innocence, determined by place of the crime obviously, see other countries and cultures have slightly different rules, those that the US, UK and many modern societies follow do not extend to everywhere in the world, you ignorant prick.
But Bucky as we are shown, WE the audience know Bucky is being controlled, he is not in full control of his faculties, and hence has a diminished capacity, WE do not need a judge or jury to determine his guilt or innocence, therefor WE KNOW he is not a murderer, so you continuously labelling him as such just shows how fucking dumb you are, what you need a fictitious jury to pass a fictitious judgment on a fictitious character declaring him guilty or not before you stop calling him a murderer? are you really that fucking stupid?
Also Steve wanted to bring Bucky in alive is all, when done so he asked for Bucky to have a lawyer, not for Bucky to be released, Cap isn't a dictator, he's just a dick at times.
See that's the funny thing Steve has flaws, but you make up issues to bitch about rather than the glaringly obvious flaws to Steve as a character, and instead of altering your approach you just keep waffling on about the same made up issues over and over like a demented parrot, get a fucking clue you dipshit.
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Post by dazz on Nov 17, 2019 0:36:22 GMT
No one ever said Rogers couldn't help. In fact, I've specifically written that if he wanted to serve, he could sell war bonds or become a recruiter. That's not selfish. But what is selfish is wanting to join the Army when he knows he can't fight and would be a liability on the battlefield and would put his fellow soldiers at risk on the battlefield because his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles but also fight Rogers' battles too. That's extremely selfish and there's nothing heroic about that. Is DC-Fan even aware that some people actually committed suicide because they couldn’t join the military during that time period? If what I’ve read is correct, what Steve went through wasn’t all that uncommon. DC-Fan isn't aware that the US constitution means nothing in foreign countries, or that US state or district officials and laws have no jurisdiction or enforceable rights on foreign soil, hell he isn't even aware that intent is often a required element of many crimes, and he isn't aware what characters in the movie say or do what actions...DC-Fan doesn't know shit about anything, he's a window licking troglodyte who simply parrots complaints from other people, hence his inability to defend any point to really any criticism, hence his repetitive posts where he never counters actual points just restates the faulty arguments over and over again like a broken record.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 17, 2019 1:00:41 GMT
Which was proven false by the fact that the police arrested Bucky and didn't kill them when they ahd the opportunity to do so. So that BS excuse has already been debunked. Told by who? By Secretary of State Ross? A federal government employee who has no say in whether a D.A. decides to prosecute Bucky for murder, which would be tried in a state curt and not a federal court? Again, laughed at by whom? By Secreatary of State Ross? Not by the D.A. who would prosecute the case against Bucky? Or by a federal judge who would order that the government grant Bucky his Constituional right to a lawyer? So in addition to being a tyrant, you're also saying that Steve Rogers is an idiot who doesn't know the U.S. Constitution and doesn't know how the US justice system works? Bucky's escape resulted in a high-speed chase through a crowded street. Any law enforcement officer can tell you that a high-speed chase through a crowded street not only endangers the lives of law enforcement officers but also endangers the lives of civilian bystanders. And did you forget the fact that Steve Rogers aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee also resulted in Rhodey falling and getting severely injured? When Steve Rogers aided and abetted a double-murderer to flee from the authorities and thereby in the process helped many other criminals commit and get away with crimes against innocent people. what you don't think the 3rd highest ranked official in the US could bend the arm of the people below him? The D.A. doesn't report to the Secretary of State. Neither do federal judges. SOS Ross didn't state shit you fucking turnip brained cock gobbler, but CIA agent and deputy commander of the joint counter terrorist unit Everett Ross Is Everett Ross a D.A. or federal judge? So if the Director of the CIA says a murder suspect isn't getting his Constitutional right to a lawyer or a trial by jury, then that's the final say and who cares what the D.A. or a federal judge has to say about it? Steve wasn't helping Bucky escape you doofus Steve helped Bucky hijack a jet at the airport to escape capture. That's definitely helping Bucky to escape. Not the mention the fact that Steve helping Bucky to escape at the airport resulted in Rhodey falling and getting severely injured, just another example of Steve being a selfish asshole and not giving a shit about endangering innocent people's lives. they did so unknowingly and therefor did not aid and abet a crime, that requires intent which Steve never did, so shut up with this idiotic bullshit you fucking ignoramus. Rogers knew Bucky murdered the Starks. Roger also knew Bucky was a suspect in the bombing and was wanted for questioning in the bombing. So Rogers did knowingly aid and abet a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, and in the process not only endangered the lives of law enforcement officers as well as civilians but also helped many other criminals commit and get away with crimes against innocent people. And not to forget, also resulted in Rhodey falling and getting severely injured, just another example of Steve Rogers being a selfish asshole and not giving a shit about endangering innocent people's lives.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 17, 2019 1:05:45 GMT
I'm not picking any fight. I had an opinion about characters in MCU movies and I expressed my opinion on this board, which is for discussion about Marvel movies. Are you saying this isn't a discussion board where differing opinions about MCU movies are allowed and that only positive opinions about MCU movies are allowed on this board? That’s because you have a blatantly hostile intention to spread libels about MCU. Please, I would like you to explain how Steve trying to help a brainwashing victim is a bad thing while Beast going murderous in ‘X-Men: Dark Phoenix’ is not. 1st, I haven't spread any libel. I've just state what was shown in the movies. 2nd, if Steve wanted to help an alleged brainwashing victim, then bring in him peacefully so doctors can examine him and help him. How the fuck does it help an alleged brainwashing victim who already murdered 2 civilians to flee from the authorities, which would result in the alleged brainwashing victim being hunted by law enforcement, not to mention the fact that it would also endanger law enforcement officers as well as civilians and would also help other criminals commit and get away with crimes against innocent people?
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 17, 2019 1:11:19 GMT
You obviously didn't see the movie. Because the movie clearly showed Bucky choking an injured an defenseless woman to death. Was Bucky forced at gunpoint to choke her to death? No, so clearly Bucky acted of his own will to choke an injured and defenseless woman to death. That's not self-defense. That's not accident. That's not manslaughter. That's murder. And as I've explained to you and other MCU fans hundreds of times, that's for a jury of the people to decide. But Steve Rogers didn't want a jury of the people to decide because Rogers wanted to be the sole judge and jury to decide who's innocent or guilty without any trial, exactly the way a tyrant does. I saw the movie and unlike you I understood it you dipshit, Bucky was under the control of Hydra who we have been shown routinely wiped his mind and had him brainwashed, he was not acting under his own volition hence he was incapable of committing the crime of murder himself, he committed manslaughter And as I already explained to you a gazillion times (but you don't seem to comprehend), that's for a jury of the people to decide. Bucky can present his argument that he was brainwashed to a jury of the people, but it should be a jury of the people to decide since murder is a crime against the people. other countries and cultures have slightly different rules, those that the US, UK and many modern societies follow do not extend to everywhere in the world, you ignorant prick. What do other countries' rules have to do with this? Bucky murdered the Starks in the US so any murder charges against Bucky would be filed by a US court, not a foreign country's court.
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Post by dazz on Nov 17, 2019 1:14:17 GMT
what you don't think the 3rd highest ranked official in the US could bend the arm of the people below him? The D.A. doesn't report to the Secretary of State. Neither do federal judges. SOS Ross didn't state shit you fucking turnip brained cock gobbler, but CIA agent and deputy commander of the joint counter terrorist unit Everett Ross Is Everett Ross a D.A. or federal judge? So if the Director of the CIA says a murder suspect isn't getting his Constitutional right to a lawyer or a trial by jury, then that's the final say and who cares what the D.A. or a federal judge has to say about it? Steve wasn't helping Bucky escape you doofus Steve helped Bucky hijack a jet at the airport to escape capture. That's definitely helping Bucky to escape. Not the mention the fact that Steve helping Bucky to escape at the airport resulted in Rhodey falling and getting severely injured, just another example of Steve being a selfish asshole and not giving a shit about endangering innocent people's lives. they did so unknowingly and therefor did not aid and abet a crime, that requires intent which Steve never did, so shut up with this idiotic bullshit you fucking ignoramus. Rogers knew Bucky murdered the Starks. Roger also knew Bucky was a suspect in the bombing and was wanted for questioning in the bombing. So Rogers did knowingly aid and abet a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, and in the process not only endangered the lives of law enforcement officers as well as civilians but also helped many other criminals commit and get away with crimes against innocent people. And not to forget, also resulted in Rhodey falling and getting severely injured, just another example of Steve Rogers being a selfish asshole and not giving a shit about endangering innocent people's lives. You realise that by frankensteining a post to respond to out of what I actually said rather than the actual statements I made just make you look even a bigger dumb arse than you look for making the idiotic statements you initially made right, also shows intent, you clearly know you are talking bullshit or you wouldn't selectively crop my post's to respond to, you pitiful dingbat.
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Post by dazz on Nov 17, 2019 1:28:06 GMT
I saw the movie and unlike you I understood it you dipshit, Bucky was under the control of Hydra who we have been shown routinely wiped his mind and had him brainwashed, he was not acting under his own volition hence he was incapable of committing the crime of murder himself, he committed manslaughter And as I already explained to you a gazillion times (but you don't seem to comprehend), that's for a jury of the people to decide. Bucky can present his argument that he was brainwashed to a jury of the people, but it should be a jury of the people to decide since murder is a crime against the people. other countries and cultures have slightly different rules, those that the US, UK and many modern societies follow do not extend to everywhere in the world, you ignorant prick. What do other countries' rules have to do with this? Bucky murdered the Starks in the US so any murder charges against Bucky would be filed by a US court, not a foreign country's court. Well you keep going on about US laws this and that yet Bucky is not under arrest or suspicion of the Stark's death at all in this film, that has noting to do with anything happening, he is arrested under suspicion of committing a terroristic attack at the UN, the US constitution, US district or state DA's have nothing to do with this, yet you keep bringing them up, you seem unable to grasp the actual events of the film.
But again I ask do you need the movie to have an actual scene where it is written Bucky is found not guilty of murder for you to actually accept what the movie already shows you to be the truth? This isn't real life you moron, we actually know what happened and why it happened, we the audience do not need the movie to tell us if Bucky is guilty or not.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 17, 2019 1:37:30 GMT
That’s because you have a blatantly hostile intention to spread libels about MCU. Please, I would like you to explain how Steve trying to help a brainwashing victim is a bad thing while Beast going murderous in ‘X-Men: Dark Phoenix’ is not. 1st, I haven't spread any libel. I've just state what was shown in the movies. 2nd, if Steve wanted to help an alleged brainwashing victim, then bring in him peacefully so doctors can examine him and help him. How the fuck does it help an alleged brainwashing victim who already murdered 2 civilians to flee from the authorities, which would result in the alleged brainwashing victim being hunted by law enforcement, not to mention the fact that it would also endanger law enforcement officers as well as civilians and would also help other criminals commit and get away with crimes against innocent people? Partly because I’m not in the best shape right now, I will not bother to answer these diatribes.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 17, 2019 1:47:47 GMT
And as I already explained to you a gazillion times (but you don't seem to comprehend), that's for a jury of the people to decide. Bucky can present his argument that he was brainwashed to a jury of the people, but it should be a jury of the people to decide since murder is a crime against the people. What do other countries' rules have to do with this? Bucky murdered the Starks in the US so any murder charges against Bucky would be filed by a US court, not a foreign country's court. Well you keep going on about US laws this and that yet Bucky is not under arrest or suspicion of the Stark's death at all in this film, that has noting to do with anything happening, he is arrested under suspicion of committing a terroristic attack at the UN, the US constitution, US district or state DA's have nothing to do with this, yet you keep bringing them up, you seem unable to grasp the actual events of the film.
And yet, you claimed that CIA agent Everett Ross gave the alleged kill order and said there would be no trial. If US laws have nothing to do with it, then neither should a US spy who has no jurisdiction or authority in a foreign country. Heck, even Black Panther made no sense at all. Klaue is arrested by Korean cops on Korean soil, but is questioned by a US spy and a Wakandan national without any Korean official present? That's just another example of bad writing in MCU movies!
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 17, 2019 1:49:34 GMT
1st, I haven't spread any libel. I've just state what was shown in the movies. 2nd, if Steve wanted to help an alleged brainwashing victim, then bring in him peacefully so doctors can examine him and help him. How the fuck does it help an alleged brainwashing victim who already murdered 2 civilians to flee from the authorities, which would result in the alleged brainwashing victim being hunted by law enforcement, not to mention the fact that it would also endanger law enforcement officers as well as civilians and would also help other criminals commit and get away with crimes against innocent people?Partly because I’m not in the best shape right now, I will not bother to answer these diatribes. Basically, you have no answer for the fact that Steve Rogers isn't a hero but just a selfish asshole who doesn't give a shit about endangering innocent people's lives.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 17, 2019 1:57:39 GMT
Partly because I’m not in the best shape right now, I will not bother to answer these diatribes. Basically, you have no answer for the fact that Steve Rogers isn't a hero but just a selfish asshole who doesn't give a shit about endangering innocent people's lives. That's just in your little fucked up mind. There's no sense in rebutting against you, because you simply won't listen to reason.
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Post by dazz on Nov 17, 2019 3:02:50 GMT
Well you keep going on about US laws this and that yet Bucky is not under arrest or suspicion of the Stark's death at all in this film, that has noting to do with anything happening, he is arrested under suspicion of committing a terroristic attack at the UN, the US constitution, US district or state DA's have nothing to do with this, yet you keep bringing them up, you seem unable to grasp the actual events of the film.
And yet, you claimed that CIA agent Everett Ross gave the alleged kill order and said there would be no trial. If US laws have nothing to do with it, then neither should a US spy who has no jurisdiction or authority in a foreign country. Heck, even Black Panther made no sense at all. Klaue is arrested by Korean cops on Korean soil, but is questioned by a US spy and a Wakandan national without any Korean official present? That's just another example of bad writing in MCU movies! Yes because Everett Ross is the deputy commander of the joint counter terrorist unit, as in the people assigned under the UN to deal with the situation, key words in all of that are commander and joint, meaning he is a command position and he is in a position where he does infact have jurisdiction outside the US, and the forces sent to capture Bucky were under his orders.
See you do not get anything about this movie, or any movie for that matter, you babbling moron.
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Post by Surly on Nov 17, 2019 7:13:05 GMT
If you recall the story accurately Banner was trying to sneak in. That still doesn't explain why he had to go to the university during the day when there were plenty of civilians around. If he was going to sneak in, then it would've made more sense to sneak in at night when there are fewer people around. Because he could con his way in. Why not at night? Because he would have to break in. You just said he was trying to sneak into the university. So it makes no difference if he sneaks in or breaks in, he's still entering a location that he's not allowed to enter. So why the fuck was he so selfish to do it during the day when there were plenty of civilians around instead of doing at night when there were fewer people around? It actually makes a lot of difference. Like I said, he would have to break in. Now what do you think would’ve happened if he did? He gets arrested by the campus police, or he gets labeled as some campus perv trying to target someone at night, or he has to break in the campus building then break the lock on the lab as Banner. And that lab would probably have a night alarm on it. Any of these scenarios turning out to be safer or have better odds of working? No. So your “night break in” suggestion is a joke. You obviously haven’t thought that scenario through. Could you imagine how much worse that chaos would be at night? Would your friend pursing his or her goals with a chronic illness put other lives at risk? Rogers wanting to join the Amry even though he knew he couldn't fight his own battles would put his fellow soldiers' lives at risk since his fellow soldiers would not only have to fight their own battles on the battlefield but also fight Rogers' battles on the battlefield. That was extremely selfish of Rogers and lacking in character to want to put his fellow soldiers' lives at risk. And how would he know if he would be a risk? That’s why he tried boot camp. To answer those questions. People with illness/handicap issues try to take on lifesaving careers all of the time. Sometimes they fail. Sometimes they actually succeed. That’s why they’re given trial periods. To answer those questions. Nothing selfish about it pal. Somehow I get the feeling that if Rogers had quit the boot camp before that munitions accident - and all of those soldiers died because he wasn’t there - you’d be calling him a selfish quitter for that. And blaming him for the loss of their lives. Wouldn’t you? I didn’t read these points. And I’m not sure what you’re talking about unless you’re referring to Bucky/Winter Soldier. Like I said you didn’t elaborate so you’re jumping the gun about me not answering. I had to guess at what you might be talking about.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 17, 2019 7:25:48 GMT
Amazing how much time DC-Fan puts into these eye-rolling and intelligence insulting posts when they could've use it to do something more productive and beneficial to their sad little life.
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Post by sostie on Nov 17, 2019 15:46:33 GMT
Did a girl you like go off with a guy in a Captain America outfit at a costume party or something? I'm trying to work out where this psychosis stems from
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 17, 2019 16:33:58 GMT
And yet, you claimed that CIA agent Everett Ross gave the alleged kill order and said there would be no trial. If US laws have nothing to do with it, then neither should a US spy who has no jurisdiction or authority in a foreign country. Heck, even Black Panther made no sense at all. Klaue is arrested by Korean cops on Korean soil, but is questioned by a US spy and a Wakandan national without any Korean official present? That's just another example of bad writing in MCU movies! Yes because Everett Ross is the deputy commander of the joint counter terrorist unit, as in the people assigned under the UN to deal with the situation, key words in all of that are commander and joint, meaning he is a command position and he is in a position where he does infact have jurisdiction outside the US, and the forces sent to capture Bucky were under his orders.
Once again, you demonstrate your inconsistency and hypocrisy. You wrote "before you mention the DA and US constitutions and all that bullshit, keep in mind the US has illegally detained mere suspected terrorist indefinitely in the past, without trial in this millennium". If this is a UN operation in a foreign country and not a US operation, then what the fuck does the US detaining suspected terrorists indefinitely in the past have to do with anything?The fact that this is a UN (i.e. international) operation makes it even MORE LIKELY that Bucky will get a trial. Because international organizations like the UN love big trials because trials are what differentiates them from tyrants. Tyrants make the unilateral decision on who's innocent or guilty and don't give trials. The UN, which often opposes and sanctions tyrants, gives trials.
Ever heard of the Nuremberg trials? If they didn't deny Nazi war criminals a trial, then they're not going to deny Bucky a trial either. That's why the UN has an International Criminal Court. So like I said, if Bucky was charged with terrorism, he was getting a trial in an international court. And if Bucky was charged with the murder of the Starks, he was getting a trial in a state court in the US. Either way, Bucky was going to get his day in court and his opportunity to present his alleged "brainwashing" defense in court to a jury. But Steve Rogers didn't want Bucky to go on trial because Steve Rogers is a selfish asshole and power-hungry tyrant who wants to be the sole judge and jury to decide who's innocent or guilty without any trial, exactly the way that a tyrant does.
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