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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Apr 18, 2017 14:42:25 GMT
I mean the current iteration of the MCU - before the inevitable reboot with global recasting occurs.
My best guess is another decade - which is straight-up insane when you think about it. On the eve of GotG v2's release I see the same patterns emerging - gambling-addicted MCU fans with impossible expectations and anti-MCU coolers desperate to spook the table. Can we take ten more years of this fateful dance?
When I ask myself what if their next movie, whatever it may be, isn't a hit? The answer is so what? They can withsand it - probably several times over.
Can you stand another decade of MCU films as they are, true believer? Or are you clamoring for the inescapable rated R version of Thor set during the Viking age where Mjölnir gets used to literally bash in the brains of rival clansman. In this installment, the Thunder god, weary of millenia of drink and mayhem, must put aside his hard-partying ways to unite the human clans despite his father's non-interference edict.
Throw in some proto-Christian imagery and a few shots of the Odinson calling the thunder (and just the thunder, no CGI lightning in this gritty take) from a ridiculously high perch while brooding and you're done. Thor: The Iron Age (restricted: children under 29 not allowed).
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 18, 2017 14:59:23 GMT
I want Marvel to keep introducing new characters into the MCU. As much as I love them, we don't need 50 Iron Man or Captain America movies. I'm really looking forward to Captain Marvel and Black Panther, but that's the tip of the iceberg. Alpha Flight, a big screen iteration of the Defenders, new lineups on the Avengers going forward, etc. The possibilities are endless. I wish the Inhumans had gone to Netflix. Have we established who owns Namor?
More to your point, I'm fine with the tone of the MCU as it stands. I think they'll get a little darker over time, because the audience will demand it eventually. The important thing is not to be 'dark & gritty' for its own sake, to the detriment of the characters and the storytelling.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Apr 18, 2017 15:17:50 GMT
Have we established who owns Namor? I'm not certain. I really don't care to follow the politics of licensing and "ownership" all that closely. But make no mistake, Namor: The Savage Sub-Mariner will be the harbinger of a darker Marvel Cinematic Universe. I have no interest in seeing him introduced as a rank and file hero of the line. Namor is a complex character with lusts, rages, haughty entitlements and shifting allegiances. His only concern should be for the welfare of Atlantis and Atlanteans. And his introduction should see him launch a bold invasion of the surface world with his sights set on nothing short of world domination. He can be a hero after that. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 18, 2017 15:27:12 GMT
Agreed 100% with Namor. He's a goldmine of storytelling potential and should be the centerpiece of a film, maybe even a phase of MCU films. That's why I'm curious as to his rights. If Marvel can't use him, he's never going to get a proper treatment on screen.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 18, 2017 15:27:21 GMT
I mean the current iteration of the MCU - before the inevitable reboot with global recasting occurs. My best guess is another decade - which is straight-up insane when you think about it. On the eve of GotG v2's release I see the same patterns emerging - gambling-addicted MCU fans with impossible expectations and anti-MCU coolers desperate to spook the table. Can we take ten more years of this fateful dance? When I ask myself what if their next movie, whatever it may be, isn't a hit? The answer is so what? They can withsand it - probably several times over. Can you stand another decade of MCU films as they are, true believer? Or are you clamoring for the inescapable rated R version of Thor set during the Viking age where Mjölnir gets used to literally bash in the brains of rival clansman. In this installment, the Thunder god, weary of millenia of drink and mayhem, must put aside his hard-partying ways to unite the human clans despite his father's non-interference edict. Throw in some proto-Christian imagery and a few shots of the Odinson calling the thunder (and just the thunder, no CGI lightning in this gritty take) from a ridiculously high perch while brooding and your done. Thor: The Iron Age (restricted: children under 29 not allowed). I'm just enjoying what it is right now, and I don't think a reboot is inevitable. I think as long as they are going strong they'll keep this series up, and might even dabble in recasting eventually. We'll just have to see.
I'm honestly not even interesting in thinking about it. I am loving exactly what they have presented and wouldn't change a thing.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Apr 18, 2017 15:38:47 GMT
I mean the current iteration of the MCU - before the inevitable reboot with global recasting occurs. My best guess is another decade - which is straight-up insane when you think about it. On the eve of GotG v2's release I see the same patterns emerging - gambling-addicted MCU fans with impossible expectations and anti-MCU coolers desperate to spook the table. Can we take ten more years of this fateful dance? When I ask myself what if their next movie, whatever it may be, isn't a hit? The answer is so what? They can withsand it - probably several times over. Can you stand another decade of MCU films as they are, true believer? Or are you clamoring for the inescapable rated R version of Thor set during the Viking age where Mjölnir gets used to literally bash in the brains of rival clansman. In this installment, the Thunder god, weary of millenia of drink and mayhem, must put aside his hard-partying ways to unite the human clans despite his father's non-interference edict. Throw in some proto-Christian imagery and a few shots of the Odinson calling the thunder (and just the thunder, no CGI lightning in this gritty take) from a ridiculously high perch while brooding and your done. Thor: The Iron Age (restricted: children under 29 not allowed). I'm just enjoying what it is right now, and I don't think a reboot is inevitable. I think as long as they are going strong they'll keep this series up, and might even dabble in recasting eventually. We'll just have to see.
I'm honestly not even interesting in thinking about it. I am loving exactly what they have presented and wouldn't change a thing.
I'm inclined to agree with you however, I do think there is some room for improvement in the MCU. I also think that Marvel is thinking ahead to the eventual end of this saga and what a reboot or extended continuation might look like. They're nothing if not keen planners. SaveSave |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 18, 2017 17:24:40 GMT
I'm inclined to agree with you however, I do think there is some room for improvement in the MCU. I also think that Marvel is thinking ahead to the eventual end of this saga and what a reboot or extended continuation might look like. They're nothing if not keen planners. SaveSaveWell of course they're planning ahead, but that doesn't appear to include starting over any time soon. Phase 4 is going to be a big test, even if Infinity War is the greatest film ever, because they will have shot a massive load and the question will still remain, "where do they go from there" "can it be as good" "will interest fade regardless?"
And the answers are "we don't know", and neither do they. They're going to see what they have and make the best effort they can.
Regarding improvement. Of course, even great things can be improved, but there's nothing wrong with what they've got already. Which is why phase 3 is starting out better than anything they've done. They're improving, and I welcome that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 17:58:45 GMT
I have every faith they'll reach Phase 7 before the reboot is necessary. By then, the entire original cast and crew will be gone, though.
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Post by Jerk on Apr 18, 2017 18:03:11 GMT
To infinity and beyond.
It will be interesting to see if they ever do reboot the franchise. Especially since the movies don't follow a sliding timeline the way the comics do.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 18, 2017 18:21:54 GMT
Probably another ten years. Didn't they say they had plans up to 2030?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 18:50:27 GMT
Probably another ten years. Didn't they say they had plans up to 2030? 2028 actually. So Phase 4 & 5 basically. But there are other things to consider. I can't imagine Fox giving the Fantastic 4 another try. Those rights will come back to Marvel in a few years either because of lack of F4 movies or a negotiated deal. That will boost the MCU further. There is one problem also. Its getting harder and harder for the new MCU fans to catch up. So a reboot must happen in the end otherwise they will not 'catch' the next generation of movie go-ers. Maybe untill 2032 but then its done with this incarnation of the MCU. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 18, 2017 22:52:02 GMT
I wish Marvel and all superhero movies many years of prosperity. That being said, I think I'll be done after Infinity War.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 19, 2017 2:43:15 GMT
They'll keep going till the film's stop making money, same thing with Star Wars.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 3:55:45 GMT
I wish Marvel and all superhero movies many years of prosperity. That being said, I think I'll be done after Infinity War. Um.. why? |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Apr 19, 2017 4:04:47 GMT
I wish Marvel and all superhero movies many years of prosperity. That being said, I think I'll be done after Infinity War. Um.. why? Yeah, why? He's a dark horse, isn't he? SaveSave |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 19, 2017 4:20:52 GMT
Yeah, why? He's a dark horse, isn't he? SaveSaveI've actually had this conversation with my brother.
I think no matter how good Infinity War is, even if it's the greatest film of all time, there will be a major sense of finality to it, a completion of over a decade's worth of buildup, a commitment by all of the fans to support nearly 20 films and a dozens seasons of television, and phase 4 will not be as heavily watched as a result of a giant exhale by a certain portion of the viewing population. I just expect that to happen.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 19, 2017 4:32:48 GMT
As long as they're making Twinkies and canned tuna, they'll be cranking out MCU movies.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Apr 19, 2017 5:04:29 GMT
Yeah, why? He's a dark horse, isn't he? SaveSaveI've actually had this conversation with my brother.
I think no matter how good Infinity War is, even if it's the greatest film of all time, there will be a major sense of finality to it, a completion of over a decade's worth of buildup, a commitment by all of the fans to support nearly 20 films and a dozens seasons of television, and phase 4 will not be as heavily watched as a result of a giant exhale by a certain portion of the viewing population. I just expect that to happen.
That actually sounds nice. It's catharsis for fan-folk and a graceful way for the MCU to sunset. SaveSave |
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Post by TheHiawatha on Apr 19, 2017 5:39:50 GMT
I think honestly, it'll be years before the franchise "officially" reboots. They still have many characters and storylines to mine for material, and the franchise has so much built-in goodwill that it'd take probably 4 or 5 critically panned and/or fanbase-disliked movies in a row for the franchise to take a serious hit to where a reboot might have to happen.
I think any "rebooting" will probably be carried out in James Bond fashion starting with Phase 4, with characters exiting in and out afterwards. Each James Bond is played by a different actor tends to have his own continuity for the most part. But there may be some references, concepts, and wink-winks connecting to earlier Bonds, so the series might technically be connected even if it's supposed to be a quasi-reboot. You didn't have to see the Connery Bond flicks to understand Lazenby's Bond flick, but there were wink-winks to Connery's movies. And the Moore Bond flicks featured some Easter eggs from Connery's and Lazenby's Bond flicks, but his movies were pretty much self-contained otherwise. Craig's flicks have been their own continuity, but Judi Dench was kept as M from the Brosnan era.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 19, 2017 6:01:13 GMT
I think honestly, it'll be years before the franchise "officially" reboots. They still have many characters and storylines to mine for material, and the franchise has so much built-in goodwill that it'd take probably 4 or 5 critically panned and/or fanbase-disliked movies in a row for the franchise to take a serious hit to where a reboot might have to happen. I think any "rebooting" will probably be carried out in James Bond fashion starting with Phase 4, with characters exiting in and out afterwards. Each James Bond is played by a different actor tends to have his own continuity for the most part. But there may be some references, concepts, and wink-winks connecting to earlier Bonds, so the series might technically be connected even if it's supposed to be a quasi-reboot. You didn't have to see the Connery Bond flicks to understand Lazenby's Bond flick, but there were wink-winks to Connery's movies. And the Moore Bond flicks featured some Easter eggs from Connery's and Lazenby's Bond flicks, but his movies were pretty much self-contained otherwise. Craig's flicks have been their own continuity, but Judi Dench was kept as M from the Brosnan era. I had actually thought about this in the sense of them continuing on, but perhaps slipping into the sliding timescale idea, where characters just keep existing. |
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