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Post by Ass_E9 on Nov 14, 2019 18:23:32 GMT
Cap guns and water pistols.
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Post by dianachristensen on Nov 14, 2019 18:25:08 GMT
it seems that way, yes... now it makes me think: which one is the more hazardous behaviour? Well, over 400,000 deaths per year due to smoking related causes as compared to 40,000 due to firearms(that's all manner of death with all manner of firearms). Hell, you're more likely to be killed due to medical malpractice(approximately 500,000 deaths per year) than being killed by a firearm(14,000 homicides). Now, even in that 14,000+ homicide number, not all are murders. Self defense is considered a homicide. Over 500,000 crimes a year are prevented by personal firearms. I live literally 2 blocks from my local police department. If a home invasion ever occurred in my house and I called the police the moment I heard a noise, it could be several minutes before the police responded. I'm not gambling with the lives of my children based on minutes so I'm shooting first and asking questions later. On a different ProBoard, I was posting about gun violence in early August, after the Texas and Ohio shootings were in the same weekend, so I still have this at the ready: lawcenter.giffords.org/facts/gun-violence-statistics/
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Post by njcardfan on Nov 14, 2019 18:27:09 GMT
Oh, fun fact. The demagoguing over the AR-15 is just that, demagoguing. The number of deaths caused by rifles, that's all rifles and all manner of death(homicide, suicide, accidents, police action, etc.) amounts to on average of 320-330 deaths per year(most was about 400). That's roughly 1,000,000th of the population of the U.S. You stand a better chance of being beaten to death by someone's bare hands than by any rifle.
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Post by njcardfan on Nov 14, 2019 18:29:14 GMT
Well, over 400,000 deaths per year due to smoking related causes as compared to 40,000 due to firearms(that's all manner of death with all manner of firearms). Hell, you're more likely to be killed due to medical malpractice(approximately 500,000 deaths per year) than being killed by a firearm(14,000 homicides). Now, even in that 14,000+ homicide number, not all are murders. Self defense is considered a homicide. Over 500,000 crimes a year are prevented by personal firearms. I live literally 2 blocks from my local police department. If a home invasion ever occurred in my house and I called the police the moment I heard a noise, it could be several minutes before the police responded. I'm not gambling with the lives of my children based on minutes so I'm shooting first and asking questions later. On a different ProBoard, I was posting about gun violence in early August, after the Texas and Ohio shootings were in the same weekend, so I still have this at the ready: lawcenter.giffords.org/facts/gun-violence-statistics/ Do yourself a favor and don't rely on sites like the Gifford's site. I get my numbers directly from the CDC and the FBI crime report, not a political site like Giffords or Moms Demand Action. Notice how I don't cite the NRA and I'm a member. I get my info from the horses mouth. What Gifford's isn't going to tell you is that almost 100% of gun homicides are committed with illegally obtained guns. One of the dumbest things I ever heard is that the reason why gun crime is to bad in Chicago is because they are getting their guns in Indiana and using them in crimes. Um, OK.
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Post by dianachristensen on Nov 14, 2019 18:31:25 GMT
Which has been your favorite manufacturer? I have a 1969 Mossberg .22 rifle; I have better aim with it than anything, especially anything with a scope. I'm the opposite of you, not in which interest me, but more so just in that I've never had cause to use or try a handgun yet I've used rifles and shotguns for sport (not hunting just targets). What about a Desert Eagle? Are they all that and a bag of chips? I'm big on practicality. Small but effective is the way I go. Sure I'd love to own a Judge but I don't see those as practical. I used to own a S&W .357 mag which was intimidating and fun to shoot but the recoil takes too much time to recover from in case I missed. I've never shot a Desert Eagle. I'm looking to buy a Glock 43 which is a single stack 9mm as my 27 is a tad too bulky for proper concealment. Ha, no way! Are Desert Eagles nicknamed a Judge or is that for the whole family of guns in their range of caliber? What about a derringer? It's kind of amazing that there's such a thing as a .45 derringer, like DoubleTap .45ACP derringer.
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Post by dianachristensen on Nov 14, 2019 18:37:02 GMT
Cap guns and water pistols. I forgot about cap guns for a minute, those things were great! Did yours have the paper that ran through it for the little bit of gun powder? The ones now don't have that anymore, or at least there are some that don't. Poor kids. I had a great clear yellow plastic water pistol; I was pre-water ARs or whatever the big jobbies are.
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Post by Nora on Nov 14, 2019 18:45:41 GMT
it seems that way, yes... now it makes me think: which one is the more hazardous behaviour? Well, over 400,000 deaths per year due to smoking related causes as compared to 40,000 due to firearms(that's all manner of death with all manner of firearms). Hell, you're more likely to be killed due to medical malpractice(approximately 500,000 deaths per year) than being killed by a firearm(14,000 homicides). Now, even in that 14,000+ homicide number, not all are murders. Self defense is considered a homicide. Over 500,000 crimes a year are prevented by personal firearms. I live literally 2 blocks from my local police department. If a home invasion ever occurred in my house and I called the police the moment I heard a noise, it could be several minutes before the police responded. I'm not gambling with the lives of my children based on minutes so I'm shooting first and asking questions later. while I don’t want to question the power of comparing numbers, the home invasion argument only works if you are lucky enough to be a) awake and b) close to your gun when it happened. Which is less often than one would like. Home invasion happened in my house and gun would have been useless. Which doesn’t mean it would always be useless of course. I guess I am just slightly opposed to civilians owning guns since I feel it contributes to the overall problem, but I recognize why people in the US might feel they need to have guns since the crime rates and especially violent crimes are so high here... (compared to Europe for example).
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Post by Ass_E9 on Nov 14, 2019 18:46:11 GMT
Cap guns and water pistols. I forgot about cap guns for a minute, those things were great! Did yours have the paper that ran through it for the little bit of gun powder? The ones now don't have that anymore, or at least there are some that don't. Poor kids. I had a great clear yellow plastic water pistol; I was pre-water ARs or whatever the big jobbies are.Yes, I believe I had one that you could feed a small roll of paper with dots of gunpowder embedded which enabled continuous firing. I may have won one or more water pistols at various fairs.
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Post by mikef6 on Nov 14, 2019 18:46:28 GMT
I, too, grew up in a home of hunting rifles and had military training, but haven't laid hands on a firearm for near 40 years now.
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Post by njcardfan on Nov 14, 2019 19:06:20 GMT
Well, over 400,000 deaths per year due to smoking related causes as compared to 40,000 due to firearms(that's all manner of death with all manner of firearms). Hell, you're more likely to be killed due to medical malpractice(approximately 500,000 deaths per year) than being killed by a firearm(14,000 homicides). Now, even in that 14,000+ homicide number, not all are murders. Self defense is considered a homicide. Over 500,000 crimes a year are prevented by personal firearms. I live literally 2 blocks from my local police department. If a home invasion ever occurred in my house and I called the police the moment I heard a noise, it could be several minutes before the police responded. I'm not gambling with the lives of my children based on minutes so I'm shooting first and asking questions later. while I don’t want to question the power of comparing numbers, the home invasion argument only works if you are lucky enough to be a) awake and b) close to your gun when it happened. Which is less often than one would like. Home invasion happened in my house and gun would have been useless. Which doesn’t mean it would always be useless of course. I guess I am just slightly opposed to civilians owning guns since I feel it contributes to the overall problem, but I recognize why people in the US might feel they need to have guns since the crime rates and especially violent crimes are so high here... (compared to Europe for example). Actually, privately owned firearms prevent more crime than most people know because the media refuses to report on it because it doesn't fir their narrative. Also, as I pointed out, most gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained firearms so the only people hurt by strict gun laws are law abiding citizens. Why? Because criminals don't obey the law. That's what makes them criminals. As for home invasions, you stand a better chance of survival with a firearm than without.
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Post by Catman on Nov 14, 2019 19:32:04 GMT
Yes.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Nov 14, 2019 19:38:41 GMT
I'm in law enforcement so yeah, I'm required to fire a gun. 2 different handguns: HK full size .40 cal but we're transitioning to the S&W MMP 9mm(big difference from a .40 cal). Then we qualify with the Mossberg 12 gauge tactical shotgun and a rifle who's name escapes me at the moment. My personal firearms are a Glock 19 9mm, Glock 27 .40 cal(my off duty weapon), Mossberg 12 gauge tactical shotgun, Mossberg 702 Plinkster .22, and a Hi-Point 9mm carbine rifle. Nothing fancy. The Plinkster is for fun. I plan on buying an AR-15 at some point. I don't hunt so hunting rifles and shotguns do not interest me and IMO are impractical for home defense. Aside from a firearm that you may be required to carry as part of your job while on the job, why all the guns? I had a crapload of them after my father died, and couldn't figure out one reason why I would NEED one, or really WANT to have one. I know how to handle firearms; just don't see that, since I'm not in law enforcement or the military, and I don't hunt, why I would have one.
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Post by Nora on Nov 14, 2019 19:52:44 GMT
while I don’t want to question the power of comparing numbers, the home invasion argument only works if you are lucky enough to be a) awake and b) close to your gun when it happened. Which is less often than one would like. Home invasion happened in my house and gun would have been useless. Which doesn’t mean it would always be useless of course. I guess I am just slightly opposed to civilians owning guns since I feel it contributes to the overall problem, but I recognize why people in the US might feel they need to have guns since the crime rates and especially violent crimes are so high here... (compared to Europe for example). Actually, privately owned firearms prevent more crime than most people know because the media refuses to report on it because it doesn't fir their narrative. Also, as I pointed out, most gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained firearms so the only people hurt by strict gun laws are law abiding citizens. Why? Because criminals don't obey the law. That's what makes them criminals. As for home invasions, you stand a better chance of survival with a firearm than without. I also worked for the law enforcement so whatever media conspiracy you are refering to (which may or may not exist) is pretty much irrelevant to me since I could see the real numbers (reported to law enforcement). But I dont mean to dispute your feeling on why guns are needed and furthermore I really do understand why people in the US feel they need guns. And I myself am more inclined to own a gun here than I ever was in europe. But the world is not just the US and there are things to analyze and learn from in other societies as well . ;-)
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Nov 14, 2019 20:24:30 GMT
Not since I was a kid and my uncle let me shoot bottles with his .22 rifle. Got a kick out of it, but haven't had any desire to since then.
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Post by ck100 on Nov 14, 2019 23:02:04 GMT
Yes. I have family out in Arizona and when I last visited them we went out to the desert and fired off a few guns at some targets. I fired a few different sized guns and it takes a little use to get to the recoil.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Nov 15, 2019 0:08:28 GMT
Funny you should ask. I had my very first experience with guns just last week. I was doing a job in the USA (I am from Canada) and the guys I was working with mentioned a shooting range where I could rent guns for 15$. I thought it could be an interesting experience so I went there. I am glad I did it once but it's unlikely I will ever want to do it again.
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 15, 2019 0:18:10 GMT
No but we don’t do that sort of thing in the UK.
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Post by dianachristensen on Nov 15, 2019 0:41:37 GMT
No but we don’t do that sort of thing in the UK. But you've fired a spy umbrella ?
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Post by marianne48 on Nov 15, 2019 1:01:24 GMT
I've never even touched a gun, and have little desire to. As far as I know, no one in my extended family, except for those who served in the military or are currently in law enforcement, has ever fired one either; no one in my family hunts, and no one keeps weapons in the house. One exception--I had a female relative who was shot several times by a mentally deranged husband (she survived; she even took him back!!) For all the posts claiming that this is a U.S. thing, this relative and her spouse lived on a different continent altogether.
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Post by Marv on Nov 15, 2019 1:34:23 GMT
Yes...handguns, rifles, shotguns...nothing too crazy.
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