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Post by šJan El SeƱorš on Nov 16, 2019 20:44:24 GMT
....can put out some above average Star Wars content. The rest of their content ranges from "meh" ( TFA and TLJ) to bad ( Solo). But R1 and The Mandalorian are some of the best onscreen Star Wars content yet! There's still hope!   |
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Nov 20, 2019 17:07:00 GMT
I haven't seen The Mandalorian yet but Rogue One is the biggest pile of garbage on the entire Disney pile of Star Wars garbage.
My take is that if you accept Rogue One you have no credibility to make any criticism of TLJ.
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Post by darkpast on Nov 20, 2019 17:36:33 GMT
Neither of those are gaining new fans, Star Wars should try to attract new audiences to survive
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 20, 2019 17:40:59 GMT
I haven't seen The Mandalorian yet but Rogue One is the biggest pile of garbage on the entire Disney pile of Star Wars garbage. My take is that if you accept Rogue One you have no credibility to make any criticism of TLJ. As far as I can tell, the reason people bash TLJ but give RO a pass is because RO has no real impact on the legacy of the OT. Itās pretty much a disposable side story that kills off a bunch of characters who fans have no real connection to, so itās seen as an inoffensive entry in the franchise. Oh, and it also has a ābadassā scene with Darth Vader in it, so thatās obviously a plus to the people who want to see some fan service. I agree that itās a pretty lousy movie, but I guess that if some people just want to see a darker Star Wars film that still has plenty of fan service, itās probably the movie for them.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Nov 20, 2019 18:02:03 GMT
As far as I can tell, the reason people bash TLJ but give RO a pass is because RO has no real impact on the legacy of the OT. Itās pretty much a disposable side story that kills off a bunch of characters who fans have no real connection to, so itās seen as an inoffensive entry in the franchise. Oh, and it also has a ābadassā scene with Darth Vader in it, so thatās obviously a plus to the people who want to see some fan service.Ā I agree that itās a pretty lousy movie, but I guess that if some people just want to see a darker Star Wars film that still has plenty of fan service, itās probably the movie for them.Ā See that's what I don't get - Rogue One as far as I can see takes a steaming dump on BOTH the OT and the PT. In order to accept it you've got to reduce the wee insect guys from AOTC to not actually planning / developing the Death Star as a weapon. You have to make Dooku / Palpatine's shady dealings with them as just because they were... REALLY good spherical space station designers š And then from the OT side you've got to accept the rebel plans not actually getting beamed aboard the Tantive IV & yeah, that Vader scene, when ten minutes later or whatever he's back to being more regally in control. He basically goes from Daniel Craig thug Bond to Roger Moore charming Bond for absolutely no reason. So I say if you're not going to complain about that continuity and give Rogue One a pass, you're on pretty shaky ground complaining about Luke's character / Rey's abilities / Yoda's beyond the grave physical powers / light speed ramming in TLJ. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 20, 2019 18:38:15 GMT
Vader killing all those rebels made no sense. Why bother using stormtroopers if he is going to kill nobodies for kicks. It's very fan filmish.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 20, 2019 20:08:48 GMT
As far as I can tell, the reason people bash TLJ but give RO a pass is because RO has no real impact on the legacy of the OT. Itās pretty much a disposable side story that kills off a bunch of characters who fans have no real connection to, so itās seen as an inoffensive entry in the franchise. Oh, and it also has a ābadassā scene with Darth Vader in it, so thatās obviously a plus to the people who want to see some fan service. I agree that itās a pretty lousy movie, but I guess that if some people just want to see a darker Star Wars film that still has plenty of fan service, itās probably the movie for them. See that's what I don't get - Rogue One as far as I can see takes a steaming dump on BOTH the OT and the PT. In order to accept it you've got to reduce the wee insect guys from AOTC to not actually planning / developing the Death Star as a weapon. You have to make Dooku / Palpatine's shady dealings with them as just because they were... REALLY good spherical space station designers š And then from the OT side you've got to accept the rebel plans not actually getting beamed aboard the Tantive IV & yeah, that Vader scene, when ten minutes later or whatever he's back to being more regally in control. He basically goes from Daniel Craig thug Bond to Roger Moore charming Bond for absolutely no reason. So I say if you're not going to complain about that continuity and give Rogue One a pass, you're on pretty shaky ground complaining about Luke's character / Rey's abilities / Yoda's beyond the grave physical powers / light speed ramming in TLJ. I love Rogue One, minus the Vader stuff. It was unnecessary. The whole film was unnecessary, fair enough, but I still enjoyed it. Rogue One is a great one off war story that happens to take place in the Star Wars universe. I almost take it as an alternate Star Wars reality story. It's a great movie if you don't get caught in the details of trying to fit every line of dialog into the established canon. TLJ is just a shitty movie, period. If it had nothing to do with Star Wars canon whatsoever, it'd still be an unfunny parody.
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Post by hobowar on Nov 20, 2019 21:00:49 GMT
Neither of those are gaining new fans, Star Wars should try to attract new audiences to survive This is why Last Jedi is the only good one.
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Post by darkpast on Nov 20, 2019 21:57:50 GMT
Neither of those are gaining new fans, Star Wars should try to attract new audiences to survive This is why Last Jedi is the only good one. it killed the franchise, but now they need new and good characters, Rose sucks |
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Post by shinnickneth on Nov 20, 2019 22:07:18 GMT
it killed the franchise, but now they need new and good characters, Rose sucks I think it's safe to say these new ST characters won't be coming back in 30 years for a new trilogy. They couldn't even hold the ST up on their own, which is why Disney has to rely on bringing back Lucas' characters (i.e. Wedge, Lando, and Palpatine for 9).
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Nov 21, 2019 9:06:28 GMT
See that's what I don't get - Rogue One as far as I can see takes a steaming dump on BOTH the OT and the PT. In order to accept it you've got to reduce the wee insect guys from AOTC to not actually planning / developing the Death Star as a weapon. You have to make Dooku / Palpatine's shady dealings with them as just because they were... REALLY good spherical space station designers š And then from the OT side you've got to accept the rebel plans not actually getting beamed aboard the Tantive IV & yeah, that Vader scene, when ten minutes later or whatever he's back to being more regally in control. He basically goes from Daniel Craig thug Bond to Roger Moore charming Bond for absolutely no reason. So I say if you're not going to complain about that continuity and give Rogue One a pass, you're on pretty shaky ground complaining about Luke's character / Rey's abilities / Yoda's beyond the grave physical powers / light speed ramming in TLJ. I love Rogue One, minus the Vader stuff.Ā It was unnecessary.Ā The whole film was unnecessary, fair enough, but I still enjoyed it.Ā Rogue One is a great one off war story that happens to take place in the Star Wars universe.Ā I almost take it as an alternate Star Wars reality story.Ā It's a great movie if you don't get caught in the details of trying to fit every line of dialog into the established canon.Ā TLJ is just a shitty movie, period.Ā If it had nothing to do with Star Wars canon whatsoever, it'd still be an unfunny parody. Ā Ā Ā Ā I would agree that Rogue One was a good looking movie and fit the Star Wars aesthetics. But was TLJ really so bad in that regard? I mean the Canto Bling (or whatever) side story was ridiculous but the actual look of it and the characters they were ok weren't they? And who could other than revel in the beauty of that ironing scene š |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 21, 2019 12:42:39 GMT
I love Rogue One, minus the Vader stuff. It was unnecessary. The whole film was unnecessary, fair enough, but I still enjoyed it. Rogue One is a great one off war story that happens to take place in the Star Wars universe. I almost take it as an alternate Star Wars reality story. It's a great movie if you don't get caught in the details of trying to fit every line of dialog into the established canon. TLJ is just a shitty movie, period. If it had nothing to do with Star Wars canon whatsoever, it'd still be an unfunny parody. I would agree that Rogue One was a good looking movie and fit the Star Wars aesthetics. But was TLJ really so bad in that regard? I mean the Canto Bling (or whatever) side story was ridiculous but the actual look of it and the characters they were ok weren't they? And who could other than revel in the beauty of that ironing scene š There isn't much I enjoyed about TLJ, to be honest. I've never been one to argue with people about what they like. It wasn't for me, but I don't have a problem with those who enjoyed it. Call me a fool but I'm still hoping for the best with ROS.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 21, 2019 13:31:16 GMT
This is why Last Jedi is the only good one. , but now they need new and good characters, Rose sucks I don't think those words mean what you think they do.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 21, 2019 14:07:21 GMT
....can put out some above average Star Wars content. The rest of their content ranges from "meh" ( TFA and TLJ) to bad ( Solo). But R1 and The Mandalorian are some of the best onscreen Star Wars content yet! There's still hope!
The Force Awakens did that. 93% from critics and 86% from the fans. Made lots of money too. "Disney Star Wars" hit the ground running. Found critical and financial success right away. It's the definition of above average. It was better received than the prequels too:
TPM - 53% critics, 59% audience.
AOTC - 66% critics, 56% audience.
ROTS - 80% critics, 66% audience.
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 21, 2019 17:22:37 GMT
I preferred the Force Awakens to Rogue One.
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Post by šJan El SeƱorš on Nov 21, 2019 22:23:04 GMT
I would agree that Rogue One was a good looking movie and fit the Star Wars aesthetics. But was TLJ really so bad in that regard? I'd say that TLJ is one of the best in the series visually....
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Nov 21, 2019 22:45:14 GMT
....can put out some above average Star Wars content. The rest of their content ranges from "meh" ( TFA and TLJ) to bad ( Solo). But R1 and The Mandalorian are some of the best onscreen Star Wars content yet! There's still hope!
The Force Awakens did that. 93% from critics and 86% from the fans. Made lots of money too. "Disney Star Wars" hit the ground running. Found critical and financial success right away. It's the definition of above average. It was better received than the prequels too:
TPM - 53% critics, 59% audience.
AOTC - 66% critics, 56% audience.
ROTS - 80% critics, 66% audience.
Didn't you hear? We're supposed to act like all the Disney Stsr Wars movies have lost money and that nobody likes them. If you do otherwise on this Star Wars board, then you are a troll. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Nov 22, 2019 1:27:44 GMT
Rogue One has fantastic action and visuals. āDisposableā is a good word for it, but not in a bad way.
Iām not real impressed with The Mandalorian so far. Too disjointed.
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Post by šJan El SeƱorš on Nov 22, 2019 1:46:01 GMT
Rogue One has fantastic action and visuals. āDisposableā is a good word for it, but not in a bad way. I think any of the side stories will be "disposable," so that's expected. But I find Rogue One really helps the transition from III to IV for me. I may not always include side movies in my saga re-watches, but Rogue One will be a part of them consistently from now on....
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 22, 2019 12:58:06 GMT
The Force Awakens did that. 93% from critics and 86% from the fans. Made lots of money too. "Disney Star Wars" hit the ground running. Found critical and financial success right away. It's the definition of above average. It was better received than the prequels too:
TPM - 53% critics, 59% audience.
AOTC - 66% critics, 56% audience.
ROTS - 80% critics, 66% audience.
Didn't you hear? We're supposed to act like all the Disney Stsr Wars movies have lost money and that nobody likes them. If you do otherwise on this Star Wars board, then you are a troll. While the anti-Disney type definitely exists, and most certainly on this board, Jan genuinely likes what he likes. He doesn't dislike something just because it's Disney. He's a good poster.
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