Post by stargazer1682 on Nov 18, 2019 7:23:54 GMT
Alright, now or never.... Here we go.....
Wait, how the fuck old is Batman in the present day, that he was already active when Kate was a kid?
So Gotham is so dependent on Batman that they're so desperate to fill the void when he's no longer around (because fuck Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl or the Birds of Prey) that they'd rather have a private security firm instead of, I don't know, making the police department in Gotham better? How is private security supposed to be any better or less susceptible to corruption, like the GCPD is supposed to be? A private entity is literally in it for the money, unless it's inexplicably "not-for-profit" - which I suppose it might have to be, since otherwise where would the funding come from? Kate just says her dad started a private firm, not that he's generously financing free access to such security, but even if he were, what would make his agents immune for the same problems the actual authorities are plagued with in Gotham? Bruce had any number of factors going in his favor, starting with the fact that he had more money than God, so what could a criminal offer him that didn't already have or could get if he wanted it; not to mention the whole morality thing, combined with the concealed identity, meaning he was literally beyond approach - if you can't be found, no one can offer you a bribe to look the other way. They also don't know how to find those you love in order to use them as leverage; which was a major reason he concealed his identity.
"Batman gave up on us."
Fuck you, you ungrateful bastards. Either he's dead, which all things considered I kind of hope he is, because if nothing else the Birds of Prey series from 17 years ago (dear God, it's been 17 years??) already used the idea of Batman simply walking away from Gotham. But even if he didn't, this shit hole city can't seem to just appreciate of whatever strides he made during the time he was active, that he has to get dragged for "abandoning them;" because they apparently can't go unsupervised and everything went to the hell moment he turned his back.
If I were Batman, assuming he's not dead, I'd show up at this ceremony just to be like, "Yeah, let me help turn that off - that signal's not a right, it's a privilege; and you guys abused it." And then just slow walk through the crowd, flipping everybody off.
"Kate. It's Mary....Your step-sister?"
"Mary, our parents have been married for over a decade. I know who you are."
But the audience doesn't and the writers don't know how to convey things to the audience through anything less than heavy handed expositional dialog, because they think we have the attention span of a two year old.
Wait, what? You had to travel the fucking world, training with all sort of combat and survival specialists in order to join the private security agency your own fucking father owns and commands? I mean, I get wanting to avoid accusations of nepotism, but seriously, do all the Crows agents go through that sort of preparation? Because that seems kind of extreme for such a niche job. Especially seeing how easily all of those Crows agents get their asses handed to them by seemingly run of the mill street thugs; including the top agent who as it turns out is Kate's old flame. So a lot of fucking good their training was.
Where exactly was she training, that she's already back in Gotham before her father is finished with the briefing about Sophie's capture?
Also, how is surveillance "non-existent"? I know they took out the cameras focused on the event, which a)how, but more important, there was nothing, no surveillance of any kind in or around the area? I feel like that should have warranted a stronger response from the head of a fucking citywide security firm so bent on filling Batman's shoes.
I'm genuinely curious which "Academy" Sophie and Kate were attending. I know in the comics they were actually in the army, and the guy who finds them is wearing fatigues, but is this supposed to actually be the military? Is it the Crows? Something else? Don't Ask, Don't Tell was repealed in 2010 and effective since 2011 - which, wow, I can't believe it's been nearly a decade already - so are we to believe that this flashback is taking place more than 10 years ago? Or is it's a general fraternization thing they're taking issue with?
Come on, you can't have it both ways; you can't suggest that Bruce played the billionaire playboy routine to the hilt so much that Kate's dad thinks he a complete disgrace; yet such an integral businessman that his absence lead to the collapse of Wayne Enterprises and its corporate headquarters in Gotham shuttering its doors.
Bruce had his mother's peals framed in his office? That's just weird.
So the building is boarded up, the furniture is covered; yet they have a full time security guard working out of a high tech office with a retinal scan - but just the one guy, working in the city that's become a total hell hole since Batman disappeared; because apparently it's vital to look out for squatters and watch the furniture collect dust, but not so important as to commit more than one person to do it at a time.....
Why the fuck would any password at Wayne Enterprises be just "Alfred"? It might as well be fucking Guest.
Why does a place that's literally boarded its doors have access to anything of value to this case, that the Crows don't have access to? Didn't the one Crows agent say surveillance was "non-existent"? What sort of useless security firm wouldn't try to find anyone else's surveillance to supplement their own in a situation like this?
.....What
There's a woman from the Crows missing, a woman Kate is known to have a past with (especially by Mary. You know, her step-sister) and they decide to throw Kate a surprise party. Kate, the woman who was God only knows where until she heard about Sophie being taken hostage; and only came back to Gotham when she did because of that?
Do people under 40 still keep boxes of photos, let alone dirty photos that were ostensibly more than ten years ago?
How was Kate not qualified for the Crows? She lasted at least as long and arguably longer than all of the other Crane operatives.
That's a lame-ass locking/unlocking mechanism to access your secret vigilante auxiliary lair.... Like that's something the cleaning staff could accidentally trip.
Of all the cases, Bruce had a....what is it....murder board? Case board? Whatever. All about the accident the accident with Kate's mom and sister?
No.
Dear God, if crime is that bad in Gotham that you need that kind of security at an outdoor fucking movie, just move. Leave and burn the city on the ground.
A bigger issue I have with this scene is the scope relative to everything else. I've actually helped organize a few outdoor movies for my hometown of about 7000+ people. We were lucky to get 20 people to come out for it, but the real point is that this looks like an event being put on in a relatively small to medium sized town; hell, they mentioned earlier that the mayor had some kind of say in whether or not it was happening. Glossing over yet another example of how bad things are if there's concern about allowing a moderately size public function to go on outdoors at night. This sort of an event looks like it should be a blip on the radar in a sprawling city like Gotham. It's basically meant to be DC's answer to New York City. There should be 5-10 other things of equal importance or public interest going on at the same time; and probably a few other things of a higher profile than people watching Grease 2 in the park.
"I don't like that building. Who's covering it?"
"Dobson, sir."
"And no one else?"
"No, sir."
"I'm sure one person in an entire open structure I have tactical concerns about will perfectly fine patrolling that space alone. It's not like we're under threat of attack by an enemy we've recently encountered who's kicked the ass of several of our agents simultaneously and took one of them hostage. And we've thoroughly vetted Dobson, right?"
"Were you saying something, sir?"
"What? Oh, no. Just looking forward to seeing Michelle Pfiefer in tonight's movie. I need a c-o-o-l r-i-d-e-r....."
The Crows security sucks. Gotham would probably safe under the protection of Paul Blart.
That seems to have taken zero effort to tailor Bruce's custom made Batman suit to fit Kate; and my only assumption is that Bruce is actually very petite.
Oh my God, Alice is Kate's sister? Whoever could have seen that coming.....
Wait, how the fuck old is Batman in the present day, that he was already active when Kate was a kid?
So Gotham is so dependent on Batman that they're so desperate to fill the void when he's no longer around (because fuck Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl or the Birds of Prey) that they'd rather have a private security firm instead of, I don't know, making the police department in Gotham better? How is private security supposed to be any better or less susceptible to corruption, like the GCPD is supposed to be? A private entity is literally in it for the money, unless it's inexplicably "not-for-profit" - which I suppose it might have to be, since otherwise where would the funding come from? Kate just says her dad started a private firm, not that he's generously financing free access to such security, but even if he were, what would make his agents immune for the same problems the actual authorities are plagued with in Gotham? Bruce had any number of factors going in his favor, starting with the fact that he had more money than God, so what could a criminal offer him that didn't already have or could get if he wanted it; not to mention the whole morality thing, combined with the concealed identity, meaning he was literally beyond approach - if you can't be found, no one can offer you a bribe to look the other way. They also don't know how to find those you love in order to use them as leverage; which was a major reason he concealed his identity.
"Batman gave up on us."
Fuck you, you ungrateful bastards. Either he's dead, which all things considered I kind of hope he is, because if nothing else the Birds of Prey series from 17 years ago (dear God, it's been 17 years??) already used the idea of Batman simply walking away from Gotham. But even if he didn't, this shit hole city can't seem to just appreciate of whatever strides he made during the time he was active, that he has to get dragged for "abandoning them;" because they apparently can't go unsupervised and everything went to the hell moment he turned his back.
If I were Batman, assuming he's not dead, I'd show up at this ceremony just to be like, "Yeah, let me help turn that off - that signal's not a right, it's a privilege; and you guys abused it." And then just slow walk through the crowd, flipping everybody off.
"Kate. It's Mary....Your step-sister?"
"Mary, our parents have been married for over a decade. I know who you are."
But the audience doesn't and the writers don't know how to convey things to the audience through anything less than heavy handed expositional dialog, because they think we have the attention span of a two year old.
Wait, what? You had to travel the fucking world, training with all sort of combat and survival specialists in order to join the private security agency your own fucking father owns and commands? I mean, I get wanting to avoid accusations of nepotism, but seriously, do all the Crows agents go through that sort of preparation? Because that seems kind of extreme for such a niche job. Especially seeing how easily all of those Crows agents get their asses handed to them by seemingly run of the mill street thugs; including the top agent who as it turns out is Kate's old flame. So a lot of fucking good their training was.
Where exactly was she training, that she's already back in Gotham before her father is finished with the briefing about Sophie's capture?
Also, how is surveillance "non-existent"? I know they took out the cameras focused on the event, which a)how, but more important, there was nothing, no surveillance of any kind in or around the area? I feel like that should have warranted a stronger response from the head of a fucking citywide security firm so bent on filling Batman's shoes.
I'm genuinely curious which "Academy" Sophie and Kate were attending. I know in the comics they were actually in the army, and the guy who finds them is wearing fatigues, but is this supposed to actually be the military? Is it the Crows? Something else? Don't Ask, Don't Tell was repealed in 2010 and effective since 2011 - which, wow, I can't believe it's been nearly a decade already - so are we to believe that this flashback is taking place more than 10 years ago? Or is it's a general fraternization thing they're taking issue with?
Come on, you can't have it both ways; you can't suggest that Bruce played the billionaire playboy routine to the hilt so much that Kate's dad thinks he a complete disgrace; yet such an integral businessman that his absence lead to the collapse of Wayne Enterprises and its corporate headquarters in Gotham shuttering its doors.
Bruce had his mother's peals framed in his office? That's just weird.
So the building is boarded up, the furniture is covered; yet they have a full time security guard working out of a high tech office with a retinal scan - but just the one guy, working in the city that's become a total hell hole since Batman disappeared; because apparently it's vital to look out for squatters and watch the furniture collect dust, but not so important as to commit more than one person to do it at a time.....
Why the fuck would any password at Wayne Enterprises be just "Alfred"? It might as well be fucking Guest.
Why does a place that's literally boarded its doors have access to anything of value to this case, that the Crows don't have access to? Didn't the one Crows agent say surveillance was "non-existent"? What sort of useless security firm wouldn't try to find anyone else's surveillance to supplement their own in a situation like this?
.....What
There's a woman from the Crows missing, a woman Kate is known to have a past with (especially by Mary. You know, her step-sister) and they decide to throw Kate a surprise party. Kate, the woman who was God only knows where until she heard about Sophie being taken hostage; and only came back to Gotham when she did because of that?Do people under 40 still keep boxes of photos, let alone dirty photos that were ostensibly more than ten years ago?
How was Kate not qualified for the Crows? She lasted at least as long and arguably longer than all of the other Crane operatives.
That's a lame-ass locking/unlocking mechanism to access your secret vigilante auxiliary lair.... Like that's something the cleaning staff could accidentally trip.
Of all the cases, Bruce had a....what is it....murder board? Case board? Whatever. All about the accident the accident with Kate's mom and sister?
No.
Dear God, if crime is that bad in Gotham that you need that kind of security at an outdoor fucking movie, just move. Leave and burn the city on the ground.
A bigger issue I have with this scene is the scope relative to everything else. I've actually helped organize a few outdoor movies for my hometown of about 7000+ people. We were lucky to get 20 people to come out for it, but the real point is that this looks like an event being put on in a relatively small to medium sized town; hell, they mentioned earlier that the mayor had some kind of say in whether or not it was happening. Glossing over yet another example of how bad things are if there's concern about allowing a moderately size public function to go on outdoors at night. This sort of an event looks like it should be a blip on the radar in a sprawling city like Gotham. It's basically meant to be DC's answer to New York City. There should be 5-10 other things of equal importance or public interest going on at the same time; and probably a few other things of a higher profile than people watching Grease 2 in the park.
"I don't like that building. Who's covering it?"
"Dobson, sir."
"And no one else?"
"No, sir."
"I'm sure one person in an entire open structure I have tactical concerns about will perfectly fine patrolling that space alone. It's not like we're under threat of attack by an enemy we've recently encountered who's kicked the ass of several of our agents simultaneously and took one of them hostage. And we've thoroughly vetted Dobson, right?"
"Were you saying something, sir?"
"What? Oh, no. Just looking forward to seeing Michelle Pfiefer in tonight's movie. I need a c-o-o-l r-i-d-e-r....."
The Crows security sucks. Gotham would probably safe under the protection of Paul Blart.
That seems to have taken zero effort to tailor Bruce's custom made Batman suit to fit Kate; and my only assumption is that Bruce is actually very petite.
Oh my God, Alice is Kate's sister? Whoever could have seen that coming.....
