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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 18, 2019 19:57:53 GMT
It seemed like you were kind of making excuses for her even if it was in a backhanded sort of way. Maybe she meant this. Maybe she meant that. Nope If I thought that why did I mention ALIEN? She has uninformed opinions.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 18, 2019 20:04:20 GMT
It seemed like you were kind of making excuses for her even if it was in a backhanded sort of way. Maybe she meant this. Maybe she meant that. Nope If I thought that why did I mention ALIEN? She has uninformed opinions.
Good to know. I figured the racial bias comment wasn't endorsing her LOL I think she knowingly ignores facts to support her own agenda. There are many possible reasons why this movie bombed and the least likely is because it is a female action movie.
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 18, 2019 20:10:09 GMT
Good to know. I figured the racial bias comment wasn't endorsing her LOL I think she knowingly ignores facts to support her own agenda. Although it's not like the Color Purple gets talked about. Or Sugarland Express. Spielberg is not known for his great characters (since Jaws was essentially work for hire). So I can understand why she would not think of that (despite being uninformed). Most of the time people talk about Duel, Jaws, Raiders, ET, Schindler's List, and Jurassic Park with Spielberg-his other films go on the meh list. The Color Purple was massively promoted at the time but most people don't care about it.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 18, 2019 20:17:36 GMT
Good to know. I figured the racial bias comment wasn't endorsing her LOL I think she knowingly ignores facts to support her own agenda. Although it's not like the Color Purple gets talked about. Or Sugarland Express. Spielberg is not known for his great characters (since Jaws was essentially work for hire). So I can understand why she would not think of that (despite being uninformed). Most of the time people talk about Duel, Jaws, Raiders, ET, Schindler's List, and Jurassic Park with Spielberg-his other films go on the meh list. The Color Purple was massively promoted at the time but most people don't care about it.
She is an actress who worked with Spielberg. Not knowing he directed The Color Purple is inexcusable. Saving Private Ryan? That doesn't get talked about? I get what you are saying and I will certainly excuse some random member of the public not knowing he directed The Color Purple, but any movie buff or someone working in the industry has no excuse imo. What bugs me the most is that she didn't even research before making the fucking accusation. If someone is going to make an accusation like that, being "ill-informed" is not an excuse I will even listen to.
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 18, 2019 20:22:15 GMT
What bugs me the most is that she didn't even research before making the fucking accusation. If someone is going to make an accusation like that, being "ill-informed" is not an excuse I will even listen to. Sure. She fits into the SJW nitwit group. Being ill-informed doesn't defend her lack of judgement--I am merely pointing out how such a lack of information could happen in that case. I think the ALIEN faux pas is worse since it is a series she should have heard of. In fact I am sure she has, and she just didn't think of it because it didnt fit her argument which isn't a good sign. But worse is that people hired her precisely because of her SJW outlook.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 18, 2019 20:26:34 GMT
What bugs me the most is that she didn't even research before making the fucking accusation. If someone is going to make an accusation like that, being "ill-informed" is not an excuse I will even listen to. Sure. She fits into the SJW nitwit group. Being ill-informed doesn't defend her lack of judgement--I am merely pointing out how such a lack of information could happen in that case. I think the ALIEN faux pas is worse since it is a series she should have heard of. In fact I am sure she has, and she just didn't think of it because it didnt fit her argument which isn't a good sign. But worse is that people hired her precisely because of her SJW outlook.
I agree that the latter is worse, mostly because she is willfully ignoring every other successful female led action movie. In the case of The Color Purple ignorance is the case. I will forgive ignorance to an extent. I will not forgive deception.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 18, 2019 20:32:57 GMT
Wasn't she in a highly successful female lead action movie franchise called "The Hunger Games"? Also, is she unaware of Atomic Blonde Underworld Lara Croft Resident Evil Aliens Alita Battle Angel Allegiant The 2 previous Charlie's Angels movies Miss Congeniality Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
Etc.
Were they all comic book genre movies that were building other characters? Seriously, how stupid is she?
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Post by ReyKahuka on Nov 18, 2019 20:33:19 GMT
You know why nobody went to see this? Nobody cares about the source material, the two previous films were beyond terrible (at least they looked that way to me, I never saw those either), and Kristen Stewart has zero charisma. No need for a sexist conspiracy when the film sucks from the premise on down.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 18, 2019 20:34:53 GMT
Elizabeth Banks Says ‘Captain Marvel,’ ‘Wonder Woman’ Were Hits Because They Belong to ‘Male Genre’
The well-reviewed “Charlie’s Angels” reboot is the latest studio box office bomb of the fall movie season, following in the footsteps of such disasters as “The Goldfinch,” “Gemini Man,” “Motherless Brooklyn,” and “Terminator: Dark Fate.” The Elizabeth Banks-directed action comedy failed to crack $9 million at the box office over its opening weekend. Box office tracking had “Charlie’s Angels” opening at an already-disappointing $10 million, but the final total came in well below that low mark. IndieWire’s box office expert Tom Brueggemann says the film “will be a significant loss” for Sony this season. Prior to the movie’s disastrous opening weekend, Banks gave an interview to the Herald Sun that is now proving to be somewhat controversial. The filmmaker, who also wrote and produced “Charlie’s Angels” and stars in the movie as Bosley, called out a potential box office bomb as being sexist. “Look, people have to buy tickets to this movie, too. This movie has to make money,” she said. “If this movie doesn’t make money it reinforces a stereotype in Hollywood that men don’t go see women do action movies.” As some moviegoers were quick to point out on social media, “Charlie’s Angels” bombing doesn’t exactly prove men will not go pay to see an action movie driven by women. Earlier this year, the Brie Larson-starring “Captain Marvel” grossed $426 million in the U.S. and over $1.1 billion at the worldwide box office. “Wonder Women” ended its summer 2017 run with $821 million worldwide. But Banks says these female-fronted comic book films are still tied to a large male genre. “They’ll go and see a comic book movie with Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel because that’s a male genre,” Banks told the Sun. “So even though those are movies about women, they put them in the context of feeding the larger comic book world, so it’s all about, yes, you’re watching a Wonder Woman movie but we’re setting up three other characters or we’re setting up ‘Justice League.’” “By the way, I’m happy for those characters to have box office success,” Banks adds, “but we need more women’s voices supported with money because that’s the power. The power is in the money.” In a second interview before the film’s opening weekend with the Wall Street Journal, Banks defended her decision to make another “Charlie’s Angels” movie. The last “Charlie’s Angels” films starred Cameron Diaz, Drew Barrymore, and Lucy Liu and were released in 2000 and 2003. Banks’ “Angels” stars Kristen Stewart, Naomi Scott, and Ella Balinska. “You’ve had 37 Spider-Man movies and you’re not complaining!” Banks said. “I think women are allowed to have one or two action franchises every 17 years — I feel totally fine with that.” Banks added she was interested in launching a big franchise driven by women characters because that’s often not the case in Hollywood. “Being in a big franchise allows you to have it all,” she said. “I recognize the same thing, it’s almost unfair for women. The best roles are usually in small movies, but then you don’t make any money. It’s okay to want to make money.” When IndieWire recently asked Banks if she was concerned about if she was concerned about the reaction of trolls who might balk at her feminist-leaning action movie, she was succinct. “‘Charlie’s Angels’ has always been about women, and the DNA of it is about women working together on this team,” she said. “We are not treading in a male space. I think that’s one of the big differences between these two things. I don’t know, I’m less concerned about that. Of course, those trolls are horrifying, but you know, I challenge them to get up and make a fucking movie action movie. I welcome any of them into my realm.” With its $8.6 million opening, it’s unlikely “Charlie’s Angels” is the franchise-starter Banks envisioned. The film is now playing nationwide. www.yahoo.com/entertainment/elizabeth-banks-says-captain-marvel-144652640.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJTeEr6G6DFGuvGbwwC2czsuTDBNhHR0YBZj1-n_8QkDkhaqyGhzaS4Gb-As5FW4eUqO0nK6tYv9n0wm28t0PAIfYVwVao_XMAJcrg0symQxYbz4VI767sIXWJBAKvmb4en-jP2-Vkuqiwp_BunN61XGIiYQ4sIOPRblN4zML0JeSo do you agree with Elizabeth Banks ?  Was she paying attention when Captain Marvel was getting attacked by whiny alt-right cronies?
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Nov 18, 2019 20:36:55 GMT
You know why nobody went to see this? Nobody cares about the source material, the two previous films were beyond terrible (at least they looked that way to me, I never saw those either), and Kristen Stewart has zero charisma. No need for a sexist conspiracy when the film sucks from the premise on down. 
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 18, 2019 20:42:09 GMT
Wasn't she in a highly successful female lead action movie franchise called "The Hunger Games"? Also, is she unaware of Atomic Blonde Underworld Lara Croft Resident Evil Aliens Alita Battle Angel Allegiant The 2 previous Charlie's Angels movies Etc.
Were they all comic book genre movies that were building other characters? Seriously, how stupid is she? Mad Max: Fury Road is a female led sjw movie to an extent. So yeah, there's that. It is about freeing slave women from oppression. It is possibly the most action filled action movie ever made as well.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 18, 2019 20:47:51 GMT
Wasn't she in a highly successful female lead action movie franchise called "The Hunger Games"? Also, is she unaware of Atomic Blonde Underworld Lara Croft Resident Evil Aliens Alita Battle Angel Allegiant The 2 previous Charlie's Angels movies Etc.
Were they all comic book genre movies that were building other characters? Seriously, how stupid is she? Mad Max: Fury Road is a female led sjw movie to an extent. So yeah, there's that. It is about freeing slave women from oppression. It is possibly the most action filled action movie ever made as well. Mad Max: Fury Road IS a great film, though...
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 18, 2019 20:49:19 GMT
You know why nobody went to see this? Nobody cares about the source material, the two previous films were beyond terrible (at least they looked that way to me, I never saw those either), and Kristen Stewart has zero charisma. No need for a sexist conspiracy when the film sucks from the premise on down. While I certainly won't argue with someone who thinks Charlie's Angels (2000) is garbage, I personally think the movie is campy fun to a certain extent. The sequel is AWFUL though. Ironically, even the critics who dislike the new movie say that Kristen Stewart is charismatic in it. I like her in a couple movies, but mostly I agree with you. I think she is terrific in Camp X-Ray and she is good in Panic Room, Clouds of Sils Maria and American Ultra. That is the extent of my praise though. I just watched Personal Shopper last month and she is crap in it. She single handedly ruins the entire movie with her laughably unconvincing performance.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 18, 2019 20:51:58 GMT
Mad Max: Fury Road is a female led sjw movie to an extent. So yeah, there's that. It is about freeing slave women from oppression. It is possibly the most action filled action movie ever made as well. Mad Max: Fury Road IS a great film, though... That is my point. She is ignoring one of the the most praised and financially successful action movies of the decade that happens to have a female lead.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 18, 2019 20:55:06 GMT
You know why nobody went to see this? Nobody cares about the source material, the two previous films were beyond terrible (at least they looked that way to me, I never saw those either), and Kristen Stewart has zero charisma. No need for a sexist conspiracy when the film sucks from the premise on down. While I certainly won't argue with someone who thinks Charlie's Angels (2000) is garbage, I personally think the movie is campy fun to a certain extent. The sequel is AWFUL though. Ironically, even the critics who dislike the new movie say that Kristen Stewart is charismatic in it. I like her in a couple movies, but mostly I agree with you. I think she is terrific in Camp X-Ray and she is good in Panic Room, Clouds of Sils Maria and American Ultra. That is the extent of my praise though. I just watched Personal Shopper last month and she is crap in it. She single handedly ruins the entire movie with her laughably unconvincing performance. I know that you'll disagree with me, but I feel like Kristen Stewart is like reverse Emma Watson, whom I find much more convincing when she's in fantasy-based films but seems to fall flat when she's in "drama-based" films. Stewart, on the other hand, shows some good acting in "drama-based" films but goes completely off rails in fantasy-based films.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 18, 2019 20:58:50 GMT
While I certainly won't argue with someone who thinks Charlie's Angels (2000) is garbage, I personally think the movie is campy fun to a certain extent. The sequel is AWFUL though. Ironically, even the critics who dislike the new movie say that Kristen Stewart is charismatic in it. I like her in a couple movies, but mostly I agree with you. I think she is terrific in Camp X-Ray and she is good in Panic Room, Clouds of Sils Maria and American Ultra. That is the extent of my praise though. I just watched Personal Shopper last month and she is crap in it. She single handedly ruins the entire movie with her laughably unconvincing performance. I know that you'll disagree with me, but I feel like Kristen Stewart is like reverse Emma Watson, whom I find much more convincing when she's in fantasy-based films but seems to fall flat when she's in "drama-based" films. Stewart, on the other hand, shows some good acting in "drama-based" films but goes completely off rails in fantasy-based films. Emma Watson is only good in the Harry Potter movies and Noah and Kristen Stewart has done her best work in drama. What are we disagreeing about?
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 18, 2019 21:04:35 GMT
I know that you'll disagree with me, but I feel like Kristen Stewart is like reverse Emma Watson, whom I find much more convincing when she's in fantasy-based films but seems to fall flat when she's in "drama-based" films. Stewart, on the other hand, shows some good acting in "drama-based" films but goes completely off rails in fantasy-based films. Emma Watson is only good in the Harry Potter movies and Stewart has done her best work in drama. What are we disagreeing about? I honestly liked Watson in Noah and (gasp!) Beauty and the Beast remake.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 18, 2019 21:09:50 GMT
Emma Watson is only good in the Harry Potter movies and Stewart has done her best work in drama. What are we disagreeing about?I honestly liked Watson in Noah and (gasp!) Beauty and the Beast remake. I actually edited my reply to include Noah. She is miscast in Beauty and the Beast, but I don't hate her in it. She is about as mediocre as everything else about the movie. At the same time, because she is the lead she also does the most harm though.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 18, 2019 21:13:31 GMT
I honestly liked Watson in Noah and (gasp!) Beauty and the Beast remake. I actually edited my reply to include Noah. She is miscast in Beauty and the Beast, but I don't hate her in it. She is about as mediocre as everything else about the movie. At the same time, because she is the lead she also does the most harm though. I honestly think Emma Stone should've been the lead for Charlie's Angels instead of Kristen Stewart. As for Watson, I can picture her in something like a Pokemon film, but not in this.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 18, 2019 21:18:24 GMT
I actually edited my reply to include Noah. She is miscast in Beauty and the Beast, but I don't hate her in it. She is about as mediocre as everything else about the movie. At the same time, because she is the lead she also does the most harm though. I honestly think Emma Stone should've been the lead for Charlie's Angel instead of Kristen Stewart. As for Watson, I can picture her in something like a Pokemon film, but not in this. I don't care about Charlie's Angels though, so it makes no difference who the lead is. Sure, if Anne Hathaway, Natalie Portman and Emma Stone were the leads I would be more interested, but not that much more. Okay that was a lie. If that was the cast I would be significantly more interested. 
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