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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 19, 2019 19:41:17 GMT
Facebook. People have a healthier rapport with gov't, realizing it's neither glass half full nor half empty.
FB on the other hand is making trillions off ppl giving away their life's dna for nothing... nothing but likes & selfies & self importance. I wonder if FB users realize where FB sells their life's dna data... I don't, but it can't be charming.
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Post by Nora on Nov 19, 2019 20:03:41 GMT
Facebook. People have a healthier rapport with gov't, realizing it's neither glass half full nor half empty. FB on the other hand is making trillions off ppl giving away their life's dna for nothing... nothing but likes & selfies & self importance. I wonder if FB users realize where FB sells their life's dna data... I don't, but it can't be charming. there is no way to even find out. Their privacy notices are non transparent and by signing up for their account you pretty much give up your privacy rights. Thank god for Max Schrems. But google knows even more than FB... it’s crazy how much they compile. They scan your emails they trade data they localize you they data mine you to hell and back and it’s super non transparent too...
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Post by mecano04 on Nov 19, 2019 22:00:06 GMT
Aliens in Government who have Facebook pages and who Google their followers. ![https://video-images.vice.com/articles/5be0ba653e2dfd000637af73/lede/1541455032162-9pzxae9.png?crop=1xw:0.75xh;center,center&resize=1200:*](https://video-images.vice.com/articles/5be0ba653e2dfd000637af73/lede/1541455032162-9pzxae9.png?crop=1xw:0.75xh;center,center&resize=1200:*)
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Post by mecano04 on Nov 19, 2019 22:02:05 GMT
Facebook. People have a healthier rapport with gov't, realizing it's neither glass half full nor half empty. FB on the other hand is making trillions off ppl giving away their life's dna for nothing... nothing but likes & selfies & self importance. I wonder if FB users realize where FB sells their life's dna data... I don't, but it can't be charming. there is no way to even find out. Their privacy notices are non transparent and by signing up for their account you pretty much give up your privacy rights. Thank god for Max Schrems. But google knows even more than FB... it’s crazy how much they compile. They scan your emails they trade data they localize you they data mine you to hell and back and it’s super non transparent too... Microsoft scan your emails too in Outlook.
Trading and/or selling your data is the name of the game.
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Post by mecano04 on Nov 19, 2019 22:24:02 GMT
While Google and Facebook are different on the surface, they still make up two letters of GAFA ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Four_tech_companies). They're just two different heads of the "hydra", not different monsters. Compared to the big tech companies, the government is slightly more transparent since there are mechanisms in place that allow people to access information about it. Is it perfect? No, but like twothousandonemark said, people are somewhat less naive about the government than they are about Google or Facebook. That doesn't mean it can't pose a threat. Now aliens... While there is no reason to assume were 100% safe if we ever encounter them, assuming everything we encounter will annihilate us is a bit ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 22:34:28 GMT
I don't fear any of them, to be honest.
I don't fear Facebook because I don't have and have never had a Facebook account. They're nothing to do with me.
I don't fear Google because, well, I honestly can't think of a reason why I would. I like their search engine and their web browser.
I don't fear the Government because, again, just can't think of a reason to.
I don't fear Aliens because I don't even know if they exist. If they do, it's very unlikely they're coming here with ill intent. And if they did, there's not a thing we could hope to do about it anyway, so why worry?
I'm way more afraid of having my house burn down or something than any of them.
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Post by Catman on Nov 19, 2019 22:45:48 GMT
Catman is more afraid of lagomorphs.
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Post by Nora on Nov 19, 2019 23:27:33 GMT
there is no way to even find out. Their privacy notices are non transparent and by signing up for their account you pretty much give up your privacy rights. Thank god for Max Schrems. But google knows even more than FB... it’s crazy how much they compile. They scan your emails they trade data they localize you they data mine you to hell and back and it’s super non transparent too... Microsoft scan your emails too in Outlook.
Trading and/ sor selling your data is the name of the game.
sure they can and sure do, but overall they are less likely to engage in so much data selling because the dominant portion of their portfolio is for money. Whereas google and Facebook dominant portion of their product portfolio is for “free” (but basically paid for with your privacy).
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Post by Nora on Nov 19, 2019 23:30:52 GMT
I don't fear any of them, to be honest. I don't fear Facebook because I don't have and have never had a Facebook account. They're nothing to do with me. I don't fear Google because, well, I honestly can't think of a reason why I would. I like their search engine and their web browser. I don't fear the Government because, again, just can't think of a reason to. I don't fear Aliens because I don't even know if they exist. If they do, it's very unlikely they're coming here with ill intent. And if they did, there's not a thing we could hope to do about it anyway, so why worry? I'm way more afraid of having my house burn down or something than any of them. Facebook only Seemingly has nothing to do with you. Can you honestly say you never been to any of their sites or clicked on any of their plug ins on line? That would be hard to believe. And if you did, they can and do track you. They may not have So much in you because you don’t voluntarily give them photos of your family etc but they have a lot anyway. To be clear: I am not living in fear of any of these but find them so powerful and hard to control that we shouldn’t underestimate it. As a society. It’s so much aggregated power and extremely limited outside control. They can do (and they do do) much more than just target adds to you. And we are basically just all sitting here eating up their products and hoping that their leadership is a bunch of good people. If Hitler was alive today google and Facebook would represent his wet dream in respect to having the best tools able to gather power and control people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 0:02:51 GMT
I don't fear any of them, to be honest. I don't fear Facebook because I don't have and have never had a Facebook account. They're nothing to do with me. I don't fear Google because, well, I honestly can't think of a reason why I would. I like their search engine and their web browser. I don't fear the Government because, again, just can't think of a reason to. I don't fear Aliens because I don't even know if they exist. If they do, it's very unlikely they're coming here with ill intent. And if they did, there's not a thing we could hope to do about it anyway, so why worry? I'm way more afraid of having my house burn down or something than any of them. Facebook only Seemingly has nothing to do with you. Can you honestly say you never been to any of their sites or clicked on any of their plug ins on line? That would be hard to believe. And if you did, they can and do track you. They may not have So much in you because you don’t voluntarily give them photos of your family etc but they have a lot anyway. I've no idea what their sites are beyond the Facebook site. In fact I didn't know they had any other sites, until you just said that. It's entirely possible I've been on some, I guess. Do they own youtube? I go on youtube, even posted a few videos there. But so what if they have information about me? That thought doesn't scare me even slightly. There have always been people and entities far more powerful than the average person. From kings to industry tycoons to warlords to politicians to whatever. That's just the way of the world, and it always has been. I'm not afraid of somebody or something having power unless I feel that the power is likely to be used to harm me or people I care about. Which... well I admit, I don't know a whole lot about Facebook but I really don't see them sending a hitman after me or anything. I "eat up" products that I want, and nothing more.
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Post by Nora on Nov 20, 2019 1:24:31 GMT
Facebook only Seemingly has nothing to do with you. Can you honestly say you never been to any of their sites or clicked on any of their plug ins on line? That would be hard to believe. And if you did, they can and do track you. They may not have So much in you because you don’t voluntarily give them photos of your family etc but they have a lot anyway. I've no idea what their sites are beyond the Facebook site. In fact I didn't know they had any other sites, until you just said that. It's entirely possible I've been on some, I guess. Do they own youtube? I go on youtube, even posted a few videos there. But so what if they have information about me? That thought doesn't scare me even slightly. There have always been people and entities far more powerful than the average person. From kings to industry tycoons to warlords to politicians to whatever. That's just the way of the world, and it always has been. I'm not afraid of somebody or something having power unless I feel that the power is likely to be used to harm me or people I care about. Which... well I admit, I don't know a whole lot about Facebook but I really don't see them sending a hitman after me or anything. I "eat up" products that I want, and nothing more. But there is many more ways to harm humans and society other than sending hitmens to them. Much more subtle and in the long run more powerful ways. To influence them. To control them. To tell them what they want. To tell them who to vote for and how to spend their money. Are your decisions really yours? There may be. Or they may not. Facebook owns instagram, WhatsApp, Oculus and many other platforms and products. Google owns YouTube. And Google and facebook are best friends. The amount of aggregated information these tech giants have on all of us is unparalleled in history. It’s the worlds most powerful currency these days. Forget dollars. It’s data. And we feed them voluntarily on daily bases. We tell them where we are almost all the time (your mobile phone tells on you even if your locations services are switched off). We tell them who our family and friends are and what we look like and what we like to eat and what we jerk off to and what our hobbies are and what our health is like. Online behavior is an amazing source of highly telling data. Go to your google and look at your history. Go to your google maps and see significant places. Even if you are using the internet only minimally (which you are really not, you exist hear fairly frequently) the amount of data you leave behind it’s crazy. This is in no way to mean to scare anyone it’s just saying that we are handing over a lot of information, we are saying we are ok that they are aggregated in bulk and we believe that those who have those bulks under their control will be nice enough not to abuse it. How? Look up what China is doing - scoring its citizens value based on their online behavior. And your score (mandatory) affects your ability to get a job, get to a school or get a partner. Sounds like Nosedive from Black mirror right? It’s reality in one country. The fact that someone might enjoy playing video games may lower their score and get them labeled as “idle citizens”. I don’t even want to know what those of us who enjoy watching quirky porn would be labeled as. Russia and Turkey are getting up there too. Other countries may follow. Yes we may be living in a “free” country but when we are saying “this can’t happen to us” (because Facebook and google is owned by good people?) it seems a bit naive to me. Hitlers wet dream, I am telling you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 2:43:19 GMT
But there is many more ways to harm humans and society other than sending hitmens to them. Much more subtle and in the long run more powerful ways. To influence them. To control them. To tell them what they want. To tell them who to vote for and how to spend their money. Are your decisions really yours? There may be. Or they may not. Of course there are. And again, nothing new. To be as clear as I can be : I'm not arguing here that Facebook is a benign thing that's good for society. I'm telling you that I'm not scared of it. Never used any of those. It's perhaps worth pointing out that I have a pretty small online 'footprint' in terms of social media generally. I don't use twitter, facebook, grindr, tumblr, whatsapp, oculus, instagram... I don't even know what half of them are. Okay. Okay, so I went to Google maps. I do have a google account, I was logged in. I clicked on "your places" and there's nothing on it at all. Not under any of the four tabs (labelled, saved, visited, maps). Nothing under "location sharing", nothing under "your contribution", nothing under "timeline"... I couldn't find any record of any place I've ever been, searched for, or anything else. Except if I click for directions to somewhere, which I do mostly to see how far away it is, that knows where "Home" is. No, I use the internet quite a lot. But just not a lot of different places. There are three forums I post to, including this one and the one I own. There's another I browse. I visit youtube a lot, for movie/tv reviews, those story posts people do, etc. I leave comments on some of them. A couple of podcasts I listen to (cracked, late seating). I post pics of spaceships on Deviant Art (which is oddly named. It should be called Innocuous Art.) I visit the BBC site for news and weather. I shop on eBay and Amazon. And I'll admit it, I view online porn sometimes. And that's about 80% of my online activity. What scary things are people going to learn about me from this? That I like watching movie reviews? That I'm a sci fi fan? Honestly the biggest effect I see is targeted advertising, and that generally sucks because it seems to be based on an utterly stupid premise. Like I'll buy a pair of pants and now everywhere I go I'm getting adverts for pants but I'm the person that's not going to be buying pants no matter how many pants adverts I see because I only just bought a pair of pants you morons!No, I'm just saying I don't much care if they do that. Of course they'll use their data for whatever. Big whup.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 20, 2019 3:12:06 GMT
While Google and Facebook are different on the surface, they still make up two letters of GAFA ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Four_tech_companies). They're just two different heads of the "hydra", not different monsters. Compared to the big tech companies, the government is slightly more transparent since there are mechanisms in place that allow people to access information about it. Is it perfect? No, but like twothousandonemark said, people are somewhat less naive about the government than they are about Google or Facebook. That doesn't mean it can't pose a threat. Now aliens... While there is no reason to assume were 100% safe if we ever encounter them, assuming everything we encounter will annihilate us is a bit ridiculous. E.T.'s I couldn't care less... it's not if they exist, it's if specific threatening ones would even remotely exist at the very same hilariously minute time & space as we are today. Of the 13 odd billion years' chance of alignment, I'd say we're good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 4:10:40 GMT
While Google and Facebook are different on the surface, they still make up two letters of GAFA ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Four_tech_companies). They're just two different heads of the "hydra", not different monsters. Compared to the big tech companies, the government is slightly more transparent since there are mechanisms in place that allow people to access information about it. Is it perfect? No, but like twothousandonemark said, people are somewhat less naive about the government than they are about Google or Facebook. That doesn't mean it can't pose a threat. Now aliens... While there is no reason to assume were 100% safe if we ever encounter them, assuming everything we encounter will annihilate us is a bit ridiculous. E.T.'s I couldn't care less... it's not if they exist, it's if specific threatening ones would even remotely exist at the very same hilariously minute time & space as we are today. Of the 13 odd billion years' chance of alignment, I'd say we're good. The "time" part of that is waaay more important than most people realise. You get people talking about how many "Earth type" planets exist that could support life, on how many of those does life actually evolve, etc. What that misses is that Earth qualifies on those issues... but if aliens came to Earth, there's a 99.9998% chance that there would be no intelligent life here, because if they came, they came at some random point in the timeline of the Earth and intelligent life hasn't existed for the vast majority of Earth's 4.5 billion year life. So it's not "do aliens exist" so much as "do aliens exist in the same timeframe that humans exist"? What's really interesting about that is that the answer is almost certainly no... unless the average timeframe that an intelligent species survives for is vast compared to how long we've been around. If species last for hundreds of millions of years, then they have a chance of meeting one another. Which has interesting implications. For one... if there are intelligent aliens out there, then they're almost certainly more advanced than we are. And not just a bit more - millions of years more. I can't even imagine what human society will look like in ten million years. And on the converse - if there aren't intelligent aliens out there, it implies that such species have short lifespans. Which means that, statistically speaking, we're so completely screwed. Forget your galactic empire folks, because we're going to be extinct and right quick. It's why I sincerely hope we're contacted by aliens someday. Because whilst it doesn't guarantee that we will survive, it does show that we could.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 20, 2019 20:32:46 GMT
The government, but only as it stands nowadays. The government I envision is on that helps people. That's not what it is now. Instead its a means by which a small number of people can gain and maintain power for themselves. And that both republicans and democrats. They're all shady.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 20, 2019 22:31:36 GMT
E.T.'s I couldn't care less... it's not if they exist, it's if specific threatening ones would even remotely exist at the very same hilariously minute time & space as we are today. Of the 13 odd billion years' chance of alignment, I'd say we're good. The "time" part of that is waaay more important than most people realise. You get people talking about how many "Earth type" planets exist that could support life, on how many of those does life actually evolve, etc. What that misses is that Earth qualifies on those issues... but if aliens came to Earth, there's a 99.9998% chance that there would be no intelligent life here, because if they came, they came at some random point in the timeline of the Earth and intelligent life hasn't existed for the vast majority of Earth's 4.5 billion year life. So it's not "do aliens exist" so much as "do aliens exist in the same timeframe that humans exist"? What's really interesting about that is that the answer is almost certainly no... unless the average timeframe that an intelligent species survives for is vast compared to how long we've been around. If species last for hundreds of millions of years, then they have a chance of meeting one another. Which has interesting implications. For one... if there are intelligent aliens out there, then they're almost certainly more advanced than we are. And not just a bit more - millions of years more. I can't even imagine what human society will look like in ten million years. And on the converse - if there aren't intelligent aliens out there, it implies that such species have short lifespans. Which means that, statistically speaking, we're so completely screwed. Forget your galactic empire folks, because we're going to be extinct and right quick. It's why I sincerely hope we're contacted by aliens someday. Because whilst it doesn't guarantee that we will survive, it does show that we could. I'll take a deep dive into chaos even more... if (re. when*) humanity starts getting chip implanted, & managed via A.I., then what of interstellar travel & activity? lols I hope our A.I. kin to come are as interested in this galactic madness as we are today. I do think time travel via wormholes or whatever could become one day, billions of years from now, readily accessible... which could moot any missing timelines between civilizations... enabling meetings, & sexy wars. lols I need another drink or 6.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 22:53:12 GMT
The "time" part of that is waaay more important than most people realise. You get people talking about how many "Earth type" planets exist that could support life, on how many of those does life actually evolve, etc. What that misses is that Earth qualifies on those issues... but if aliens came to Earth, there's a 99.9998% chance that there would be no intelligent life here, because if they came, they came at some random point in the timeline of the Earth and intelligent life hasn't existed for the vast majority of Earth's 4.5 billion year life. So it's not "do aliens exist" so much as "do aliens exist in the same timeframe that humans exist"? What's really interesting about that is that the answer is almost certainly no... unless the average timeframe that an intelligent species survives for is vast compared to how long we've been around. If species last for hundreds of millions of years, then they have a chance of meeting one another. Which has interesting implications. For one... if there are intelligent aliens out there, then they're almost certainly more advanced than we are. And not just a bit more - millions of years more. I can't even imagine what human society will look like in ten million years. And on the converse - if there aren't intelligent aliens out there, it implies that such species have short lifespans. Which means that, statistically speaking, we're so completely screwed. Forget your galactic empire folks, because we're going to be extinct and right quick. It's why I sincerely hope we're contacted by aliens someday. Because whilst it doesn't guarantee that we will survive, it does show that we could. I'll take a deep dive into chaos even more... if (re. when*) humanity starts getting chip implanted, & managed via A.I., then what of interstellar travel & activity? lols I hope our A.I. kin to come are as interested in this galactic madness as we are today. I do think time travel via wormholes or whatever could become one day, billions of years from now, readily accessible... which could moot any missing timelines between civilizations... enabling meetings, & sexy wars. lols I need another drink or 6. Well I won't say it's impossible, but suffice to say that if travel via wormhole ever becomes possible then everything we know about wormholes today is flat wrong.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Dec 2, 2019 3:21:57 GMT
I large avoid Facebook nowadays and fear neither Google nor aliens. Governments can be scary, though I can't honestly say I fear my own.
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Post by hi224 on Dec 2, 2019 3:48:20 GMT
stuff within my ass.
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Post by Nora on Dec 2, 2019 3:55:16 GMT
I large avoid Facebook nowadays and fear neither Google nor aliens. Governments can be scary, though I can't honestly say I fear my own. Good luck avoiding Facebook it’s harder than you think even if you don’t have an account on it, Facebook still follows you around on line. Just think about it this way - the company profits from engagement and negative emotions gets the most engagement by far. Their profitability is directly tied to conflict. And they remain one of the most powerful companies in the world and hold private data in billions of people and can afford to pay endless fines and an army of lawyers . Isn’t that scary enough?
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