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Post by dianachristensen on Nov 21, 2019 3:34:08 GMT
motion to dismiss Elon Musk to face trial over ‘pedo guy’ tweets after court denies motion to dismiss defamation lawsuit PUBLISHED WED, NOV 20 201911:06 AM ESTUPDATED WED, NOV 20 201911:20 AM EST Annie Palmer @annierpalmer KEY POINTS -Tesla CEO Elon Musk is headed to court over a defamation lawsuit brought against him by British rescue diver Vernon Unsworth. -A Los Angeles judge ordered the jury trial to begin Dec. 3. -Unsworth sued Musk in 2018 for libel and slander after Musk referred to the diver as a “pedo guy” and a “child rapist.”  SpaceX owner and Tesla CEO Elon Musk gestures during a conversation at the E3 gaming convention in Los Angeles, June 13, 2019. Mike Blake | Reuters www.cnbc.com/2019/11/20/elon-musk-to-face-trial-over-pedo-guy-tweets.htmlU.S. District Judge Stephen Wilson in Los Angeles denied Musk’s request to throw out the case, according to court documents made public Tuesday. Wilson ordered the jury trial to begin Dec. 3. Attorneys for rescue diver Vernon Unsworth didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. Musk’s attorney, Alex Spiro, said in a statement: “We look forward to the trial.” Musk lawyers argued that the case should be tossed because his statements were insults rather than allegations, so they didn’t constitute defamation. In his motion for summary judgment, Musk also asserted that Unsworth should be considered a public figure due to his involvement in the cave rescue of a trapped Thai boys soccer team — a claim Wilson denied in Tuesday’s ruling. Since the judge ruled Unsworth is a private figure, Unsworth will have a lower burden of proof in his defamation claims. Unsworth has to prove only that Musk was negligent for failing to check that statements made in his tweets were true, instead of proving Musk acted with actual malice, or publishing statements he knew to be false. Unsworth sued Musk in 2018 after the pair were locked in a heated back-and-forth for weeks. The altercation erupted after Unsworth criticized Musk’s efforts to send a submarine to help rescue the team from a cave in Thailand where they were trapped. In response, Musk called Unsworth a “pedo guy” on Twitter and a “child rapist” in an email to a BuzzFeed reporter. In a court deposition released in September, Musk said he worried Unsworth might be “another Jeffrey Epstein.” The documents also showed Musk’s representatives spent tens of thousands of dollars on a private investigator to dig up details on Unsworth. The Unsworth case is one of several legal actions faced by Tesla and its mercurial CEO in the last few years. The company is also fighting a lawsuit from shareholders upset over its acquisition of SolarCity in 2016, and recently settled a suit with Walmart after Tesla solar panels on several stores caught fire. |
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Post by gameboy on Nov 21, 2019 6:10:25 GMT
What kind of scumbag would make such allegations against a guy who saved lives? I wonder what was his basis.
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Post by dianachristensen on Nov 22, 2019 0:54:39 GMT
What kind of scumbag would make such allegations against a guy who saved lives? I wonder what was his basis. "Unsworth sued Musk in 2018 after the pair were locked in a heated back-and-forth for weeks. The altercation erupted after Unsworth criticized Musk’s efforts to send a submarine to help rescue the team from a cave in Thailand where they were trapped. In response, Musk called Unsworth a “pedo guy” on Twitter and a “child rapist” in an email to a BuzzFeed reporter." It was actually fairly hilarious, at the time, which I think is okay to say now since things are going so well for Unsworth in the lawsuit, and the bar his attorney(s) will have to meet seems very attainable: "Since the judge ruled Unsworth is a private figure, Unsworth will have a lower burden of proof in his defamation claims. Unsworth has to prove only that Musk was negligent for failing to check that statements made in his tweets were true, instead of proving Musk acted with actual malice, or publishing statements he knew to be false." So yeah, Musk very publicly floated the idea, and I believe even preliminary plans, for a mini-submarine that rescuers would use to get through the caverns to the children and in which the children could be taken back to safety. Unsworth, the expert rescuer who had been brought in to advise and basically head up the rescue, responded that while it sounded nice it wasn't remotely feasible as grown men with minimal gear could barely fit through the spaces in the rock to get to the children, let alone an inflexible metal tube. So Musk went off. I hope Unsworth gets whatever he's asking.
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Post by gameboy on Nov 22, 2019 1:43:29 GMT
What kind of scumbag would make such allegations against a guy who saved lives? I wonder what was his basis. "Unsworth sued Musk in 2018 after the pair were locked in a heated back-and-forth for weeks. The altercation erupted after Unsworth criticized Musk’s efforts to send a submarine to help rescue the team from a cave in Thailand where they were trapped. In response, Musk called Unsworth a “pedo guy” on Twitter and a “child rapist” in an email to a BuzzFeed reporter." It was actually fairly hilarious, at the time, which I think is okay to say now since things are going so well for Unsworth in the lawsuit, and the bar his attorney(s) will have to meet seems very attainable: "Since the judge ruled Unsworth is a private figure, Unsworth will have a lower burden of proof in his defamation claims. Unsworth has to prove only that Musk was negligent for failing to check that statements made in his tweets were true, instead of proving Musk acted with actual malice, or publishing statements he knew to be false." So yeah, Musk very publicly floated the idea, and I believe even preliminary plans, for a mini-submarine that rescuers would use to get through the caverns to the children and in which the children could be taken back to safety. Unsworth, the expert rescuer who had been brought in to advise and basically head up the rescue, responded that while it sounded nice it wasn't remotely feasible as grown men with minimal gear could barely fit through the spaces in the rock to get to the children, let alone an inflexible metal tube. So Musk went off. I hope Unsworth gets whatever he's asking. It's an odd thing to argue about. Musk's plan was unrealistic and the expert told him so. I'm not so sure that insults like that should end in a lawsuit though.
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Post by dianachristensen on Nov 22, 2019 2:38:07 GMT
"Unsworth sued Musk in 2018 after the pair were locked in a heated back-and-forth for weeks. The altercation erupted after Unsworth criticized Musk’s efforts to send a submarine to help rescue the team from a cave in Thailand where they were trapped. In response, Musk called Unsworth a “pedo guy” on Twitter and a “child rapist” in an email to a BuzzFeed reporter." It was actually fairly hilarious, at the time, which I think is okay to say now since things are going so well for Unsworth in the lawsuit, and the bar his attorney(s) will have to meet seems very attainable: "Since the judge ruled Unsworth is a private figure, Unsworth will have a lower burden of proof in his defamation claims. Unsworth has to prove only that Musk was negligent for failing to check that statements made in his tweets were true, instead of proving Musk acted with actual malice, or publishing statements he knew to be false." So yeah, Musk very publicly floated the idea, and I believe even preliminary plans, for a mini-submarine that rescuers would use to get through the caverns to the children and in which the children could be taken back to safety. Unsworth, the expert rescuer who had been brought in to advise and basically head up the rescue, responded that while it sounded nice it wasn't remotely feasible as grown men with minimal gear could barely fit through the spaces in the rock to get to the children, let alone an inflexible metal tube. So Musk went off. I hope Unsworth gets whatever he's asking. It's an odd thing to argue about. Musk's plan was unrealistic and the expert told him so. I'm not so sure that insults like that should end in a lawsuit though. This article in The Sun covers how bad it got: www.thesun.co.uk/news/6792661/who-vernon-unsworth-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-guy-elon-musk-sue/
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Post by dianachristensen on Nov 22, 2019 3:51:56 GMT
u done being mad at me?
Let's talk at thelicks. :)
No, thanks.
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Post by gameboy on Nov 22, 2019 4:09:56 GMT
So it wasn't a random insult like calling him a "douchebag". He's linking him to sex trafficking in a well known Thai destination for Western pedophiles. I can see why Unsworth is suing. This could get ugly especially if Musk has some 'evidence' to back up his claims.
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Post by gameboy on Nov 22, 2019 4:10:17 GMT
u done being mad at me?
Let's talk at thelicks.  No, thanks. lol
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Post by dianachristensen on Nov 22, 2019 4:33:10 GMT
So it wasn't a random insult like calling him a "douchebag". He's linking him to sex trafficking in a well known Thai destination for Western pedophiles. I can see why Unsworth is suing. This could get ugly especially if Musk has some 'evidence' to back up his claims. Exactly. Though at the pretrial hearing "Musk lawyers argued that the case should be tossed because his statements were insults rather than allegations, so they didn’t constitute defamation,"* (which makes me think they definitely do NOT have any evidence that Unsworth is a "pedo" or any kind of "rapist"), as you can see from The Sun article, when Musk was raging over Unsworth he really tried to use online media like Buzzfeed to at once both dirty him up and get them to help him find something actually damning which is far worse than just insults. I mean, what a douche Musk is. Claiming Usworth's 40 year-old girlfriend who was 33 when they got together is his child bride who was "about 12" when he moved to Thailand? Like, shut up, Musk, just tell the lady she looks young and you assumed the worst just because you yourself look like a freaky crypt keeper. Yicchhhh. And the very specific amount Unsworth is suing for "He is looking for damages worth £57,000,"** makes it seem like there might be some very concrete damages involved; perhaps Unsworth lost out on some potential income in the wake of the libelous comments. *cnbc.com article liked in op **thesun.co.uk article linked above
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Post by gameboy on Nov 22, 2019 4:57:54 GMT
So it wasn't a random insult like calling him a "douchebag". He's linking him to sex trafficking in a well known Thai destination for Western pedophiles. I can see why Unsworth is suing. This could get ugly especially if Musk has some 'evidence' to back up his claims. Exactly. Though at the pretrial hearing "Musk lawyers argued that the case should be tossed because his statements were insults rather than allegations, so they didn’t constitute defamation,"* (which makes me think they definitely do NOT have any evidence that Unsworth is a "pedo" or any kind of "rapist"), as you can see from The Sun article, when Musk was raging over Unsworth he really tried to use online media like Buzzfeed to at once both dirty him up and get them to help him find something actually damning which is far worse than just insults. I mean, what a douche Musk is. Claiming Usworth's 40 year-old girlfriend who was 33 when they got together is his child bride who was "about 12" when he moved to Thailand? Like, shut up, Musk, just tell the lady she looks young and you assumed the worst just because you yourself look like a freaky crypt keeper. Yicchhhh. And the very specific amount Unsworth is suing for "He is looking for damages worth £57,000,"** makes it seem like there might be some very concrete damages involved; perhaps Unsworth lost out on some potential income in the wake of the libelous comments. *cnbc.com article liked in op **thesun.co.uk article linked above Yeah, it looks like Muck got himself in deep water, especially when he said the girlfriend was a child when they met. First I was thinking maybe he had good reason to be suspicious. But he was just being ugly. I hope Unsworth takes him to the cleaner. Why is that guy even defaming the good name of Nikola Tesla?
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 22, 2019 9:22:55 GMT
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Post by dianachristensen on Nov 22, 2019 20:44:54 GMT
I know, it's all covered in The Sun article I linked to Gameboy. It's just like you and Ben on the Soapbox, right Stamma? You be in some clash over a difference of opinion, his feelings would get hurt by what you'd posted and in response he'd post some atrocious lies claiming you do disgusting things to your female relatives, then he'd go edit your Wikipedia in the same spirit. Because the thing is, when one man hurts another man's feelings and then the second man libels the first in response, "He started it," doesn't cover his ass.
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 22, 2019 21:13:00 GMT
I know, it's all covered in The Sun article I linked to Gameboy. It's just like you and Ben on the Soapbox, right Stamma? You be in some clash over a difference of opinion, his feelings would get hurt by what you'd posted and in response he'd post some atrocious lies claiming you do disgusting things to your female relatives, then he'd go edit your Wikipedia in the same spirit. Because the thing is, when one man hurts another man's feelings and then the second man libels the first in response, "He started it," doesn't cover his ass. Except Ben came to Soapbox to disrupt and destroy so it was nothing to do with his feelings. The funny thing about Wikipedia is that I wasn’t adverse to seeing my page go (I broke one of their rules by creating my own page) but I told him I wasn’t going to get rid of it myself. Of course him also deleting my name from other articles was vandalism and censorship but those who support Ben are not bothered about that.
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Post by dianachristensen on Nov 22, 2019 21:22:28 GMT
I know, it's all covered in The Sun article I linked to Gameboy. It's just like you and Ben on the Soapbox, right Stamma? You be in some clash over a difference of opinion, his feelings would get hurt by what you'd posted and in response he'd post some atrocious lies claiming you do disgusting things to your female relatives, then he'd go edit your Wikipedia in the same spirit. Because the thing is, when one man hurts another man's feelings and then the second man libels the first in response, "He started it," doesn't cover his ass. Except Ben came to Soapbox to disrupt and destroy so it was nothing to do with his feelings. The funny thing about Wikipedia is that I wasn’t adverse to seeing my page go (I broke one of their rules by creating my own page) but I told him I wasn’t going to get rid of it myself. Of course him also deleting my name from other articles was vandalism and censorship but those who support Ben are not bothered about that. I support you to the exclusion of all Wiki deleters. 
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Post by Ass_E9 on Nov 26, 2019 16:35:26 GMT
Not serious enough to warrant having to worry about becoming Felon Musk.
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