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Post by camimac on Apr 29, 2017 16:15:40 GMT
Hitler Kim Jong Il Sadam Hussein Mussolini
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Post by Matthew the Swordsman on Apr 29, 2017 17:28:07 GMT
Whoever was the idiot who decided to bomb Dresden.
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 29, 2017 22:36:00 GMT
I'm going to assume you aren't looking for the obvious. That Hitler fella, for instance. Kaiser William II. Wasn't fit to govern a kindergarten. Arrogant bully. A lot of grief came from his incompetence. Tsar Nicolas II. Same as above. Wasn't a bully but a fool nevertheless. Tried to rule like Pharaoh in the 20th Century Douglas MacArthur. "Dugout Doug", arrogant overrated Mama's boy. Aside from Inchon, he wasn't a good general. I'll think of more The Kaiser was my first choice. Interesting. Lyndon Johnson comes to mind as another I don't care for. Good intentions aren't enough. The man was a swine. Bobby Kennedy's up there (or down there, as the case may be). I'm with ya on LBJ and Bobby Kennedy, Telegonus. And I'm not sure about Johnson's intentions, either. More like Machiavellian pragmatism to me. My old professor used to call Johnson "our Shakespearean tragic president," an—er—honor sometimes shared with Nixon.
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Post by hi224 on Apr 29, 2017 22:48:12 GMT
Whoever was the idiot who decided to bomb Dresden. Yep
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 23:42:14 GMT
Maya, I did read up on Galen before I posted that remark, You are absolutely right but Historically, almost all of these medical 'innovations' were not practiced almost up until the 20th century century, I would much rather remove him 'out of History' and perhaps save untold millions of deaths? by exhausting an already weakened patient to death or infection by draining a couple of pints of his blood for something like the flu or a common cold. If his 'other' measures were practiced on a large scale, then maybe it would even out? especially the sterilization. I will leave it up to you to decide, which is the lesser of two evils. Surely these measures would of been discovered and advocated by someone else, or written by another Greek, doubt that Galen discovered all of these, probably just collected these methods in his works. 'Ignaz Semmelweis, an Hungarian obstetrician, advocated in 1847 the value of hand-washing and fingernail scrubbing.'
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Post by maya55555 on Apr 30, 2017 4:18:35 GMT
morpheus
The cataract syringe by Galen, I have seen attributed to him many times. The sterilization was reserved for the care of gladiators, as you know there was much money involved in their care. His "hospitals" were an idealization and his concept.
Many inventions were ahead of their time and dropped. Reasons are many.
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Post by telegonus on Apr 30, 2017 8:48:50 GMT
The Kaiser was my first choice. Interesting. Lyndon Johnson comes to mind as another I don't care for. Good intentions aren't enough. The man was a swine. Bobby Kennedy's up there (or down there, as the case may be). I'm with ya on LBJ and Bobby Kennedy, Telegonus. And I'm not sure about Johnson's intentions, either. More like Machiavellian pragmatism to me. My old professor used to call Johnson "our Shakespearean tragic president," an—er—honor sometimes shared with Nixon. Thanks, Salzmank. Another one, and admittedly an east target: Pierre Laval, whom at least the French had the good sense to hang (or was it guillotine?) after the war. From more or less the same period: Benito Mussolini. He's not high on most lists, I would imagine, except among Italians. The man wasn't evil so much as his influence was pernicious. I think it's fair to say that the world would have been a far better place had he not been born. I don't care at all for Billy Graham. Not for his religious beliefs, or even his sermons, which are or rather were okay in my book, but for his opportunism and his hypocrisy. Nor do I care for Ronald Reagan. His politics were not my cup of tea, but there are many public figure whom I've disagreed with, often strongly, whom I have respected, even liked, from the late John McLaughlin to Sen. Robert Taft, known as "Mr. Republican" in his day. But Reagan was different. It's like he promised one thing, delivered another. I couldn't stand his public persona. Guys like Taft and Barry Goldwater never promised us a rose garden. George Patton. Great general, not a nice human being. We probably need people like him in wartime, but we don't have to like him.
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Post by hi224 on Apr 30, 2017 14:12:37 GMT
I'm with ya on LBJ and Bobby Kennedy, Telegonus. And I'm not sure about Johnson's intentions, either. More like Machiavellian pragmatism to me. My old professor used to call Johnson "our Shakespearean tragic president," an—er—honor sometimes shared with Nixon. Thanks, Salzmank. Another one, and admittedly an east target: Pierre Laval, whom at least the French had the good sense to hang (or was it guillotine?) after the war. From more or less the same period: Benito Mussolini. He's not high on most lists, I would imagine, except among Italians. The man wasn't evil so much as his influence was pernicious. I think it's fair to say that the world would have been a far better place had he not been born. I don't care at all for Billy Graham. Not for his religious beliefs, or even his sermons, which are or rather were okay in my book, but for his opportunism and his hypocrisy. Nor do I care for Ronald Reagan. His politics were not my cup of tea, but there are many public figure whom I've disagreed with, often strongly, whom I have respected, even liked, from the late John McLaughlin to Sen. Robert Taft, known as "Mr. Republican" in his day. But Reagan was different. It's like he promised one thing, delivered another. I couldn't stand his public persona. Guys like Taft and Barry Goldwater never promised us a rose garden. George Patton. Great general, not a nice human being. We probably need people like him in wartime, but we don't have to like him. Yeah but sadly goldwater lacked the magnetic presence reagan had as well, partially concieved by his movie star persona.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 2:09:33 GMT
morpheus
The cataract syringe by Galen, I have seen attributed to him many times. The sterilization was reserved for the care of gladiators, as you know there was much money involved in their care. His "hospitals" were an idealization and his concept.
Many inventions were ahead of their time and dropped. Reasons are many. Maya, your point is an excellent one, I am only looking at this through a historical looking glass and not a scientific one. You have caused me to have some doubts though not many. Galen's theories had a very long reach and his most note-worthy innovations, as you noted, were oddly ignored? I can't even guess the reasons why? Especially the sterilization- a simple trial and error/ observing cause and effect would of proved this immediately? Even Islamic medical authors (being more advanced) advised bloodletting.
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Post by hi224 on May 1, 2017 2:49:28 GMT
imagine if democracy had won in Russia.
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Post by pennypacker on May 1, 2017 5:28:02 GMT
Tatcher. Indira Gandhi Nancy Spungen. Rasputin. Friedrich Nietzsche Freud, Mark Antony.
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Post by Dana on May 1, 2017 17:11:38 GMT
Vlad Tepes, Cortez, Kim Jong
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