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Post by heeeeey on Dec 4, 2019 22:55:34 GMT
I know full well what the functions of the bass player and other musicians in a band are. The bass player needs to be in sync with the drummer and is part of the rhythm section. A lot of guitarists can switch from guitar to bass. But if one them says they play the guitar and doesn't see any reason to say they play bass because they haven't played in a long time, is that a lie?
And I never disputed Paul's abilities. I said that if you can find the worst song the Beatles ever recorded, Paul probably wrote it.
Both John and Yoko didn't like him. And he himself said in an interview that Yoko told him in so many words to fuck off when he called her after John was killed.
Look, I'm not going to speak to 'who's a liar and who isn't'. I'm just saying? Being a guitar player and just switching to bass, easy as pie? Not really, not if the guitar/bass person wants to be a good bassist, who melodically pushes the rhythm section . It's two completely different approaches. Bass has far more in common with piano or even a horn section than a guitar. Two completely different registers, which play different roles in the way our modern ears have been culturally trained to hear music. Knowing the notes, and being able to play guitar licks on a bass is rudimentary at best. That might work for a very simple blues rock outfit, covering Mountain, Cream, Black Sabbath or even some Led Zep, but? Not going to help one much when getting out of that limited genre. BTW, I love that limited genre, but it's almost invisible today. Running 8th notes in Van Halen ain't going to help one play Motown, or modern R&B. BTW, I'm one who got into bass playing the way you said: I used to do acoustic acts at wine and cheese dinner bars, jammed with other guitarists in my off time, and? When we had three guitars, drums, keyboard and a hot young female vocalist? The three of us had to figure out who was going to do the bass. You know how I 'won/lost' that decision? The other two players had more money and equipment than I did, and supplied me with a bass and a rig. Our vocalist used to complain about the 3 of us 'competing' even after I'd moved to bass. She was right. But I didn't believe it back then. I was a very decent guitar player, as good as the other two (at least), and? Like you say? Was absolutely convinced my knowledge of notes and technique on the fretboard was all there was to it. In my defense, I was only 17 at the time, and never even considered playing bass. I didn't want to, TBH. It wasn't until long after that band was gone, the usmc,a professional career in the workforce later, that? A few friends of mine asked me to do bass as a 'favor' until they could find someone permanent. I was about 25 or so. Playing the kind of stuff (heavy blues rock). We were OK, got a couple of local paying gigs, and? I wanted to not play with a pick, so I bought a couple of books, started reading bass player magazine, studied motown, beatles, weather report, yes, the police, miles davis, stanley clarke, darryl jones (who basically wound up replacing Wyman in the Stones to make money: he had played for sting and miles davis earlier in his career). It was only then that I began to understand what bass playing is really about. It really is 'apples and oranges'. I'm pushing back on the idea that 'any guitarist can play bass', etc. A guitar player who plays a bass sometimes is often enough exactly that: a guitar player playing a bass. Not a bassist. There is decidedly a difference. Oh, BTW? "John hates Paul". That's just the kind of BS one used to read in Creem or Circus magazine in the 70's to sell copies. I've explained this to you many times, you willfully choose not to even consider it. The Beatles were like brothers. They all knew who they were, and weren't afraid to snipe at each other in public. Which has nothing to do with 'hate'. Is it part of the rhythm section or not? You mean the bass player can ignore the drummer and play more in sync with the horn section instead? What you said is why I didn't say I'm a bassist. I haven't played that instrument in a long time. Cinemachinery brought up something I said TWO YEARS AGO that I said because it was pertinent to the topic at the time, and he's trying to act like I said I was a professional bassist.
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Post by tommyrockarolla on Dec 4, 2019 23:20:18 GMT
Revolution 9 written by John with help from George and Yoko. 'Nuff said. Dig a Pony by Lennon is also pretty awful (he agreed). To be fair, Revolution 9 isn't really a song. I wonder if John liked Paul before Yoko came into the picture. Of course he did. They were like brothers. Everyone reads the common knowledge of the Beatles demise in 1969, or 'exploding' in 64, or even them playing Hamburg 1962, but? Paul did his first gig with John in 1957, and George early 1958. Man, that's 12 of the most formative yeas in most peoples lives. In other words, their times as teenagers just being buddies in a group project was as long as their period of Beatles fame. That means, being broke, hitching rides, swapping GF's, pissing on the school principal were all shared experiences for these guys. Imagine you went to school, worked with, and did everything you did together from when you were 16 to the time you were 30 ish? Even if it all ends sloppily, do ya think those three hated eachother? I doubt it, and none of them ever used those terms either. Sibling rivalries is what it seemed to me. I used 'the three of them' because Ringo came into the picture 4+ years after everyone else. From what I understand, they were all OK when there were no lawyers around, which was rare in the early mid 1970's. Paul and John had a particularly competitive thing going on going back to being kids. It remained until John died (probably). Quietly, when the Beatles were breaking up? George's problems had mostly to do with John. Strange how, through time, McCartney became the all purpose bad guy. Probably because his enthusiastic self promotion rubs people the wrong way. The idea they 'hated each other' is nonsense to anyone who reads, and can relate their life experiences on to other peoples. IMO.
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Post by Admin on Dec 4, 2019 23:43:37 GMT
To be fair, Revolution 9 isn't really a song. I wonder if John liked Paul before Yoko came into the picture.Of course he did. They were like brothers. Everyone reads the common knowledge of the Beatles demise in 1969, or 'exploding' in 64, or even them playing Hamburg 1962, but? Paul did his first gig with John in 1957, and George early 1958. Man, that's 12 of the most formative yeas in most peoples lives. In other words, their times as teenagers just being buddies in a group project was as long as their period of Beatles fame. That means, being broke, hitching rides, swapping GF's, pissing on the school principal were all shared experiences for these guys. Imagine you went to school, worked with, and did everything you did together from when you were 16 to the time you were 30 ish? Even if it all ends sloppily, do ya think those three hated eachother? I doubt it, and none of them ever used those terms either. Sibling rivalries is what it seemed to me. I used 'the three of them' because Ringo came into the picture 4+ years after everyone else. From what I understand, they were all OK when there were no lawyers around, which was rare in the early mid 1970's. Paul and John had a particularly competitive thing going on going back to being kids. It remained until John died (probably). Quietly, when the Beatles were breaking up? George's problems had mostly to do with John. Strange how, through time, McCartney became the all purpose bad guy. Probably because his enthusiastic self promotion rubs people the wrong way. The idea they 'hated each other' is nonsense to anyone who reads, and can relate their life experiences on to other peoples. IMO. Regarding the band's breakup, I've always considered John the bad guy. At any rate, my comment was more of a reference to Heeeeey's statement that "John and Yoko didn't like him."
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Post by jillresurrected on Dec 4, 2019 23:51:14 GMT
He and the Beatles always bored me to death.
I was forced to play some Beatles songs during my guitar lessons, from the "Beatles Complete". I didn't get it and after a while, I refused.
We then returned to classical guitar.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 5, 2019 0:31:55 GMT
He and the Beatles always bored me to death. I was forced to play some Beatles songs during my guitar lessons, from the "Beatles Complete". I didn't get it and after a while, I refused. We then returned to classical guitar. 😴😴😴 |
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Post by jillresurrected on Dec 5, 2019 0:35:01 GMT
He and the Beatles always bored me to death. I was forced to play some Beatles songs during my guitar lessons, from the "Beatles Complete". I didn't get it and after a while, I refused. We then returned to classical guitar. 😴😴😴 Exactly.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 5, 2019 1:17:12 GMT
Perhaps you and the bass player in this thread can get together and start writing some music that would show Paul McCartney and his millions of fans just exactly what quality music sounds like. Who knows, maybe 50 years from now, your collaborative efforts will still be selling out arenas worldwide. And maybe, somebody on a random internet chat board will start a thread discussing how bland your music really is. If you dream it, you can do it! |
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Post by jillresurrected on Dec 5, 2019 1:19:21 GMT
Perhaps you and the bass player in this thread can get together and start writing some music that would show Paul McCartney and his millions of fans just exactly what quality music sounds like. Who knows, maybe 50 years from now, your collaborative efforts will still be selling out arenas worldwide. And maybe, somebody on a random internet chat board will start a thread discussing how bland your music really is. If you dream it, you can do it! Yawn. I don't have to be better at anything to criticize an artist. That's an old-fashioned point of view and has been overtaken by the arts. I don't like his music, he bores me to death. Btw, I never claimed I could write music.
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Post by Admin on Dec 5, 2019 1:25:18 GMT
I think this video should be a mandatory watch for anyone participating in this thread.
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Post by Admin on Dec 5, 2019 1:27:17 GMT
Yawn. ...bores me to death. Have you ever considered psychedelic drugs to cure your boredom? Or maybe just a different channel?
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Post by jillresurrected on Dec 5, 2019 1:38:59 GMT
Yawn. ...bores me to death. Have you ever considered psychedelic drugs to cure your boredom? Or maybe just a different channel? Yawn.
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Post by Admin on Dec 5, 2019 1:48:36 GMT
Have you ever considered psychedelic drugs to cure your boredom? Or maybe just a different channel? Yawn. This is not the only forum on the internet. Surely you can find one that doesn't bore you...
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Post by jillresurrected on Dec 5, 2019 1:57:45 GMT
This is not the only forum on the internet. Surely you can find one that doesn't bore you... Paul McCartney bores me. Don't you understand? I am posting in my third language, not you, I thought. And this is the one forum in the internet where I have been in touch with its posters for years.
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Post by Admin on Dec 5, 2019 2:05:28 GMT
This is not the only forum on the internet. Surely you can find one that doesn't bore you... Paul McCartney bores me. Don't you understand? I am posting in my third language, not you, I thought. I tried searching this forum for every time you responded to someone with "yawn," but I had to cancel the process when it started smoking. I really hope you don't think you're the only one who isn't here for me...
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Post by jillresurrected on Dec 5, 2019 2:09:44 GMT
Paul McCartney bores me. Don't you understand? I am posting in my third language, not you, I thought. I tried searching this forum for every time you responded to someone with "yawn," but I had to cancel the process when it started smoking. I really hope you don't think you're the only one who isn't here for me... Aww. You have your fans, don't worry. I mean, some are really really really far up that butt of yours. One question though: How does it feel to be the master of people's long connections? Being able to have control over it? Doesn't that make you feel powerful? Other than that, you must have read my mind: YAWN.
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Post by Admin on Dec 5, 2019 2:15:39 GMT
I tried searching this forum for every time you responded to someone with "yawn," but I had to cancel the process when it started smoking. I really hope you don't think you're the only one who isn't here for me... Aww. You have your fans, don't worry. I mean, some are really really really far up that butt of yours. That explains the rash. I've never really thought about it. Maybe someone should create a back up forum somewhere so those who get banned from a forum created to preserve those connections can stay in touch. You're boring yourself now? Good grief. Is there nothing else on, or are you just being too lazy to reach for the remote?
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Post by millar70 on Dec 5, 2019 2:18:55 GMT
Perhaps you and the bass player in this thread can get together and start writing some music that would show Paul McCartney and his millions of fans just exactly what quality music sounds like. Who knows, maybe 50 years from now, your collaborative efforts will still be selling out arenas worldwide. And maybe, somebody on a random internet chat board will start a thread discussing how bland your music really is. If you dream it, you can do it! Yawn. I don't have to be better at anything to criticize an artist. That's an old-fashioned point of view and has been overtaken by the arts. I don't like his music, he bores me to death. Btw, I never claimed I could write music. Your first point makes you sound like a dim-witted child. Your 2nd point makes no sense. "That's an old-fashioned point of view, and has been overtaken by the arts". What does that even mean? Your 3rd point is fair enough, though I can say the same thing about Beethoven. Your 4th point about not writing music, then why are you bothering to take guitar lessons? Just to play other people's ideas? I play guitar, and I can play a bunch of other musicians work, but I've also come up with my own stuff. If you have even minimal talent, you should be able to do that. It's not THAT difficult. |
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Post by jillresurrected on Dec 5, 2019 2:19:11 GMT
Aww. You have your fans, don't worry. I mean, some are really really really far up that butt of yours. That explains the rash. I've never really thought about it. Maybe someone should create a back up forum somewhere so those who get banned from a forum created to preserve those connections can stay in touch. You're boring yourself now? Good grief. Is there nothing else on, or are you just being too lazy to reach for the remote? You win. I must dedicate myself to less boring music now, to music that helps to endure life and everything that goes along with it.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 5, 2019 2:23:38 GMT
Perhaps you and the bass player in this thread can get together and start writing some music that would show Paul McCartney and his millions of fans just exactly what quality music sounds like. Who knows, maybe 50 years from now, your collaborative efforts will still be selling out arenas worldwide. And maybe, somebody on a random internet chat board will start a thread discussing how bland your music really is. If you dream it, you can do it! WTF makes you, battouttaheck, Yojimbo, et al, think someone has to be a musical legend to criticize someone who's famous? Like someone said, Paul isn't going to be devastated by what's said about him here, so what do you care if some people don't like him? What skin is it off your ass? And nobody cares what you play or what you write. This thread isn't about you.
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Post by jillresurrected on Dec 5, 2019 2:30:08 GMT
Yawn. I don't have to be better at anything to criticize an artist. That's an old-fashioned point of view and has been overtaken by the arts. I don't like his music, he bores me to death. Btw, I never claimed I could write music. Your first point makes you sound like a dim-witted child. Your 2nd point makes no sense. "That's an old-fashioned point of view, and has been overtaken by the arts". What does that even mean? Your 3rd point is fair enough, though I can say the same thing about Beethoven. Your 4th point about not writing music, then why are you bothering to take guitar lessons? Just to play other people's ideas? I play guitar, and I can play a bunch of other musicians work, but I've also come up with my own stuff. If you have even minimal talent, you should be able to do that. It's not THAT difficult. My first point was first stated by Gotthold Ephraim Lessing, a famous literary critic of the era of the enlightenment. You should look him up sometime. Which is what explains my second point. I don't understand what you mean. You thought I was taking guitar lessons because I wanted to compose? Besides, I have come up with stuff too, but I wouldn't call any of it "songs" or "composition". No, I don't think that I was still better than McCartney, but I still think his music sucks. I didn't just play other people's ideas. I was a very good interpreter, but I won't get into a pissing contest here. I don't care. And I bet whatever you came up with wasn't better than Beethoven's and you are still allowed to criticize him or have an opinion about him.
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