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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 3, 2019 15:15:54 GMT
Some Beatles songs which I love for their lyrics: Norwegian Wood - John Lennon She Came In Through the Bathroom Window - Paul McCartney A Day in the Life - John Lennon Eleanor Rigby - Paul McCartney Rocky Raccoon - Paul McCartney In My Life - John Lennon I do think Let It Be is a good lyric, and I think he said it came to him in a dream -- just as easily as all his others. He also said the main melody of Yesterday came to him a dream, and then he/they proceeded to work on it for over a year before it was released. Again, that combination of inspiration AND hard work. Also, the only thing I've heard about Let It Be "coming to him in a dream" is that he had a dream about his mother (Mary) who came to him in a dream and said that, and he worked it into the song. Nothing about the rest of the song and/or lyrics.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 3, 2019 15:33:10 GMT
🙄 Anyone even vaguely familiar with their relationship knows of the bias and animosity between them. They were two highly competitive songwriters, and Lennon was a bundle of depressed and abusive neuroses. Brilliant songwriter, yes. Objective judge of his best frenemy’s music? You need to do some reading. The fact that you opened with a fraction of lines from two songs amidst a sea of music then went with “Well John didn’t like it” illustrates the same dynamic you have with the topic of politics: not terribly versed on it, just there to use it as a springboard in fishing for contrarian attention. Begone with your “Who am I to disagree with the guy I think is ‘deep’” nonsense. That’s some watery basis for one’s own opinions. I am quite familiar with that, and just because John couldn't stand Paul (for good reason), that doesn't mean he didn't also dislike that song. Mmm. “Just because the source I’m basing my opinion on and cannot disagree with is both heavily biased and emotionally invested doesn’t mean they didn’t really feel that way!” is about as sharp a basis for musical analysis as cherry picking two song fragments out of a prolific catalog as a representation of a body of lyrics. You sound like a teen who missed half the course so they padded their paper with ellipses. A good send up of the freshman nature of thread would have been to simply post the chorus of “Dear Yoko”, the several bars spent gasping on “Cold Turkey”, or the entirety of “I Want You (She’s so Heavy)” and ending it with “Looks like George and Paul wrote the deep stuff” but A) I don’t think I could bare to even *pretend* to be that vapid and B) you’d stare at it and have literally no idea of the relevance. What poor instrument do you play that has to suffer under these greenhorn snapshots of musical logic?
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 3, 2019 15:45:03 GMT
I have. I got glowing reviews and feedback. I wouldn't here though out of spite. To be honest, I didn't read your poem yet. I did peruse it, but it's too long. From what I did read of it, I couldn't tell what it's supposed to be about. Other than that, it looks very 'textbook', i.e., very well-structured and resembling the cadence of those you have read, studied, and styles you seem to have copied.
I don't usually read long poems unless I'm captured by the first line or paragraph.
My poems aren't lengthy, and I haven't written any in years. Mine were all written mostly in my teens and 20s -- one or two in my early 30s. But I haven't written any since, because I haven't been inspired to write any since then. I wouldn't write any otherwise. I can't 'force' myself to write one out of 'work'.
Then link to the forum where you got "glowing reviews and feedback," or, better yet, link to a journal that you submitted them to. I'd love for you to post them on Eratosphere. Too long? So you haven't bothered to read Paradise Lost? The Prelude? Don Juan? Four Quartets? Comedian of the Letter C? Changing Light at Sandover? Considering you've never read a poetry textbook you're in no position to say "it looks very textbook," nor what the cadence resembles (or doesn't). You seem to think that hard work and inspiration are mutually exclusive. They are not. I only ever write when I'm "inspired" to write as well, I don't force myself to write just to write. That's not the point, though, because even when you're inspired to write there should be hard work that goes into it: the careful consideration of diction, line breaks, form, voice, tone, figurative language, allusions, etc. If you want me to post some short stuff I've written that certainly doesn't come from any "textbook" (beyond the fact that they're cinquains), try these--each five lines is separate poem; title is first line: Do you read books you're not interested in or that don't interest you?
I have read some of those poems that I found interesting. I don't read them just for the sake of reading them and to say I have read them.
I also never wrote poetry to receive any feedback or 'accolades', or anything else. I submitted them to a website of 'hobbyists' that enjoyed 'sharing' each others' poetry. It wasn't for compliments or criticisms. I wrote them only because I was inspired to write them, and to express myself.
What do you write your poems for, since you consider them 'hard work'?
As for McCartney, if he thought it was 'hard work', I doubt he wouldn't bothered with it. When you love what you do, it's not 'work'.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 3, 2019 15:45:47 GMT
I am quite familiar with that, and just because John couldn't stand Paul (for good reason), that doesn't mean he didn't also dislike that song. Mmm. “Just because the source I’m basing my opinion on and cannot disagree with is both heavily biased and emotionally invested doesn’t mean they didn’t really feel that way!” is about as sharp a basis for musical analysis as cherry picking two song fragments out of a prolific catalog as a representation of a body of lyrics. You sound like a teen who missed half the course so they padded their paper with ellipses. A good send up of the freshman nature of thread would have been to simply post the chorus of “Dear Yoko”, the several bars spent gasping on “Cold Turkey”, or the entirety of “I Want You (She’s so Heavy)” and ending it with “Looks like George and Paul wrote the deep stuff” but A) I don’t think I could bare to even *pretend* to be that vapid and B) you’d stare at it and have literally no idea of the relevance. What poor instrument do you play that has to suffer under these greenhorn snapshots of musical logic? That's your opinion.
If you picked the worst song every recorded by the Beatles, chances are Paul wrote it.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 3, 2019 16:00:30 GMT
Mmm. “Just because the source I’m basing my opinion on and cannot disagree with is both heavily biased and emotionally invested doesn’t mean they didn’t really feel that way!” is about as sharp a basis for musical analysis as cherry picking two song fragments out of a prolific catalog as a representation of a body of lyrics. You sound like a teen who missed half the course so they padded their paper with ellipses. A good send up of the freshman nature of thread would have been to simply post the chorus of “Dear Yoko”, the several bars spent gasping on “Cold Turkey”, or the entirety of “I Want You (She’s so Heavy)” and ending it with “Looks like George and Paul wrote the deep stuff” but A) I don’t think I could bare to even *pretend* to be that vapid and B) you’d stare at it and have literally no idea of the relevance. What poor instrument do you play that has to suffer under these greenhorn snapshots of musical logic? That's your opinion. Brilliant. Everyone here was wondering if their opinions were opinions. Glad you cleared it up. Sorry, meant to ask earlier, but I got distracted by the Admin outing you referring to yourself in the third person using a sock on the DB thread: what instrument do you play?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 3, 2019 16:16:24 GMT
Then link to the forum where you got "glowing reviews and feedback," or, better yet, link to a journal that you submitted them to. I'd love for you to post them on Eratosphere. Too long? So you haven't bothered to read Paradise Lost? The Prelude? Don Juan? Four Quartets? Comedian of the Letter C? Changing Light at Sandover? Considering you've never read a poetry textbook you're in no position to say "it looks very textbook," nor what the cadence resembles (or doesn't). You seem to think that hard work and inspiration are mutually exclusive. They are not. I only ever write when I'm "inspired" to write as well, I don't force myself to write just to write. That's not the point, though, because even when you're inspired to write there should be hard work that goes into it: the careful consideration of diction, line breaks, form, voice, tone, figurative language, allusions, etc. If you want me to post some short stuff I've written that certainly doesn't come from any "textbook" (beyond the fact that they're cinquains), try these--each five lines is separate poem; title is first line: Do you read books you're not interested in or that don't interest you?
I have read some of those poems that I found interesting. I don't read them just for the sake of reading them and to say I have read them.
I also never wrote poetry to receive any feedback or 'accolades', or anything else. I submitted them to a website of 'hobbyists' that enjoyed 'sharing' each others' poetry. It wasn't for compliments or criticisms. I wrote them only because I was inspired to write them, and to express myself.
What do you write your poems for, since you consider them 'hard work'?
As for McCartney, if he thought it was 'hard work', I doubt he wouldn't bothered with it. When you love what you do, it's not 'work'. I have no idea what point you're trying to make with the "read books not interesting/read poems you found interesting" stuff. You said earlier in this thread you'd read "lots of poetry," yet you don't seem to have read hardly any of the greatest poets/poems in the English language. Curious. Right, so you, knowing nothing about poetry, wrote poems because you were inspired, and shared them with others who know nothing about poetry to read. Isn't that nice. Now why don't you get the opinion of people who know what they're talking about? I write poetry for myself and a small group of family/friends who like reading them. That doesn't mean I don't care about what I write being high quality, which is why I've often sought the criticism of others in an effort to improve. Of course, if all you care about is "being inspired" then you care nothing for quality or improvement, just as long as it gives you the warm and fuzzies. LOL, what nonsense. You seem to equate hard work with being unpleasant. There are plenty of things that are hard and challenging but also fun, like solving Sudoku puzzles (something I do almost every day). Anyone who cares about what they do and wants it to be high quality puts in hard work. The alternative is being lazy and sloppy, which has produced nothing great ever.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 3, 2019 16:28:56 GMT
Brilliant. Everyone here was wondering if their opinions were opinions. Glad you cleared it up. Sorry, meant to ask earlier, but I got distracted by the Admin outing you referring to yourself in the third person using a sock on the DB thread: what instrument do you play? Do you know about what page that was on? It's already on 29 or I'd try to find it myself.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 3, 2019 16:45:25 GMT
Do you read books you're not interested in or that don't interest you?
I have read some of those poems that I found interesting. I don't read them just for the sake of reading them and to say I have read them.
I also never wrote poetry to receive any feedback or 'accolades', or anything else. I submitted them to a website of 'hobbyists' that enjoyed 'sharing' each others' poetry. It wasn't for compliments or criticisms. I wrote them only because I was inspired to write them, and to express myself.
What do you write your poems for, since you consider them 'hard work'?
As for McCartney, if he thought it was 'hard work', I doubt he wouldn't bothered with it. When you love what you do, it's not 'work'. I have no idea what point you're trying to make with the "read books not interesting/read poems you found interesting" stuff. You said earlier in this thread you'd read "lots of poetry," yet you don't seem to have read hardly any of the greatest poets/poems in the English language. Curious. Right, so you, knowing nothing about poetry, wrote poems because you were inspired, and shared them with others who know nothing about poetry to read. Isn't that nice. Now why don't you get the opinion of people who know what they're talking about? I write poetry for myself and a small group of family/friends who like reading them. That doesn't mean I don't care about what I write being high quality, which is why I've often sought the criticism of others in an effort to improve. Of course, if all you care about is "being inspired" then you care nothing for quality or improvement, just as long as it gives you the warm and fuzzies. LOL, what nonsense. You seem to equate hard work with being unpleasant. There are plenty of things that are hard and challenging but also fun, like solving Sudoku puzzles (something I do almost every day). Anyone who cares about what they do and wants it to be high quality puts in hard work. The alternative is being lazy and sloppy, which has produced nothing great ever. So in other words, no one should attempt to write a poem unless they have read all the noted poets and studied poetry and read textbooks about it? Lol
What a twit.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 3, 2019 16:45:56 GMT
Brilliant. Everyone here was wondering if their opinions were opinions. Glad you cleared it up. Sorry, meant to ask earlier, but I got distracted by the Admin outing you referring to yourself in the third person using a sock on the DB thread: what instrument do you play? What do you care what instrument I play?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 3, 2019 17:10:34 GMT
I have no idea what point you're trying to make with the "read books not interesting/read poems you found interesting" stuff. You said earlier in this thread you'd read "lots of poetry," yet you don't seem to have read hardly any of the greatest poets/poems in the English language. Curious. Right, so you, knowing nothing about poetry, wrote poems because you were inspired, and shared them with others who know nothing about poetry to read. Isn't that nice. Now why don't you get the opinion of people who know what they're talking about? I write poetry for myself and a small group of family/friends who like reading them. That doesn't mean I don't care about what I write being high quality, which is why I've often sought the criticism of others in an effort to improve. Of course, if all you care about is "being inspired" then you care nothing for quality or improvement, just as long as it gives you the warm and fuzzies. LOL, what nonsense. You seem to equate hard work with being unpleasant. There are plenty of things that are hard and challenging but also fun, like solving Sudoku puzzles (something I do almost every day). Anyone who cares about what they do and wants it to be high quality puts in hard work. The alternative is being lazy and sloppy, which has produced nothing great ever. So in other words, no one should attempt to write a poem unless they have read all the noted poets and studied poetry and read textbooks about it? Lol
What a twit.
That's not what I said at all. More like "don't act like some authoritative critic on 'poetic depth' when you haven't spent any time studying the thing you're criticizing." It's called being humble in your ignorance. Of course, ignorance + arrogance is what won you DBOTY several years ago, so, by all means, keep it up if you'd like to win again.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 3, 2019 17:11:10 GMT
Brilliant. Everyone here was wondering if their opinions were opinions. Glad you cleared it up. Sorry, meant to ask earlier, but I got distracted by the Admin outing you referring to yourself in the third person using a sock on the DB thread: what instrument do you play? What do you care what instrument I play? The same reason you cared what poetry I'd written.
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Post by petrolino on Dec 3, 2019 17:54:48 GMT
So in other words, no one should attempt to write a poem unless they have read all the noted poets and studied poetry and read textbooks about it? Lol
What a twit.
That's not what I said at all. More like "don't act like some authoritative critic on 'poetic depth' when you haven't spent any time studying the thing you're criticizing." It's called being humble in your ignorance. Of course, ignorance + arrogance is what won you DBOTY several years ago, so, by all means, keep it up if you'd like to win again.
'Ignorance & Arrogance' could be the new 'Ebony & Ivory'.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 3, 2019 22:20:12 GMT
Brilliant. Everyone here was wondering if their opinions were opinions. Glad you cleared it up. Sorry, meant to ask earlier, but I got distracted by the Admin outing you referring to yourself in the third person using a sock on the DB thread: what instrument do you play? What do you care what instrument I play? Just curious. Is it a controversial question?
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 3, 2019 22:28:02 GMT
Brilliant. Everyone here was wondering if their opinions were opinions. Glad you cleared it up. Sorry, meant to ask earlier, but I got distracted by the Admin outing you referring to yourself in the third person using a sock on the DB thread: what instrument do you play? Do you know about what page that was on? It's already on 29 or I'd try to find it myself. Holy crap... I clicked back on the thread and.... dayum. It's grown. I didn't see the actual post when Admin posted it (I think it's way back and I don't want to page through post after post of Sci-Five demonstrating she doesn't want the win by bickering about every possible tangential topic on the nom thread), I just saw a couple of people quoting and chuckling. One such: imdb2.freeforums.net/post/3470716
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 4, 2019 16:18:38 GMT
What do you care what instrument I play? Just curious. Is it a controversial question? I play guitar and ukulele. What of it?
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 4, 2019 16:21:12 GMT
Live version is less sensational, bit of a mess really. That's pretty bad. At nearly 80, he can't sing anymore, but he's too addicted to the limelight and adulation to give it up.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 4, 2019 16:35:43 GMT
That's pretty bad. At nearly 80, he can't sing anymore, but he's too addicted to the limelight and adulation to give it up. OR he simply enjoys entertaining his audiences ! Radical thought !
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 4, 2019 16:41:19 GMT
That's pretty bad. At nearly 80, he can't sing anymore, but he's too addicted to the limelight and adulation to give it up. OR he simply enjoys entertaining his audiences ! Radical thought ! So he does it for free? What is the average cost of a ticket to see him in concert? I wouldn't pay a dime to listen to that wreck. In that clip, he's doing exactly what Barry Gibb does now -- try to fake it.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 4, 2019 16:42:18 GMT
That's pretty bad. At nearly 80, he can't sing anymore, but he's too addicted to the limelight and adulation to give it up. OR he simply enjoys entertaining his audiences ! Radical thought ! Or he simply enjoys writing/playing music for its own sake. An even more radical thought! What demented human being would write/play music for fun?!
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 4, 2019 16:46:28 GMT
OR he simply enjoys entertaining his audiences ! Radical thought ! Or he simply enjoys writing/playing music for its own sake. An even more radical thought! What demented human being would write/play music for fun?! Then why does he charge people to listen to him 'have fun'? Or does he do it for free these days?
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