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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 1, 2019 11:25:51 GMT
Not a fan of Tommy, either, although I do like some of the songs. Errr, I meant moments in the libretto. Now I will be punished. But back to The Wall (no pun intended - I swear with fingers crossed), hot damn if Gilly hasn't still got it. I always thought Gilmour was underrated. He has a very fluid style and a tone all his tone. The Wall actually has three of my favorites Gilmour leads. Another Brick in the Wall (Pt 2!), Comfortably Numb, and Mother (from around 4:00-4:30 in the vid below)... Thank you. Underrated, indeed. So glad you didn't go the old But Roger Waters was the only real talent mleh, mleh, mleh... route. I've always been a Gilmour girl, and Waters is a right cunt for the interviews he's given on A Momentary Lapse of Reason. It's like, you left, man, deal. All the music that classic rockers released in the 80s got trashed by critics then, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Pink Floyd, Grateful Dead. Now they love all of it, bandwagon riders. Screw 'em.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 1, 2019 12:52:20 GMT
Pretty overrated imo. Too much filler junk like The Thin Ice, Vera, Bring the Boys Back Home, Stop, The Trial, etc. Has two of my top tracks of theirs, however: Hey You and Comfortably Numb. The Wall is not an album of tracks any more than a movie is a collection of scenes. While concept albums can produce some hits, they're usually meant to be taken as a whole, especially in The Wall's case. There are boring scenes in movies, too, but we don't skip them or single them out...unless you're young, in which case you're probably on your phone for most of it and only pay attention when something explodes. Eh, I don't really buy this argument. That might work for opera but not concept albums. Operation: Mindcrime, Quadrophenia, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Scenes from a Memory, Thick as a Brick, De-Loused in the Comatorium, Abigail, The Dark Saga, The ArchAndroid, Hubardo, Leviathan... all concept albums that don't sacrifice songs for the sake of the story.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 1, 2019 12:56:19 GMT
Not a fan of Tommy, either, although I do like some of the songs. Errr, I meant moments in the libretto. Now I will be punished. But back to The Wall (no pun intended - I swear with fingers crossed), hot damn if Gilly hasn't still got it. I always thought Gilmour was underrated. Underrated? He's practically worshiped by guitarists who favor feeling over technique. His tone is legendary and the solo to Comfortably Numb is regularly cited as one of (if not THE) best ever. He was rated 14th Greatest of all time by both Rolling Stone and Digital Dream Door. So unless you feel he's like top 5, it's hard to call him overrated.
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Post by Admin on Dec 2, 2019 1:03:00 GMT
The Wall is not an album of tracks any more than a movie is a collection of scenes. While concept albums can produce some hits, they're usually meant to be taken as a whole, especially in The Wall's case. There are boring scenes in movies, too, but we don't skip them or single them out...unless you're young, in which case you're probably on your phone for most of it and only pay attention when something explodes. Eh, I don't really buy this argument. That might work for opera but not concept albums. Operation: Mindcrime, Quadrophenia, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Scenes from a Memory, Thick as a Brick, De-Loused in the Comatorium, Abigail, The Dark Saga, The ArchAndroid, Hubardo, Leviathan... all concept albums that don't sacrifice songs for the sake of the story. Ok, but it's true. Concept albums are intended to be taken as a whole, and while there may be some exceptions, The Wall isn't one of them. I always thought Gilmour was underrated. Underrated? He's practically worshiped by guitarists who favor feeling over technique. His tone is legendary and the solo to Comfortably Numb is regularly cited as one of (if not THE) best ever. He was rated 14th Greatest of all time by both Rolling Stone and Digital Dream Door. So unless you feel he's like top 5, it's hard to call him overrated. Well, if we're going to be perfectly literal, I'll say he should have been #13 on those lists.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 2, 2019 11:35:09 GMT
Eh, I don't really buy this argument. That might work for opera but not concept albums. Operation: Mindcrime, Quadrophenia, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Scenes from a Memory, Thick as a Brick, De-Loused in the Comatorium, Abigail, The Dark Saga, The ArchAndroid, Hubardo, Leviathan... all concept albums that don't sacrifice songs for the sake of the story. Ok, but it's true. Concept albums are intended to be taken as a whole, and while there may be some exceptions, The Wall isn't one of them. Underrated? He's practically worshiped by guitarists who favor feeling over technique. His tone is legendary and the solo to Comfortably Numb is regularly cited as one of (if not THE) best ever. He was rated 14th Greatest of all time by both Rolling Stone and Digital Dream Door. So unless you feel he's like top 5, it's hard to call him overrated. Well, if we're going to be perfectly literal, I'll say he should have been #13 on those lists. I agree that concept albums are intended to be taken as a whole, I just disagree that that necessarily means that the songs can't/shouldn't work well in isolation. To me, it just means they should work better in the context of the album/story. Well, I say he should've been #15. Come at me, bro.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 2, 2019 21:12:58 GMT
I always thought Gilmour was underrated. Underrated? He's practically worshiped by guitarists who favor feeling over technique. His tone is legendary and the solo to Comfortably Numb is regularly cited as one of (if not THE) best ever. He was rated 14th Greatest of all time by both Rolling Stone and Digital Dream Door. So unless you feel he's like top 5, it's hard to call him overrated. Oh, my bad. He must have thought I was daft for my response to his post there; I'd thought he'd meant underrated within Pink Floyd, in the old Gilmour versus Waters debate. What do you think of this Australian spitfire?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2019 23:03:42 GMT
I remember when it came out. Every turntable in the suburbs had it on. Has my 2nd favorite PF tune, Mother, not Comfortably Dumb. And their last great moment, everything that followed was drivel. I did get analyzed to death though. God, classic rock fans love songs with murky lyrics. Hotel California, Bohemian Rhapsody. Stairway to Heaven, Comfortably Dumb. "Dude, what do you thing they meant by 'a bustle in your hedgerow'? I think it meant to pack another bowl!"
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2019 23:06:58 GMT
I always thought Gilmour was underrated. Underrated? He's practically worshiped by guitarists who favor feeling over technique. His tone is legendary and the solo to Comfortably Numb is regularly cited as one of (if not THE) best ever. He was rated 14th Greatest of all time by both Rolling Stone and Digital Dream Door. So unless you feel he's like top 5, it's hard to call him overrated. I always thought Pigs was one of Waters greatest bass moments ever. Took me some time to learn the Gilmour played bass, not Waters.
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Post by Admin on Dec 3, 2019 0:00:55 GMT
Ok, but it's true. Concept albums are intended to be taken as a whole, and while there may be some exceptions, The Wall isn't one of them. Well, if we're going to be perfectly literal, I'll say he should have been #13 on those lists. I agree that concept albums are intended to be taken as a whole, I just disagree that that necessarily means that the songs can't/shouldn't work well in isolation. To me, it just means they should work better in the context of the album/story. It would appear that either I misspoke or you misread because I don't recall saying otherwise. Hell, I'll even go so far as to say there are parts of songs that work well in isolation. A/B repeat FTW. So he's overrated, then?
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Post by Admin on Dec 3, 2019 3:18:04 GMT
Underrated? He's practically worshiped by guitarists who favor feeling over technique. His tone is legendary and the solo to Comfortably Numb is regularly cited as one of (if not THE) best ever. He was rated 14th Greatest of all time by both Rolling Stone and Digital Dream Door. So unless you feel he's like top 5, it's hard to call him overrated. Oh, my bad. He must have thought I was daft for my response to his post there; I'd thought he'd meant underrated within Pink Floyd, in the old Gilmour versus Waters debate. Actually, I meant it in more of a colloquial sense, but now that you mention it, I'd say they complemented each other. Gilmour is a great player, but without Waters, we have shit like The Endless River. I loved her when she first came onto the scene with Violet Journey, and I was happy to see her being noticed (and employed) by the likes of Carlos Santana, Steve Vai, and Alice Cooper. But she took a wrong turn on my map when she started doing teen pop. The playing is still there, and it's nice to see someone putting the solos back into pop music, but it just wasn't the same. Those bangs always bothered me anyway. lol
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Post by Admin on Dec 3, 2019 3:22:21 GMT
I remember when it came out. Every turntable in the suburbs had it on. Has my 2nd favorite PF tune, Mother, not Comfortably Dumb. And their last great moment, everything that followed was drivel. I did get analyzed to death though. God, classic rock fans love songs with murky lyrics. Hotel California, Bohemian Rhapsody. Stairway to Heaven, Comfortably Dumb. "Dude, what do you thing they meant by 'a bustle in your hedgerow'? I think it meant to pack another bowl!" youtu.be/HLitk19-7GMJust sayin'.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 3, 2019 3:52:25 GMT
Oh, my bad. He must have thought I was daft for my response to his post there; I'd thought he'd meant underrated within Pink Floyd, in the old Gilmour versus Waters debate. Actually, I meant it in more of a colloquial sense, but now that you mention it, I'd say they complemented each other. Gilmour is a great player, but without Waters, we have shit like The Endless River. I loved her when she first came onto the scene with Violet Journey, and I was happy to see her being noticed (and employed) by the likes of Carlos Santana, Steve Vai, and Alice Cooper. But she took a wrong turn on my map when she started doing teen pop. The playing is still there, and it's nice to see someone putting the solos back into pop music, but it just wasn't the same. Those bangs always bothered me anyway. lol Endless River? Awww, lol, I literally would not have heard of her when I did in 2009 if she hadn't done According to You.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 3, 2019 3:56:20 GMT
I remember when it came out. Every turntable in the suburbs had it on. Has my 2nd favorite PF tune, Mother, not Comfortably Dumb. And their last great moment, everything that followed was drivel. I did get analyzed to death though. God, classic rock fans love songs with murky lyrics. Hotel California, Bohemian Rhapsody. Stairway to Heaven, Comfortably Dumb. "Dude, what do you thing they meant by 'a bustle in your hedgerow'? I think it meant to pack another bowl!" youtu.be/HLitk19-7GMJust sayin'. The nighttime DJ on the local classic rock station HATES Comfortably Numb and isn't shy about saying it. He always calls in "Comfortably Dumb" and rags on someone who requests it.
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Post by Admin on Dec 3, 2019 3:57:34 GMT
Actually, I meant it in more of a colloquial sense, but now that you mention it, I'd say they complemented each other. Gilmour is a great player, but without Waters, we have shit like The Endless River. I loved her when she first came onto the scene with Violet Journey, and I was happy to see her being noticed (and employed) by the likes of Carlos Santana, Steve Vai, and Alice Cooper. But she took a wrong turn on my map when she started doing teen pop. The playing is still there, and it's nice to see someone putting the solos back into pop music, but it just wasn't the same. Those bangs always bothered me anyway. lol Endless River? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Endless_RiverThat's when I started losing interest...
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Post by Admin on Dec 3, 2019 4:00:38 GMT
The nighttime DJ on the local classic rock station HATES Comfortably Numb and isn't shy about saying it. He always calls in "Comfortably Dumb" and rags on someone who requests it. It's got a great guitar solo in it that I could listen to over and over again all day long. I think Extreme should get royalties every time he says it on the air.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 3, 2019 4:10:01 GMT
Can I argue that it's what happens when Richard Wright dies?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 3, 2019 4:11:52 GMT
The nighttime DJ on the local classic rock station HATES Comfortably Numb and isn't shy about saying it. He always calls in "Comfortably Dumb" and rags on someone who requests it. It's got a great guitar solo in it that I could listen to over and over again all day long. I think Extreme should get royalties every time he says it on the air. No Slick Tom should get royalties from Extreme. He been putting down the song since the mid 80's. He's been doing the nighttime request show for as long as I remember and it's the only time you get to hear the deep cuts. So he gets mad if someone requests the "same old shit". 15 studio albums and you have to hear Comfortably Dumb? What, has it been a whole hour since you heard it? He really snaps if someone requests Stairway to Heaven or Free Bird. And he's pure comedy if someone doofus request something non Classic Rock. "Umm, can you play Like a Virgin by Madonna?' "
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Post by Admin on Dec 3, 2019 4:20:50 GMT
Can I argue that it's what happens when Richard Wright dies? Sure! Delicate Sound of Thunder and The Division Bell both have some really great moments on them, and Waters' solo records are good but leave a lot to be desired. I figured it was because they were picking up the scraps left by Waters, but you may be onto something there.
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Post by Admin on Dec 3, 2019 4:22:22 GMT
It's got a great guitar solo in it that I could listen to over and over again all day long. I think Extreme should get royalties every time he says it on the air. No Slick Tom should get royalties from Extreme. He been putting down the song since the mid 80's. He's been doing the nighttime request show for as long as I remember and it's the only time you get to hear the deep cuts. So he gets mad if someone requests the "same old shit". 15 studio albums and you have to hear Comfortably Dumb? What, has it been a whole hour since you heard it? He really snaps if someone requests Stairway to Heaven or Free Bird. And he's pure comedy if someone doofus request something non Classic Rock. "Umm, can you play Like a Virgin by Madonna?' "
Sounds like a good show. Can I stream it somewhere?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 3, 2019 4:29:01 GMT
No Slick Tom should get royalties from Extreme. He been putting down the song since the mid 80's. He's been doing the nighttime request show for as long as I remember and it's the only time you get to hear the deep cuts. So he gets mad if someone requests the "same old shit". 15 studio albums and you have to hear Comfortably Dumb? What, has it been a whole hour since you heard it? He really snaps if someone requests Stairway to Heaven or Free Bird. And he's pure comedy if someone doofus request something non Classic Rock. "Umm, can you play Like a Virgin by Madonna?' "
Sounds like a good show. Can I stream it somewhere?
He doesn't get as many requests as he used to and the dopey requests are few and far between. Only listen to Slick Tom Tiberi and the "Open Bar" from 7 pm to 12 am, unless you like hearing the same old shit. He does get a few unintelligible drunks and they're fun.
Just started streaming radio again and was listening to Q104 in NYC's top 1046 songs. 19 years running, Stairway to Heaven is #1. Hell, even hereFree Bird wins once in a while.
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