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Post by hi224 on Dec 2, 2019 4:35:41 GMT
it happened anyone have an interpretation?.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 2, 2019 4:41:57 GMT
The way I see it her bitterness caused her to do something horrible and that bitterness came from her false hope about success in a cold industry like Hollywood.
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Post by ShadowSouL on Sept 7, 2021 4:27:47 GMT
The way I see it her bitterness caused her to do something horrible and that bitterness came from her false hope about success in a cold industry like Hollywood. You know, that is a very fresh and interesting interpretation that doesn't involve dreams and fantasy and reality versus unreality. Everything that happens in that movie can be explained narratively without the necessitation of dreams and nightmares. However, there are hallucinations in it, such as the blue box, the old couple, etc., but those are obvious.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 7, 2021 4:34:48 GMT
The way I see it her bitterness caused her to do something horrible and that bitterness came from her false hope about success in a cold industry like Hollywood. You know, that is a very fresh and interesting interpretation that doesn't involve dreams and fantasy and reality versus unreality. Everything that happens in that movie can be explained narratively without the necessitation of dreams and nightmares. However, there are hallucinations in it, such as the blue box, the old couple, etc., but those are obvious. The only parts I see as literally happening are the scenes after the box is opened. The rest of the movie is clearly taking place in her mind, whether it is a dream/nightmare or her subconscious tormenting her before she commits suicide. Lost Highway is very similar to me, though not as effective.
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Post by mikef6 on Sept 7, 2021 4:45:56 GMT
You know, that is a very fresh and interesting interpretation that doesn't involve dreams and fantasy and reality versus unreality. Everything that happens in that movie can be explained narratively without the necessitation of dreams and nightmares. However, there are hallucinations in it, such as the blue box, the old couple, etc., but those are obvious. The only parts I see as literally happening are the scenes after the box is opened. The rest of the movie is clearly taking place in her mind, whether it is a dream/nightmare or her subconscious tormenting her before she commits suicide. Lost Highway is very similar to me, though not as effective. Yes. I always took it as a moment of death hallucination .
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 7, 2021 4:49:00 GMT
The only parts I see as literally happening are the scenes after the box is opened. The rest of the movie is clearly taking place in her mind, whether it is a dream/nightmare or her subconscious tormenting her before she commits suicide. Lost Highway is very similar to me, though not as effective. Yes. I always took it as a moment of death hallucination . Similar. That is what I felt once, but I think some of it takes place before she commits suicide (what led her to suicide) and some of it is while her brain is dying until "silence" That is the actual moment of death. This is a movie that I once found very frustrating and hard to get into. I even stopped watching half-way through the first time. It has since grown on me, slowly having reached a higher rating from me each time. I now rate it 7.5/10.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 7, 2021 5:01:41 GMT
The only parts I see as literally happening are the scenes after the box is opened. The rest of the movie is clearly taking place in her mind, whether it is a dream/nightmare or her subconscious tormenting her before she commits suicide. Lost Highway is very similar to me, though not as effective. Yes. I always took it as a moment of death hallucination . One of my favorite scenes ever is the scene where in the dream when she first meets the director and they glance at eachother and the look she gives is very uncomfortable and scared, like she is remembering her sad reality within the dream. The group singing 16 reasons adds so much. It is the most haunting scene of Lynch's career imo. It is a very sad movie about self-destruction and what the world can do to you if you are vulnerable.
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Post by ShadowSouL on Sept 7, 2021 5:26:10 GMT
Yes. I always took it as a moment of death hallucination . Similar. That is what I felt once, but I think some of it takes place before she commits suicide (what led her to suicide) and some of it is while her brain is dying until "silence" That is the actual moment of death. This is a movie that I once found very frustrating and hard to get into. I even stopped watching half-way through the first time. It has since grown on me, slowly having reached a higher rating from me each time. I now rate it 7.5/10. Could it not be that the first 2/3 of the movie takes place before and is what leads to her suicide? For example, Rita not remembering her real name or who she is could be a result of what Diane sets in motion at the diner in the last act. Then Diane takes on a different name as part of the ruse as she leads Rita around. Rita's recognition of the waitress's name jogs her memory a little bit, but not a lot, to the person who is really actually behind all of this. Then by the last act, it all becomes clear, including Rita's memory and her actual identify and life. But then as I write this, I realize that while for the most part it makes linear narrative sense, there are some parts that don't, especially in the last act. Because even though I said the last act sets off the first two acts, the first two acts then come back to that same point in the last act. Is it then possible that the first two acts take place in between certain events in the last act, making this a nondream nonlinear narrative? Then again, there are still bits and parts and pieces that throw this all out of whack. But I think that's part of what makes this film so intriguing, no matter how you try to explain and interpret it, whether right or wrong. By the way, let me just get this out there: Much has been made of the supposedly sensational love/sex scenes between Laura Elena Harring and Naomi Watts, and while literally titillating, they really are tame by Hollywood sex scene standards. They don't even border on or come anywhere close to softcore porn. They're basically nude kissing scenes. That's basically it. But still nice to look at, and no two better female leads to look at.
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Post by ShadowSouL on Sept 7, 2021 5:30:01 GMT
Regardless of what is real and what is not real in the film, the one scene that gets me the most out of all the scenes in the movie is that single tear streaming down Naomi Watts' face at the party near the end of the movie.
That one shot says it all and sums the movie up for me perfectly.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 7, 2021 5:32:24 GMT
Similar. That is what I felt once, but I think some of it takes place before she commits suicide (what led her to suicide) and some of it is while her brain is dying until "silence" That is the actual moment of death. This is a movie that I once found very frustrating and hard to get into. I even stopped watching half-way through the first time. It has since grown on me, slowly having reached a higher rating from me each time. I now rate it 7.5/10. Could it not be that the first 2/3 of the movie takes place before and is what leads to her suicide? For example, Rita not remembering her real name or who she is could be a result of what Diane sets in motion at the diner in the last act. Then Diane takes on a different name as part of the ruse as she leads Rita around. Rita's recognition of the waitress's name jogs her memory a little bit, but not a lot, to the person who is really actually behind all of this. Then by the last act, it all becomes clear, including Rita's memory and her actual identify and life. But then as I write this, I realize that while for the most part it makes linear narrative sense, there are some parts that don't, especially in the last act. Because even though I said the last act sets off the first two acts, the first two acts then come back to that same point in the last act. Is it then possible that the first two acts take place in between certain events in the last act, making this a nondream nonlinear narrative? Then again, there are still bits and parts and pieces that throw this all out of whack. But I think that's part of what makes this film so intriguing, no matter how you try to explain and interpret it, whether right or wrong. By the way, let me just get this out there: Much has been made of the supposedly sensational love/sex scenes between Laura Elena Harring and Naomi Watts, and while literally titillating, they really are tame by Hollywood sex scene standards. They don't even border on or come anywhere close to softcore porn. They're basically nude kissing scenes. That's basically it. But still nice to look at, and no two better female leads to look at. It really kind of ruins the experience for me. These types of conversations. No offense. I appreciate that you want to discuss it further, but it isn't really something I like to do.
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Post by ShadowSouL on Sept 9, 2021 3:47:00 GMT
Could it not be that the first 2/3 of the movie takes place before and is what leads to her suicide? For example, Rita not remembering her real name or who she is could be a result of what Diane sets in motion at the diner in the last act. Then Diane takes on a different name as part of the ruse as she leads Rita around. Rita's recognition of the waitress's name jogs her memory a little bit, but not a lot, to the person who is really actually behind all of this. Then by the last act, it all becomes clear, including Rita's memory and her actual identify and life. But then as I write this, I realize that while for the most part it makes linear narrative sense, there are some parts that don't, especially in the last act. Because even though I said the last act sets off the first two acts, the first two acts then come back to that same point in the last act. Is it then possible that the first two acts take place in between certain events in the last act, making this a nondream nonlinear narrative? Then again, there are still bits and parts and pieces that throw this all out of whack. But I think that's part of what makes this film so intriguing, no matter how you try to explain and interpret it, whether right or wrong. By the way, let me just get this out there: Much has been made of the supposedly sensational love/sex scenes between Laura Elena Harring and Naomi Watts, and while literally titillating, they really are tame by Hollywood sex scene standards. They don't even border on or come anywhere close to softcore porn. They're basically nude kissing scenes. That's basically it. But still nice to look at, and no two better female leads to look at. It really kind of ruins the experience for me. These types of conversations. No offense. I appreciate that you want to discuss it further, but it isn't really something I like to do. I totally get that. On the other hand, a movie that makes me want to talk and think about these things enhances the experience for me because it keeps it fresh and relevant. A lot of movies, even exceptional, classic ones, don't have this kind of existential or transcendental or even entertainment value and are good for just one viewing and that's it. As the old adage goes, to each their own.
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Post by hi224 on Sept 10, 2021 1:56:14 GMT
It really kind of ruins the experience for me. These types of conversations. No offense. I appreciate that you want to discuss it further, but it isn't really something I like to do. I totally get that. On the other hand, a movie that makes me want to talk and think about these things enhances the experience for me because it keeps it fresh and relevant. A lot of movies, even exceptional, classic ones, don't have this kind of existential or transcendental or even entertainment value and are good for just one viewing and that's it. As the old adage goes, to each their own. What did you think of the cowboy. |
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Post by hi224 on Sept 10, 2021 2:56:04 GMT
Regardless of what is real and what is not real in the film, the one scene that gets me the most out of all the scenes in the movie is that single tear streaming down Naomi Watts' face at the party near the end of the movie. That one shot says it all and sums the movie up for me perfectly. I always find the shot of the director basically staring at Diana forlorn because she's so far gone she can't really perceive it at all. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 10, 2021 4:08:58 GMT
I still don't get the movie.
2001 ASO, that I get.
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Post by hi224 on Sept 10, 2021 4:11:26 GMT
I still don't get the movie. 2001 ASO, that I get. Your saying you get the other movie instead?. |
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Post by ShadowSouL on Sept 12, 2021 3:26:57 GMT
I totally get that. On the other hand, a movie that makes me want to talk and think about these things enhances the experience for me because it keeps it fresh and relevant. A lot of movies, even exceptional, classic ones, don't have this kind of existential or transcendental or even entertainment value and are good for just one viewing and that's it. As the old adage goes, to each their own. What did you think of the cowboy. If nothing else, the cowboy is quite enigmatic.
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Post by ShadowSouL on Sept 12, 2021 3:28:09 GMT
Regardless of what is real and what is not real in the film, the one scene that gets me the most out of all the scenes in the movie is that single tear streaming down Naomi Watts' face at the party near the end of the movie. That one shot says it all and sums the movie up for me perfectly. I always find the shot of the director basically staring at Diana forlorn because she's so far gone she can't really perceive it at all. Interesting.
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Post by ShadowSouL on Sept 12, 2021 3:38:25 GMT
You know, for all the talk of the first 2/3's of the movie being the dying dream/consciousness/subconscious of Diane Selwyn, how and why is it that she is "dreaming" of other characters in interactions that don't involve her, for example, the escapades of the director and the hitman?
I don't recall ever dreaming of anything that didn't involve me, unless it was something I was merely observing or living vicariously through, such as dreaming of watching movies or anticipating in dreams something I am looking forward to that I am not personally involved in.
Also, whatever is happening in the last act of the movie is not what David Lynch's original intention was, as he filmed it almost a year or two later after the first 2/3's of the movie was completed and rejected as a TV series.
So it could be that the first 2/3's of the movie are what is real, and maybe the add-on last act may be Betty Elms' fantasized fears of how she might end up.
Or everything in the movie is real up until Betty/Diane starts having those cocaine-induced hallucinations and she offs herself, and only those final images of her and Rita/Camilla superimposed over Hollywood are the dream or the final images in her dying consciousness.
Ultimately, I think it's entirely possible that even David Lynch doesn't know what's going on in his own movie.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Sept 12, 2021 16:26:11 GMT
I only remember it, being more confusing for me than the blue velvet ending. That's all i recall.
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Post by hi224 on Sept 12, 2021 17:29:46 GMT
I only remember it, being more confusing for me than the blue velvet ending. That's all i recall. No need to respond then perhaps. |
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