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Post by Jayman on Dec 4, 2019 3:09:55 GMT
I never heard of it till like 10 years ago
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Post by Nora on Dec 4, 2019 3:11:12 GMT
I never heard of it till like 10 years ago I have never heard about it till like 10 minutes ago  |
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Post by gameboy on Dec 4, 2019 4:06:08 GMT
Of course from the progs it's the same old leftist talking points: if you say anything even remotely negative against blacks then you're automatically a racist. The idiot above who went on a tirade about slavery and blacks celebrating their heritage, he does realize that slaves who were brought to the new world were from western Africa and that the word Kwanzaa is a Swahili/South African term? Truth is, Kwanzaa was made up by a black separatist while he was in prison. Also, as I said, in all my years(Kwanzaa was created in the 60's) and I've never seen anyone celebrate it. Not to mention that the creator was a staunch racist and the holiday itself was born out of his racism. But don't criticize it. Oh, and to the peolzig idiot, yeah I'm such a racist that I adopted a black child. And me a lib, LOL. If you say so. African-Americans are a new ethnicity as they are a mix of different West and Central African peoples. No one claims Kwanzaa is a traditional holiday in Africa. It was invented by African-Americans to celebrate their lost heritage. The word "Kwanzaa" is Swahili from East Africa, not South Africa. Who gives a rat's ass if the West didn't enslave native speakers of Swahili? It's a new holiday for African-Americans and reflects their mixed African heritage. Now I see why the experts, the National Association of Black Social Workers, are against placing black children with white foster and adoptive parents. Your racism is palpable and it will have a negative impact on your children. cdn.ymaws.com/www.nabsw.org/resource/collection/E1582D77-E4CD-4104-996A-D42D08F9CA7D/NABSW_Trans-Racial_Adoption_1972_Position_(b).pdfWhy in hell do you begrudge African-Americans for creating a unique holiday to celebrate their heritage? It's frankly none of your business. Oh, I know why, you're racist. 
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Post by Chickaboom on Dec 4, 2019 10:36:38 GMT
GirltheGrey celebrates Kwanzaa ( gameboy). I never have, but I fully support another African-American's right to do so if they wish. It's no skin off of my back one way or the other which holiday someone chooses to celebrate. To each their own. |
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Dec 4, 2019 10:50:15 GMT
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Post by Chickaboom on Dec 4, 2019 10:50:15 GMT
Of course from the progs it's the same old leftist talking points: if you say anything even remotely negative against blacks then you're automatically a racist. The idiot above who went on a tirade about slavery and blacks celebrating their heritage, he does realize that slaves who were brought to the new world were from western Africa and that the word Kwanzaa is a Swahili/South African term? Truth is, Kwanzaa was made up by a black separatist while he was in prison. Also, as I said, in all my years(Kwanzaa was created in the 60's) and I've never seen anyone celebrate it. Not to mention that the creator was a staunch racist and the holiday itself was born out of his racism. But don't criticize it. Oh, and to the peolzig idiot, yeah I'm such a racist that I adopted a black child. And me a lib, LOL. If you say so. African-Americans are a new ethnicity as they are a mix of different West and Central African peoples. No one claims Kwanzaa is a traditional holiday in Africa. It was invented by African-Americans to celebrate their lost heritage. The word "Kwanzaa" is Swahili from East Africa, not South Africa. Who gives a rat's ass if the West didn't enslave native speakers of Swahili? It's a new holiday for African-Americans and reflects their mixed African heritage. Now I see why the experts, the National Association of Black Social Workers, are against placing black children with white foster and adoptive parents. Your racism is palpable and it will have a negative impact on your children. cdn.ymaws.com/www.nabsw.org/resource/collection/E1582D77-E4CD-4104-996A-D42D08F9CA7D/NABSW_Trans-Racial_Adoption_1972_Position_(b).pdfWhy in hell do you begrudge African-Americans for creating a unique holiday to celebrate their heritage? It's frankly none of your business. Oh, I know why, you're racist. I sent you something on the other board. Check your PMs. Let me know what you think. |
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Post by gameboy on Dec 4, 2019 16:17:37 GMT
GirltheGrey celebrates Kwanzaa ( gameboy ). I never have, but I fully support another African-American's right to do so if they wish. It's no skin off of my back one way or the other which holiday someone chooses to celebrate. To each their own. I worked at a company 20 years ago which gave all the African-Americans a floating holiday on Kwanzaa. They all took that day off. It's really doesn't affect me or any white person if African-Americans celebrate Kwanzaa. I'm very suspicious of the white fools on this thread who have such strong feelings against it. Why? I'm curious what you think of the National Association of Black Social Workers advising that white couples not adopt or foster black children. I've debated this with the OP before. He is white and I suspect he has racist tendencies but has adopted a black child. I think that illustrates why the NABSW advocates against interracial adoption.
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 4, 2019 19:37:48 GMT
GirltheGrey celebrates Kwanzaa ( gameboy ). I never have, but I fully support another African-American's right to do so if they wish. It's no skin off of my back one way or the other which holiday someone chooses to celebrate. To each their own. I worked at a company 20 years ago which gave all the African-Americans a floating holiday on Kwanzaa. They all took that day off. It's really doesn't affect me or any white person if African-Americans celebrate Kwanzaa. I'm very suspicious of the white fools on this thread who have such strong feelings against it. Why? I'm curious what you think of the National Association of Black Social Workers advising that white couples not adopt or foster black children. I've debated this with the OP before. He is white and I suspect he has racist tendencies but has adopted a black child. I think that illustrates why the NABSW advocates against interracial adoption. Most of the heated words on this thread have been about the Irish. It’s like they colonised Kwanzaa or something.
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Post by gameboy on Dec 4, 2019 20:25:02 GMT
I worked at a company 20 years ago which gave all the African-Americans a floating holiday on Kwanzaa. They all took that day off. It's really doesn't affect me or any white person if African-Americans celebrate Kwanzaa. I'm very suspicious of the white fools on this thread who have such strong feelings against it. Why? I'm curious what you think of the National Association of Black Social Workers advising that white couples not adopt or foster black children. I've debated this with the OP before. He is white and I suspect he has racist tendencies but has adopted a black child. I think that illustrates why the NABSW advocates against interracial adoption. Most of the heated words on this thread have been about the Irish. It’s like they colonised Kwanzaa or something. Classic example of a hijacked thread. Can we just talk about Kwanzaa?
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Dec 4, 2019 20:58:57 GMT
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Post by Chickaboom on Dec 4, 2019 20:58:57 GMT
To be honest, GB..
Black people as a whole don't really give a lot of consideration as to whether our culture and customs are accepted by the masses or not. We don't go around asking for permission to celebrate Kwanzaa, Black History Month, Juneteeth, or anything that commemorates and celebrates OUR heritage. We don't ask why, because we don't care.
Now to answer the second part of your question..
As you know, I'm in an interracial relationship, so any children that are born from our union will have the added benefit of being exposed to both sides of their culture. Transracial adoptees, aren't so fortunate.
Unless of course, that child has some exposure to other people of color who share their birth culture/racial identity, and the adoptive parent is willing to teach that child about their cultural heritage. Otherwise, the child will grow up feeling the negative impact of being shut off from a part of themselves.
Even if they attempt to raise their adoptive child as "colorblind", they will still have to learn how to navigate through this world and white spaces as a person of color. Non-white and minority children, are taught these skills by our parents at a young age.
Can a white parent provide all of these things to a child of color? That would depend on the parent. I'm neither for or against transracial adoptions, but I am a staunch supporter of raising every child with a positive self-image, and a healthy, well-rounded sense of self-worth and cultural identity.
On a side note: Azn could weigh in on this discussion, and give some great commentary here. She's a KAD who was raised by white parents. It didn't turn out so great for her in the end, because she was cut off from her culture.
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Post by gameboy on Dec 5, 2019 7:00:52 GMT
To be honest, GB.. Black people as a whole don't really give a lot of consideration as to whether our culture and customs are accepted by the masses or not. We don't go around asking for permission to celebrate Kwanzaa, Black History Month, Juneteeth, or anything that commemorates and celebrates OUR heritage. We don't ask why, because we don't care. Now to answer the second part of your question.. As you know, I'm in an interracial relationship, so any children that are born from our union will have the added benefit of being exposed to both sides of their culture. Transracial adoptees, aren't so fortunate. Unless of course, that child has some exposure to other people of color who share their birth culture/racial identity, and the adoptive parent is willing to teach that child about their cultural heritage. Otherwise, the child will grow up feeling the negative impact of being shut off from a part of themselves. Even if they attempt to raise their adoptive child as "colorblind", they will still have to learn how to navigate through this world and white spaces as a person of color. Non-white and minority children, are taught these skills by our parents at a young age. Can a white parent provide all of these things to a child of color? That would depend on the parent. I'm neither for or against transracial adoptions, but I am a staunch supporter of raising every child with a positive self-image, and a healthy, well-rounded sense of self-worth and cultural identity. On a side note: Azn could weigh in on this discussion, and give some great commentary here. She's a KAD who was raised by white parents. It didn't turn out so great for her in the end, because she was cut off from her culture. I've always thought it didn't matter if whites adopt black children and vice versa. However, reading the responses on this thread of a white man who adopted a black child, but he seems to have a kneejerk opposition to a holiday like Kwanzaa, makes me wonder if whites are really up to the task of preparing a black child to live in our racist society. I have a good friend who is Korean and was adopted and raised by a wealthy white couple. This guy has zero knowledge of Korean culture, acts like a spoiled rich white brat, and doesn't seem to feel any need to explore Korean culture. I guess that works for him. I will say it might be a different for Asians adopted by whites because there is not the same history in the U.S. of slavery and oppression towards Asians as for blacks. As for Azn, that girl hates my guts now all a sudden for some reason, and her input here would be just the usual ranting and personal attacks.
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Dec 5, 2019 7:54:04 GMT
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Post by Chickaboom on Dec 5, 2019 7:54:04 GMT
To be honest, GB.. Black people as a whole don't really give a lot of consideration as to whether our culture and customs are accepted by the masses or not. We don't go around asking for permission to celebrate Kwanzaa, Black History Month, Juneteeth, or anything that commemorates and celebrates OUR heritage. We don't ask why, because we don't care. Now to answer the second part of your question.. As you know, I'm in an interracial relationship, so any children that are born from our union will have the added benefit of being exposed to both sides of their culture. Transracial adoptees, aren't so fortunate. Unless of course, that child has some exposure to other people of color who share their birth culture/racial identity, and the adoptive parent is willing to teach that child about their cultural heritage. Otherwise, the child will grow up feeling the negative impact of being shut off from a part of themselves. Even if they attempt to raise their adoptive child as "colorblind", they will still have to learn how to navigate through this world and white spaces as a person of color. Non-white and minority children, are taught these skills by our parents at a young age. Can a white parent provide all of these things to a child of color? That would depend on the parent. I'm neither for or against transracial adoptions, but I am a staunch supporter of raising every child with a positive self-image, and a healthy, well-rounded sense of self-worth and cultural identity. On a side note: Azn could weigh in on this discussion, and give some great commentary here. She's a KAD who was raised by white parents. It didn't turn out so great for her in the end, because she was cut off from her culture. I've always thought it didn't matter if whites adopt black children and vice versa. However, reading the responses on this thread of a white man who adopted a black child, but he seems to have a kneejerk opposition to a holiday like Kwanzaa, makes me wonder if whites are really up to the task of preparing a black child to live in our racist society. I have a good friend who is Korean and was adopted and raised by a wealthy white couple. This guy has zero knowledge of Korean culture, acts like a spoiled rich white brat, and doesn't seem to feel any need to explore Korean culture. I guess that works for him. I will say it might be a different for Asians adopted by whites because there is not the same history in the U.S. of slavery and oppression towards Asians as for blacks. As for Azn, that girl hates my guts now all a sudden for some reason, and her input here would be just the usual ranting and personal attacks. I'll say one thing.. It's not a good sign when you can't even acknowledge African-Americans as a people with our own culture and unique way of life, and would rather use monolithic descriptors such as "the blacks" to refer to us solely by color. Asian-Americans are more readily accepted into white society, than we people of African descent. So they can navigate more freely through those spaces in most instances. This is the very thing that irks Azn. How some Asian people who were raised in Western societies are quick to assimilate into the dominant culture, while at the same time rejecting the one of their birth. |
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Post by gameboy on Dec 5, 2019 8:03:51 GMT
I've always thought it didn't matter if whites adopt black children and vice versa. However, reading the responses on this thread of a white man who adopted a black child, but he seems to have a kneejerk opposition to a holiday like Kwanzaa, makes me wonder if whites are really up to the task of preparing a black child to live in our racist society. I have a good friend who is Korean and was adopted and raised by a wealthy white couple. This guy has zero knowledge of Korean culture, acts like a spoiled rich white brat, and doesn't seem to feel any need to explore Korean culture. I guess that works for him. I will say it might be a different for Asians adopted by whites because there is not the same history in the U.S. of slavery and oppression towards Asians as for blacks. As for Azn, that girl hates my guts now all a sudden for some reason, and her input here would be just the usual ranting and personal attacks. I'll say one thing.. It's not a good sign when you can't even acknowledge African-Americans as a people with our own culture and unique way of life, and would rather use monolithic descriptors such as "the blacks" to refer to us solely by color. Asian-Americans are more readily accepted into white society, than we people of African descent. So they can navigate more freely through those spaces in most instances. That is the very thing that irks Azn. How some Asian people who were raised in Western societies are quick to assimilate into the dominant culture, while at the same time rejecting the one of their birth. Azn will say she's being attacked by another poster, like Ebony for example. But upon a little investigation, it turns out that Ebony didn't attack Azn at all. She may have just said something about liking a white guy. Lol. Azn is nuts. Many of the Asians I know are as assimilated as I am as a Greek-American. I don't even speak Greek. It's not an issue especially in America.
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Post by Chickaboom on Dec 5, 2019 8:21:38 GMT
I'll say one thing.. It's not a good sign when you can't even acknowledge African-Americans as a people with our own culture and unique way of life, and would rather use monolithic descriptors such as "the blacks" to refer to us solely by color. Asian-Americans are more readily accepted into white society, than we people of African descent. So they can navigate more freely through those spaces in most instances. That is the very thing that irks Azn. How some Asian people who were raised in Western societies are quick to assimilate into the dominant culture, while at the same time rejecting the one of their birth. Azn will say she's being attacked by another poster, like Ebony for example. But upon a little investigation, it turns out that Ebony didn't attack Azn at all. She may have just said something about liking a white guy. Lol. Azn is nuts. Many of the Asians I know are as assimilated as I am as a Greek-American. I don't even speak Greek. It's not an issue especially in America. Many of my Asian-American friends (East Asian, South Asian, etc) who were raised by two Asian parents, have been able to assimilate into Western culture, while retaining their own. I think in Azn's case.. She is referring to people like Ebony, AJ, and Christina, who she feels prefers the dominant culture, as they seek to actively erase all remnants of their heritage. |
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Post by gameboy on Dec 5, 2019 8:40:40 GMT
Azn will say she's being attacked by another poster, like Ebony for example. But upon a little investigation, it turns out that Ebony didn't attack Azn at all. She may have just said something about liking a white guy. Lol. Azn is nuts. Many of the Asians I know are as assimilated as I am as a Greek-American. I don't even speak Greek. It's not an issue especially in America. Many of my Asian-American friends (East Asian, South Asian, etc) who were raised by two Asian parents, have been able to assimilate into Western culture, while retaining their own. I think in Azn's case.. She is referring to people like Ebony, AJ, and Christina, who she feels prefers the dominant culture, as they seek to actively erase all remnants of their heritage. Yes but one can assimilate and still be proud of their heritage.
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Dec 5, 2019 8:43:17 GMT
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Post by Chickaboom on Dec 5, 2019 8:43:17 GMT
Many of my Asian-American friends (East Asian, South Asian, etc) who were raised by two Asian parents, have been able to assimilate into Western culture, while retaining their own. I think in Azn's case.. She is referring to people like Ebony, AJ, and Christina, who she feels prefers the dominant culture, as they seek to actively erase all remnants of their heritage. Yes but one can assimilate and still be proud of their heritage. I basically stated as much in my first paragraph. Though, some people may not agree. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 5, 2019 10:29:53 GMT
I'll say one thing.. It's not a good sign when you can't even acknowledge African-Americans as a people with our own culture and unique way of life, and would rather use monolithic descriptors such as "the blacks" to refer to us solely by color. Asian-Americans are more readily accepted into white society, than we people of African descent. So they can navigate more freely through those spaces in most instances. That is the very thing that irks Azn. How some Asian people who were raised in Western societies are quick to assimilate into the dominant culture, while at the same time rejecting the one of their birth. Azn will say she's being attacked by another poster, like Ebony for example. But upon a little investigation, it turns out that Ebony didn't attack Azn at all. She may have just said something about liking a white guy. Lol. Azn is nuts. Many of the Asians I know are as assimilated as I am as a Greek-American. I don't even speak Greek. It's not an issue especially in America. Gee, GB, I wonder if her admitted mental health problem is one of the reason why she’s acting nuts.
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Post by gameboy on Dec 5, 2019 16:37:34 GMT
Azn will say she's being attacked by another poster, like Ebony for example. But upon a little investigation, it turns out that Ebony didn't attack Azn at all. She may have just said something about liking a white guy. Lol. Azn is nuts. Many of the Asians I know are as assimilated as I am as a Greek-American. I don't even speak Greek. It's not an issue especially in America. Gee, GB, I wonder if her admitted mental health problem is one of the reason why she’s acting nuts. No doubt the girl is a space cadet. I feel for Azn and also tried to be understanding and got kicked in the virtual teeth. However, if she's gonna attack other Asian women, like Ebony who is an accomplished woman and has run for Canadian Parliament; or Christina who is sweet to everybody and actually does have schizophrenia but is positive and accomplished in life; then Azn deserves her comeuppance. If she wants to argue the issues she's fair game.
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 5, 2019 17:26:41 GMT
Gee, GB, I wonder if her admitted mental health problem is one of the reason why she’s acting nuts. No doubt the girl is a space cadet. I feel for Azn and also tried to be understanding and got kicked in the virtual teeth. However, if she's gonna attack other Asian women, like Ebony who is an accomplished woman and has run for Canadian Parliament; or Christina who is sweet to everybody and actually does have schizophrenia but is positive and accomplished in life; then Azn deserves her comeuppance. If she wants to argue the issues she's fair game. I only mentioned that because you appeared to be perplexed by her irrational behaviour. Mental health affects people in different ways and they can't all be expected to be nice. Winding them up might make you feel like you're doing something positive but can have the opposite effect.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 5, 2019 18:12:08 GMT
What bullshit. We fucking Europeans hauled those people across the Atlantic and made them slaves. Oh no, but they cannot celebrate their heritage? They embraced Christianity. They made it their own. It's a great celebration of the African culture. Can you tell me why that's any different for the Irish on Saint Patrick's day or my family on Greek Orthodox Easter? Racist fuckhead. Christianity is not European. It was imported into Europe from the Middle East.
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Post by gameboy on Dec 6, 2019 1:05:39 GMT
What bullshit. We fucking Europeans hauled those people across the Atlantic and made them slaves. Oh no, but they cannot celebrate their heritage? They embraced Christianity. They made it their own. It's a great celebration of the African culture. Can you tell me why that's any different for the Irish on Saint Patrick's day or my family on Greek Orthodox Easter? Racist fuckhead. Christianity is not European. It was imported into Europe from the Middle East. Wow, so the Vatican, Martin Luther and all those Christian fundie idiots are Middle Eastern?
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