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Post by Nicko's Nose on Dec 6, 2019 0:17:10 GMT
All solid but does not take away that he was a very wrong choice for Star Wars, as Last Jedi illustrates. Solid? More like solid SHIT! Not too surprised someone like you would call things he hasn’t seen shit.
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Post by James on Dec 6, 2019 0:46:18 GMT
He hasn’t seen enough movies, has he? Well he's seen enough to be a screenwriter in the industry(Which is very cutthroat) and to be hired as a professor at a university to teach screenwriting, so... Okay, but out of all the movies he could’ve chosen to teach, why that one? Does he use it because it’s popular to bash on? Why not one of the many more notoriously bad films out there?
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Post by hi224 on Dec 6, 2019 0:49:29 GMT
Why did he not pick Ghostbusters 2016? I mean Last Jedi is bad, but it’s not Ghostbusters 2016 bad. why not Hail Caesar!.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 6, 2019 0:53:57 GMT
Well he's seen enough to be a screenwriter in the industry(Which is very cutthroat) and to be hired as a professor at a university to teach screenwriting, so... Okay, but out of all the movies he could’ve chosen to teach, why that one? Does he use it because it’s popular to bash on? Why not one of the many more notoriously bad films out there? Because his course was focusing on Star Wars, and using a widely known bad movie like The Room or Troll 2 is not going to engage students enough.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 6, 2019 0:54:40 GMT
Well he's seen enough to be a screenwriter in the industry(Which is very cutthroat) and to be hired as a professor at a university to teach screenwriting, so... Okay, but out of all the movies he could’ve chosen to teach, why that one? Does he use it because it’s popular to bash on? Why not one of the many more notoriously bad films out there? I think picking a movie that is attempting to tell a good story and has a lot of story elements is a good choice, unlike a movie that is just a bunch of nothing. It: Chapter 2 and Alien: Covenant would have been good choices too.
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Post by James on Dec 6, 2019 1:22:16 GMT
Okay, but out of all the movies he could’ve chosen to teach, why that one? Does he use it because it’s popular to bash on? Why not one of the many more notoriously bad films out there? I think picking a movie that is attempting to tell a good story and has a lot of story elements is a good choice, unlike a movie that is just a bunch of nothing. It: Chapter 2 and Alien: Covenant would have been good choices too. I guess that makes sense. In other words, movies that are competently made but have weak scripts nonetheless are where it’s at.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 6, 2019 1:30:45 GMT
I think picking a movie that is attempting to tell a good story and has a lot of story elements is a good choice, unlike a movie that is just a bunch of nothing. It: Chapter 2 and Alien: Covenant would have been good choices too. I guess that makes sense. In other words, movies that are competently made but have weak scripts nonetheless are where it’s at. That is the way I would do it. Picking something like The Predator or the Transformers sequels is too easy.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 6, 2019 1:32:25 GMT
So, what credentials should he have to be qualified to offer criticism of the movie? He says it himself he is a long time fan of the property, since childhood. I'm trying to figure out what makes his criticism that valuable. You were the one that seemed to indicate his resume made him an expert of some kind.
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Post by jonesjxd on Dec 6, 2019 11:32:42 GMT
I don't know much about this guy, but the two examples he used for why TLJ has a bad script weren't all that compelling. For one, I don't see the Duel of the Fates to be a top tier lightsaber battle simply because 3/4 of the fight there are no stakes whatsoever. Qui-Gon and Obiwan have no idea who Darth Maul is or why they are fighting him, they are essentially taking turns letting a Sith apprentice block their lightsaber blows as they travel through a "sci-fi boiler room" we've never seen before and have no idea why it's there or how it works. The great Jedi Master is dispatched super easily within a minute of fighting this apprentice alone, only when it comes down to Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul does it become an emotional battle. Even then, what are we watching? A fast paced duel that doesn't feature any subtext within the blows in this bizarre heavily fortified room that only has a hole in it. Why is it there? Just so the characters can fall in it.
Why, imo is the final confrontation between Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker so great? Because it recognizes that this sequel trilogy is about Kylo Ren's journey first and foremost. Just as Episodes 1-6 are the complete story of Darth Vader's journey. People often like comparing Rey to Luke, but it's Kylo Ren who is the Luke of the sequel trilogy. He is the main character, the one we're meant to be invested in emotionally. He failed to complete his training and went astray, destroyed the Jedi temple and leaving his master for dead, hindering his training, he loses every battle he enters, he's defeated by Rey in Force Awakens, the Starkiller base is destroyed on his watch, he is scolded by his master and in his rage destroys his master to his own detriment, and finally when he meets his uncle and original master, not only can he not kill his master, or even deliver one affective offensive move, he stands humiliated as he realizes his master wasn't even there to begin with, because his powers are nowhere near the powers of those with the patience to learn. Kylo Ren should be the most powerful force user in the galaxy, but he is his own worst enemy.
The screenwriter notes that Episode 1 has an emotional scene between young Anakin and Shmi, I believe he's referring to the much cringed upon "Will I ever see you again?" scene. This is an easy heart strings moment that ends up getting uncomfortable laughter from the audience. Yes, there are fantastic moments between Han and Leia in earlier installments, but most emotional beats in the Star Wars saga are about inner turmoil. Lars and Beru's death, Obiwan's death, the revelation of who his father is, Luke mostly keeps his feelings to himself, the performance maintained in Mark Hammil's face, not on the page. After the victory on Endor the characters mostly keep their feelings inside them. Luke goes off alone to collect himself while the others celebrate. These are brilliant moments, and The Last Jedi has these moments too.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 6, 2019 13:24:05 GMT
Write and direct The Last Jedi? And Brick, and Looper, and Ozymandias, and Knives Out. I didn't like Knives Out, either. Haven't seen the others and judging by the films I have seen, I won't be watching them anytime soon. It's cool if you're into his flicks, we've talked a bunch on the boards and I respect your opinion. But for whatever reason he doesn't do it for me.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 6, 2019 14:51:17 GMT
And Brick, and Looper, and Ozymandias, and Knives Out. I didn't like Knives Out, either. Haven't seen the others and judging by the films I have seen, I won't be watching them anytime soon. It's cool if you're into his flicks, we've talked a bunch on the boards and I respect your opinion. But for whatever reason he doesn't do it for me. Fair enough.
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Post by gljbradley on Dec 7, 2019 2:13:28 GMT
Sounds like an excellent idea.
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