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Post by darkpast on Dec 8, 2019 5:10:13 GMT
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Dec 8, 2019 10:05:55 GMT
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Post by amyghost on Dec 9, 2019 22:04:34 GMT
Imagine being propositioned by that. Brrr.... What may be even creepier is that one of his 'escorts' looks like the ghost of Luca Brasi:
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 10, 2019 7:05:30 GMT
There was the awards show a few years ago that said of the actress nominees "five women who don't have to pretend anymore that Harvey Weinstein is good looking." That was kind of a FU to them in a way since it acknowledged it was known what he was doing and they were helpless to do anything about it.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 10, 2019 21:43:58 GMT
They may not have had the authority\influence to do anything about Weinsteinโs power\control in Hollywood, but upon the initial encounter, they had the freedom of choice to to turn around and walk out the door. Not necessarily. Many of those named were established before meeting Weinstein. Lysette Athony for example.
They may have had contracts and other business things which they could not jeopardize since Weinstein had privilege and was protected by the industry.
Mira Sorvino and I think Ashley Judd turned him down and they got the wilderness treatment despite being put into headliner roles. Peter Jackson had the decency to corroborate their claims that they were blacklisted.
And Uma Thurman revealed the bombshell that Weinstein used women to set up the victims. This is huge news. She had to sandwich the reveal between an anecdote about being raped by an unnamed movie star at 17 and Tarantino's attempt to kill her.
There's always another Weinstein. The only way to fix this is to open up media company ownership across the country so no employee has to fear being blacklisted due to tribal nepotism (and movie quality would improve too).
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 10, 2019 22:24:38 GMT
They may not have had the authority\influence to do anything about Weinsteinโs power\control in Hollywood, but upon the initial encounter, they had the freedom of choice to turn around and walk out the door. True to your dumb ass misogynist nature, you fundamentally have no idea of how power relationships mess up the human psychology of choice. It is as if all traces of human empathy leave your mind when women are involved. Disgusting.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 10, 2019 22:42:39 GMT
I personally feel that much of it is sour grapes too, due to how careers pan out. Many of these women who have made claims are mediocrities as a talent. They had their good looks to rely on when they were younger and Weinstein helping his connections get associated with a film and to win Oscars, even his pals like Tarantino, doesn't mean they are necessarily going to make it big. It only means that there is a lot more expectation placed on them to deliver. This has been about one big egocentric trip right from the start, wanting to be famous is born out of ego, but this is Hollyweird, so to be expected. Weinstein is now taking on board the sole and whole burden, it suddenly turned into a witch hunt and is this fair? There is always a coven behind it.
It's symptomatic of the problem with Hollywood--that there is not enough ownership variety. There are tons of other businesses that do not have this kind of corruption. It's mafia-like corruption. Where it has a very bad effect culturally is that there probably were very good charismatic actresses who did not pursue it because they would not go along with the prostitution-like culture. This is why alternative business would benefit everyone (except Hollywood and its political ambitions).
It is absolutely ludicrous that Hollywood is doing things like the Hand Maid's Tale when its attitude towards employed women is that they are working in a harem. Hypocrisy beyond belief.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 11, 2019 1:11:24 GMT
And therein a paradox lies too, because those that did choose to whore themselves out for a piece of the limelight, made it difficult for those that weren't prepared to whore themselves and missed out on a chance at something that could have been big for them. It could also be claimed it was other women letting other women down in the industry in this respect. Empowerment could have meant just saying NO and turning heel and not feeling like a "victim" 2 decades later. If they couldn't hire actresses because they weren't willing to play up to Weinstein's sexual advances, this could have been nipped in the bud so much sooner.
No I don't think talent would have won out in the end. Hollywood is not motivated by merit or wanting to appease audiences. It's a mafia-like information control operation. All the small fry people who used to be more receptive to film as a story medium were weeded out by the late 90s thanks to mergers (although Weinstein operated well before this merger period).
Ultimately it is still Weinstein and management who are to blame. Thurman's story suggests that some were lured by the assumption that such things could not happen. It was a conspiracy. The media companies were all in on it. Where could they go? Nowhere.
The agencies are also to blame because they could have boycotted all studios until they get rid of the Weinsteins. The fact is that someone like Rose McGowan probably was hired because she accepted what was happening-but the brothel was still set up by the management who pretended it wasn't a brothel. It's not her fault if she didn't expect that sort of thing. Same with Asia Argento. How likely was it that she solicited it? Sure, she could have refused, but there is enough evidence to suggest Weinstein was aggressive and felt completely safe in doing this. That's why it is crazy to focus only on him. The rest of Hollywood is to blame for letting him do it. For all we know the only reason he was outed was because he didn't do enough for Hillary.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 11, 2019 2:35:10 GMT
Thirst for the almighty dollar, manipulating trends and seeing what could be exploited to make the most profit. Cutthroat, but it is like that in all major corporations. Artistic integrity got sold out. I started to lose interest in Hollywood's output from the mid 90's into the millennial and found a certain blandness and lack of creative originality had begun to seep in. I am finding now though, over the past few years, that I am getting more refreshed and vitalized with the product.
Big business is ruthless and "aggressiveness" and is not only a key requisite for success, it is culturally inherent within its mechanisms for it to function.
That's bullshit. If Hollywood was motivated by profit they would be catering to different audiences like any other business would do. They could maximize profits in Europe and Asia. You don't market a product for Europeans and then decide to market one for Asians and force the Europeans to accept the tastes of Asia. That is what they claim they are doing now (it's a lie of course-they are actually presenting messages intended to demoralize Europeans or influence them in their personal relationships-thus all the race-mixing propaganda, Asia is a secondary consideration).
The term Hollywood Accounting means "we lie about business." How many other businesses have the same motto? I do not believe the owners of Disney etc see film as an art form at all-they see it as a propaganda message-delivery system.
They are not in panic mode about losing audiences because their plan is to eat away all possible alternatives so audiences have no choices. They get money from the Canadian government and elsewhere to subsidize their productions. They also keep reducing output year after year--the star system has been eliminated--they are downsizing--going in the direction of Mosfilm in the USSR.
There are no other businesses that operate so irrationally or have such contempt for the customer as Hollywood. When Disney was family owned it did not have the philosophy of the current company. Not to mention, there are many businesses that have no connection to Hollywood and yet have advertising designed around social propaganda and don't seem to care if they lose customers either. What is going on behind the scenes? Are they forced to use advertising that fits an agenda in order to get promotion or what?
Media is moving into USSR territory. The USSR made films like the Circus (1936) which has the same social agenda as what we see now (and this in the middle of gulag and mass murder campaigns--which goes to show the racial harmony message of the Circus was insincere or motivated by insanity). Weinstein is just the tip of the iceberg. It's the destruction of Western culture thanks to a lack of self-determination in media in the West (despite the internet, professional artists are prevented from developing their own business due to the digital monopolies).
Ultimately it is a failure of government/society to not have adopted legislation to protect cultural heritage but that doesn't excuse Weinstein and company for being assholes either.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 11, 2019 4:00:22 GMT
If they are not motivated by talent, as you claimed, what are they motivated by then? Just feeding off your own comments which you appear to have gone off on a weird tangent about. Are you talking to me or at me? I wasnโt engaging in heated discourse with you, but keeping it neutral. I do believe the Weinstein issue has been one of cover up and even conspiracy, but the other point is that they are going to still market at what sells due to trends. Look at the over-abundance of super hero films. These appeal to foreign markets as well. That is where the profit lies. I am not engaging in heated discussion either. I think the diminishing talent in Hollywood is because European artistic sensibility has been eroded. This is due to the tribal nepotism mainly (digital technology contributes some). Whether it is conscious or biological is the question. Maybe a little of both. Hollywood Accounting still means business claims are lies. They can cook the books any way they want. No other business can act so insane with product. Do people really want a lack of story diversity in content? This is what Hollywood claims. I am very very skeptical this is true. The most logical thing right now would be to see a million start ups catering to Western audiences to fill the gaps left by the alleged-Asia focused Hollywood. Where are they? They cannot exist because money is limited-since they would have no access to distribution or marketing thanks to the artificial monopoly.
You should look up SIMPP--this was the response to the last time Hollywood was reaching a monopoly position (and it is way worse now compared to 1940).
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Post by kleinreturns on Dec 11, 2019 19:47:53 GMT
Interesting.
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Post by darkpast on Dec 12, 2019 2:39:05 GMT
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Post by darkpast on Dec 12, 2019 5:53:05 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Jan 8, 2020 17:15:50 GMT
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Post by darkpast on Jan 9, 2020 6:08:48 GMT
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Post by poelzig on Jan 9, 2020 6:19:42 GMT
True to your dumb ass misogynist nature, you fundamentally have no idea of how power relationships mess up the human psychology of choice. It is as if all traces of human empathy leave your mind when women are involved. Disgusting. Yes, you are just brimming over pompo, with PHONY care, concern, empathy, compassion, so as to be seen as a white knight savior, which is as apparent and transparent as your confounded and conceited virtue signalling and pseudo-intellect. Your ego and arrogance is just as pronounced as those that you pretend to care about. Yes, you are disgusting, because there is no honesty in you.
It's an understatement to say you and I don't always agree but your description of loudmouthed pompous douchebag extraordinaire faustus5 is spot on. One day he MIGHT post something that isn't virtue signalling nonsense but I doubt it. I seriously wonder if the guy even likes movies or tv shows. Other than The Venture Brothers which I have NEVER seen him post about or reference.
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Post by kleinreturns on Jan 10, 2020 1:22:38 GMT
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Post by darkpast on Jan 10, 2020 8:26:01 GMT
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Post by Nora on Jan 11, 2020 2:44:43 GMT
What fascinates me is the double standards lately applied to various crimes. (this is not aimed at you particularly) Like we make movies about Murderers and people will celebrate them and will want to fuck them and see them as entertaining or cool or sexy. And not that many people seem to have an ethical problem with that. think Scorcesees mobsters or John Wick types of movies or any movies where a squad of murderous psychopaths is put on a secret mission etc. We outright fetishize thiefโs and burglars for some reason. think about all the heist movie where lyou actually end up rooting for the criminals (like Ocean 11 or pretty much any heist movie really) But with rapists and sexual predators we are like โoh no, Thatโs the real human scum, the scummiest on the planet, letโs not just not make celebratory movies about them but letโs hate on them and punish them to the point where they lose all humanity to us (like their victims probably did to them). I am by no means saying we should celebrate rapists. it would just be nice if people realized what we are really saying by these double standards. And maybe adjusted accordingly.
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Post by paislene on Jan 12, 2020 2:35:06 GMT
This is a very sad sight , Nora . As far as I know , his wife has taken their child and left him for good . And the Judge warned him that forestalling the inevitable , because he can afford the best legal team that money can buy , will just make his victims , judge and jury , not to mention the media and the public , more determined to dig in and fight for the truth against him in this matter . His growing power and arrogance , the ensuing sexual abuses from that , then his alienation and the demeaning demands by him of his personal secretaries have brought him undone .
The enablers of the double standards of Hollywood , such as the glorification of killers and violence , are also the same people who gave Harvey Weinstein the eventual power to act with impunity for the many years to be cruel and sexist against his employees whether in administration , production or as actors .
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