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Post by Nora on Jan 12, 2020 4:19:13 GMT
This is a very sad sight , Nora . As far as I know , his wife has taken their child and left him for good . And the Judge warned him that forestalling the inevitable , because he can afford the best legal team that money can buy , will just make his victims , judge and jury , not to mention the media and the public , more determined to dig in and fight for the truth against him in this matter . His growing power and arrogance , the ensuing sexual abuses from that , then his alienation and the demeaning demands by him of his personal secretaries have brought him undone .
The enablers of the double standards of Hollywood , such as the glorification of killers and violence , are also the same people who gave Harvey Weinstein the eventual power to act with impunity for the many years to be cruel and sexist against his employees whether in administration , production or as actors .
While I agree with most that you say I have to point out that I meant it’s us (the viewers) who uphold these double standards and often don’t think about all the violence we support by fetishizing it or even just tolerating it in movies and games etc. I mean we PLAY to be killers monsters murderers assasins, even nazis in some games. Where are the games where we are allowed to play rapists? Why aren’t we allowed to do that but can play gangsters and murderers? Why is that somehow less harmful? I am honestly trying to understanding the rules.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 12, 2020 8:02:03 GMT
What fascinates me is the double standards lately applied to various crimes. (this is not aimed at you particularly) Like we make movies about Murderers and people will celebrate them and will want to fuck them and see them as entertaining or cool or sexy. And not that many people seem to have an ethical problem with that. think Scorcesees mobsters or John Wick types of movies or any movies where a squad of murderous psychopaths is put on a secret mission etc. We outright fetishize thief’s and burglars for some reason. think about all the heist movie where lyou actually end up rooting for the criminals (like Ocean 11 or pretty much any heist movie really) But with rapists and sexual predators we are like “oh no, That’s the real human scum, the scummiest on the planet, let’s not just not make celebratory movies about them but let’s hate on them and punish them to the point where they lose all humanity to us (like their victims probably did to them). I am by no means saying we should celebrate rapists. it would just be nice if people realized what we are really saying by these double standards. And maybe adjusted accordingly.
Well to be honest it is the media that is glamorizing it. The same media that defended/ignored Weinstein. I don't think the public is. What choice do they have? What movies are made about honest people who are not going around murdering others? I have seen some RKO movies from the 40s that did not present the crook as a sympathetic character. i.e. The Threat. But other studios like Warner Bros often did present the crook as the main character.
I thought it was odd how serial killers were glamorized in the 80s. It seemed like by that time the ante was being upped.
I just watched Murder on the Orient Express 1974 and I notice the message of it really is that respectable people can commit a revenge and ritual murder and be justified in doing it. I dunno, it sits funny on the conscience.
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Post by Nora on Jan 12, 2020 14:15:52 GMT
What fascinates me is the double standards lately applied to various crimes. (this is not aimed at you particularly) Like we make movies about Murderers and people will celebrate them and will want to fuck them and see them as entertaining or cool or sexy. And not that many people seem to have an ethical problem with that. think Scorcesees mobsters or John Wick types of movies or any movies where a squad of murderous psychopaths is put on a secret mission etc. We outright fetishize thief’s and burglars for some reason. think about all the heist movie where lyou actually end up rooting for the criminals (like Ocean 11 or pretty much any heist movie really) But with rapists and sexual predators we are like “oh no, That’s the real human scum, the scummiest on the planet, let’s not just not make celebratory movies about them but let’s hate on them and punish them to the point where they lose all humanity to us (like their victims probably did to them). I am by no means saying we should celebrate rapists. it would just be nice if people realized what we are really saying by these double standards. And maybe adjusted accordingly.
Well to be honest it is the media that is glamorizing it. The same media that defended/ignored Weinstein. I don't think the public is. What choice do they have? What movies are made about honest people who are not going around murdering others? I have seen some RKO movies from the 40s that did not present the crook as a sympathetic character. i.e. The Threat. But other studios like Warner Bros often did present the crook as the main character.
I thought it was odd how serial killers were glamorized in the 80s. It seemed like by that time the ante was being upped.
I just watched Murder on the Orient Express 1974 and I notice the message of it really is that respectable people can commit a revenge and ritual murder and be justified in doing it. I dunno, it sits funny on the conscience.
but I think the studios are only giving the public what the public wants (sometimes without knowing we “want” it), not the other way around. Thats what concerns me that its just a supply meeting demand. So what can we do about it? I certainly wouldnt advocate to ban violence or guns in entertainment as I think any such ban would only make it more attractive in the end but maybe the ent. industry should intentionally focus on producing more content that doesnt include violence and guns and certainly doesnt glamorize it. but then what do they have left? yes you guessed it, sex. and what happens with that? we have more shows like GOt where sex /nudity is such a big part of its appeal? I stray from the original topic. Am just saying lets check ourselves and lets stop treating sex offenders worse than murderes. It doesnt make sense.
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Post by Nora on Jan 12, 2020 16:29:02 GMT
I mean just look at this and replace (in your mind) those that kill (in the trailer) with rapists. we wouldnt really be watching it, thinking it looks cool or even sexy or root for any of them right?
yet we will do all those things for murderers. wheres the logic.
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Post by darkpast on Jan 12, 2020 16:55:04 GMT
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 12, 2020 17:29:39 GMT
but then what do they have left? yes you guessed it, sex. and what happens with that? we have more shows like GOt where sex /nudity is such a big part of its appeal? I stray from the original topic. Am just saying lets check ourselves and lets stop treating sex offenders worse than murderes. It doesnt make sense. I would agree except Walt Disney was the most famous figure in Hollywood and he worked outside the system, certainly never glamorized criminals, so it's more about diversity in ownership than what the public demands. If the public demanded it, there would be all sorts of murderers and criminals as the heroes going back a 1000 years, but this only started in the 20th century and seems entirely due to the lack of diversity in media ownership. The fact is in western countries there is no self-determination in culture--it's been destroyed by the so-called globalist approach. In the case of Weinstein he was really bad because he treated women as harem occupants--yet he peddled all sorts of phoney women empowerment messages. Diversity in ownership would fix the problems.
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Post by paislene on Jan 12, 2020 21:52:38 GMT
Well Harvey was an admired Producer back in the 90's , before the rumors spread . But there are some pretty twisted people in Hollywood , because the whole Industry is based is based on creativity , and therefore ego . And to be noticed you have to be ambitious because there are so many competitors or opponents . At his peak , Harvey walked tall , but I think that arrogance of being top dog breeds contempt and corruption . It bleeds into your soul and you begin to look down on less important people . And now that the circle is nearly complete , we see Harvey having to answer for those sins , and him , crawling into a court of justice .
And other people , I greatly admired in their time , who have been shamed before the nations , for their twisted desires . Bill Cosby , who had women swooning and offering themselves to him in their hundreds , would resort to drugging or raping them against their will , and still refuses to accept he didn't have the right to act indecently .
There are others too .
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Post by Nora on Jan 12, 2020 23:52:18 GMT
Well Harvey was an admired Producer back in the 90's , before the rumors spread . But there are some pretty twisted people in Hollywood , because the whole Industry is based is based on creativity , and therefore ego . And to be noticed you have to be ambitious because there are so many competitors or opponents . At his peak , Harvey walked tall , but I think that arrogance of being top dog breeds contempt and corruption . It bleeds into your soul and you begin to look down on less important people . And now that the circle is nearly complete , we see Harvey having to answer for those sins , and him , crawling into a court of justice .
And two other people , I greatly admired in their time , who have been shamed before the nations , for their twisted desires . Bill Cosby , who had women swooning and offering themselves to him in their hundreds , would resort to drugging or raping them against their will , and still refuses to accept he didn't have the right to act indecently .
And Mel Gibson , who violently beat his wife , and got away with it .
There are others too .
tell me more “based on creativity thereefor ego” what do you mean by that?
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Post by darkpast on Feb 7, 2020 5:29:43 GMT
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 7, 2020 7:56:54 GMT
Artists can be mental but Weinstein is not an artist--he was an executive producer-the money man. It's the culture of those who run Hollywood. This is Oriental harem culture.
Weinstein did not have to worry about competition-if he did he wouldn't have time for his antics. He would be at risk of going bankrupt. If the women had somewhere else to go, Weinstein would have been a pariah if they had the choice to avoid him. We know from Peter Jackson that he was instructed not to consider Ashley Judd or Mira Sorvino for roles--and Jackson seems to be retired from the studio system or been blacklisted.
Bill Cosby and Mel Gibson made enemies in Hollywood for their political views. Cosby said blacks should take responsibility for themselves. Gibson's image was tarnished thanks to his comments when he was arrested in the middle of a car radio broadcast of Israel's attack on Lebanon. Supposedly. Maybe something else happened that got him into trouble. His making films for religious fanatics did nothing to restore his reputation. We don't know the truth. In Weinstein's case an avalanche of accusers came forward and the media could not stop it even if they wanted to. But I still think he is being punished for Hillary losing.
If new producers from outside the Hollywood and New York circuit were allowed finance and distribution, not only would the quality improve, but it would prevent the blacklisting/blackout that Hollywood maintains.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 7, 2020 14:07:04 GMT
Was the jury REALLY shown pictures of HW like THIS, OR is this a JOKE? I'm NOT reading about the trial. POOR JURORS IF TRUE!
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Post by darkpast on Feb 14, 2020 6:22:05 GMT
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Post by darkpast on Feb 24, 2020 21:26:04 GMT
Times up 😄
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 24, 2020 22:47:23 GMT
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Post by darkpast on Feb 25, 2020 3:40:10 GMT
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 25, 2020 4:38:00 GMT
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