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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Dec 9, 2019 2:20:26 GMT
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Post by msdemos on Dec 9, 2019 7:05:57 GMT
Simba makes The Hall !! Living in Milwaukee, I remember VERY well when Ted Simmons came over from the Cardinals, and the vital role he played for us behind the plate for five seasons, just as Milwaukee finally made themselves relevant by climbing out of the cellar after so many down years, and making it to their first (and still, only) World Series (after an INCREDIBLE win vs. the (then) California Angels in the ALCS) against his former team.......and one that was ours for the taking, before finally losing it in 7 games, back in 1982. (For some reason though, I completely forgot that it was Atlanta he went to after leaving Milwaukee, for the final three seasons of his 21 year (!) big league career.). Congratulations, Teddy !!      SAVE FERRIS
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 9:42:04 GMT
Honestly, never heard of him.
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 9, 2019 15:59:28 GMT
"playing in the 3rd most games at catcher" does not make one a Hall of Famer in any way, otherwise Bob Boone would be in the hall. Sound like someone who barely knows anything about baseball would say. That said, Simmons should have been in the Hall years ago (his games total at catcher have nothing to do with it). What scares me though is they're just putting the same guys on these vet ballots (Simmons was on 2 years ago) and it appears they're just going to keep putting the same guys on until they all get in. Garvey, Mattingly, Murphy and those guys were solid players but not HOF and once you've been on the vets ballot a couple times and don't get in, that should be it forever. I'm guessing Simmons goes in as a Cardinal.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 9, 2019 16:44:46 GMT
Marvin Miller also. He was so hated in the 70's "Free agency will ruin baseball". It didn't. Baseball isn't the National Pasttime but it's still a cash machine.
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 9, 2019 17:13:04 GMT
Marvin Miller also. He was so hated in the 70's "Free agency will ruin baseball". It didn't. Baseball isn't the National Pasttime but it's still a cash machine. But free agency did make it why it's 20 times mroe expensive to go to games than it ever was. I haven't paid to see a game in years. I'll go when someone offers me tickets but that's it. I refuse to pay those prices. Marvin Miller was great for the players, he wasn't great for the fans.
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Post by northern on Dec 9, 2019 18:09:34 GMT
Cant understand why Dave Parker and Garvey keep getting shafted.😐
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 9, 2019 18:26:27 GMT
Marvin Miller also. He was so hated in the 70's "Free agency will ruin baseball". It didn't. Baseball isn't the National Pasttime but it's still a cash machine. But free agency did make it why it's 20 times mroe expensive to go to games than it ever was. I haven't paid to see a game in years. I'll go when someone offers me tickets but that's it. I refuse to pay those prices. Marvin Miller was great for the players, he wasn't great for the fans. 1. Free Agency was the right thing to do. How would you like to be locked into your original job for all eternity? Players were buried in the Yankees, Dodgers and Cardinals systems just because they didn't want to see them go elsewhere. In Messersmith, the owners argued that free agency would destroy the game. Its like me paying my people $1.00 an hour and then arguing that I can't afford to pay them anymore.
2. The owners set the salaries. There are hundreds of examples of ijit owners overpaying. When A Rod left Seattle, his best offer was $17 million per. Texas offers $22 million per. What kind of dolt does this? "The bid is $25, do I hear $30. I bid $100." In 1991, the Giants sign Bud Black for a huge contract. Black was nothing but an innings eater. Big deal? REal pitchers said "If Bud Black gets $2 million a year, what is Greg Maddux worth?" Stupidity drove salaries through the roof.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 9, 2019 18:31:07 GMT
Cant understand why Dave Parker and Garvey keep getting shafted.😐 Because they’re not really HOF players. I mean yes, maybe compared to recent electees such as Baines and Trammell, but they’re weren’t great or at least not great for long enough.
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 9, 2019 19:30:43 GMT
Cant understand why Dave Parker and Garvey keep getting shafted.😐 Cause neither is a HOFer. But don't fret. These guys make it to the vets list every couple years. They're determined to put them in. Once Baines got in, it opened the door for all those guys. Hell, if Baines is in, Dewey Evans should got in this time. It may not be for a few years but all those guys will get in and if you think the HOF was watered down now, wait until you see it with Garvey and Parker in.
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Post by fjenkins on Dec 9, 2019 19:31:20 GMT
Cant understand why Dave Parker and Garvey keep getting shafted.😐 Because they’re not really HOF players. I mean yes, maybe compared to recent electees such as Baines and Trammell, but they’re weren’t great or at least not great for long enough. Trammell definitely belonged in though. Those other guys - nope.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 9, 2019 20:18:56 GMT
Ted Simmons was a really good player and everything, but did he ever dominate? Was he ever the best catcher in the game when he played? Did he ever put the fear of God in you when your team played his team?
Honestly, the answer to all those questions is no.
I just feel a Hall of Famer should be a guy who dominated at least a little while in his career. A player that for at least a year or two could be described as the best player at his position. But that's me, I guess.
It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of "very good, but never dominant, players who had long careers and always dotted their I's and crossed their T's".
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 9, 2019 20:24:12 GMT
Ted Simmons was a really good player and everything, but did he ever dominate? Was he ever the best catcher in the game when he played? Did he ever put the fear of God in you when your team played his team? Honestly, the answer to all those questions is no. I just feel a Hall of Famer should be a guy who dominated at least a little while in his career. A player that for at least a year or two could be described as the best player at his position. But that's me, I guess. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of "very good, but never dominant, players who had long careers and always dotted their I's and crossed their T's". He was probably the best hitting catcher of his contemporaries. Not in the same class as a Bench or Piazza, but of all those veterans who were eligible this year I had the least issue with him.
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Post by northern on Dec 9, 2019 22:14:38 GMT
Cant understand why Dave Parker and Garvey keep getting shafted.😐 Because they’re not really HOF players. I mean yes, maybe compared to recent electees such as Baines and Trammell, but they’re weren’t great or at least not great for long enough. Thats rubbish as both were dominant players in the NL for many years. Both were league MVPs and multi year All Stars. No way Simmons gets in before them if he belongs at all and Miller now thats a joke.
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Post by northern on Dec 9, 2019 22:16:16 GMT
Cant understand why Dave Parker and Garvey keep getting shafted.😐 Cause neither is a HOFer. But don't fret. These guys make it to the vets list every couple years. They're determined to put them in. Once Baines got in, it opened the door for all those guys. Hell, if Baines is in, Dewey Evans should got in this time. It may not be for a few years but all those guys will get in and if you think the HOF was watered down now, wait until you see it with Garvey and Parker in. Letting guys like Simmons and Miller in is what waters down the HOF.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 9, 2019 22:19:33 GMT
Because they’re not really HOF players. I mean yes, maybe compared to recent electees such as Baines and Trammell, but they’re weren’t great or at least not great for long enough. Thats rubbish as both were dominant players in the NL for many years. Both were league MVPs and multi year All Stars. No way Simmons gets in before them if he belongs at all and Miller now thats a joke. Dominant for many years? That’s an exaggeration. They were both good players but the numbers just aren’t there, especially Parker’s. Winning an MV P isn’t the key that unlocks the door either. To get into the HOF one should be great - Gwynn, Brett, Maddux etc., or one Gets in like Don Sutton or Bert Blyleven with a body of work. Neither Garvey nor Parker fit those bills.
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Post by northern on Dec 9, 2019 22:29:11 GMT
Thats rubbish as both were dominant players in the NL for many years. Both were league MVPs and multi year All Stars. No way Simmons gets in before them if he belongs at all and Miller now thats a joke. Dominant for many years? That’s an exaggeration. They were both good players but the numbers just aren’t there, especially Parker’s. Winning an MV P isn’t the key that unlocks the door either. To get into the HOF one should be great - Gwynn, Brett, Maddux etc., or one Gets in like Don Sutton or Bert Blyleven with a body of work. Neither Garvey nor Parker fit those bills. Ted Simmons was not great in any stretch of the imagination, just a good hitting catcher.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 9, 2019 22:37:48 GMT
Thats rubbish as both were dominant players in the NL for many years. Both were league MVPs and multi year All Stars. No way Simmons gets in before them if he belongs at all and Miller now thats a joke. Dominant for many years? That’s an exaggeration. They were both good players but the numbers just aren’t there, especially Parker’s. Winning an MV P isn’t the key that unlocks the door either. To get into the HOF one should be great - Gwynn, Brett, Maddux etc., or one Gets in like Don Sutton or Bert Blyleven with a body of work. Neither Garvey nor Parker fit those bills. I think you need a combination of both, but some dominance is necessary for me. Tim Lincecum was dominant for a few years, but obviously flamed out early, so I wouldn't call him a Hall of Famer. At the same token, Ted Simmons was really good for a very long career, but was never the most dominant player at his position, so I don't really see him as a Hall of Fame guy either. A guy like Jim Rice had a nice, long career but for a few years may have been the most feared hitter in baseball. To me, that's the combo needed for a true Hall of Fame player.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 9, 2019 22:39:51 GMT
Dominant for many years? That’s an exaggeration. They were both good players but the numbers just aren’t there, especially Parker’s. Winning an MV P isn’t the key that unlocks the door either. To get into the HOF one should be great - Gwynn, Brett, Maddux etc., or one Gets in like Don Sutton or Bert Blyleven with a body of work. Neither Garvey nor Parker fit those bills. Ted Simmons was not great in any stretch of the imagination, just a good hitting catcher. Then you don’t know his numbers. According to baseball reference, the batters that he is most similar too are all hall of famers themselves except for Miguel Tejada and Jimmy Rollins. By age he is most similar to Gary Carter, Ivan Rodriguez, and Joe Torre, all HOFers themselves. He was excellent defensively as well. So he deserves it.
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Post by northern on Dec 9, 2019 22:47:48 GMT
Ted Simmons was not great in any stretch of the imagination, just a good hitting catcher. Then you don’t know his numbers. According to baseball reference, the batters that he is most similar too are all hall of famers themselves except for Miguel Tejada and Jimmy Rollins. By age he is most similar to Gary Carter, Ivan Rodriguez, and Joe Torre, all HOFers themselves. He was excellent defensively as well. So he deserves it. Parkers numbers are better all round and Garveys similar to Simmons.
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