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Post by poelzig on Dec 10, 2019 7:25:12 GMT
I was waiting for Nora to "subtly" inform everyone she is a licensed physician in Europe but never practiced medicine because she could save more lives with her various theatrical skills. I'm a bit disappointed she didn't go that route and opted instead for numerous "friends" who conveniently happen to be surgeons to prove her acting is harder than being a surgeon theory. Resisting creating the usual painfully obvious fictions is a step in a healthier direction at least and I applaud nora for it.
If you think acting is a hard job though you have led a very sheltered life and have no concept of what actual work is like on any level. Physical or mental.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Dec 10, 2019 7:52:46 GMT
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Post by Sarge on Dec 10, 2019 8:52:48 GMT
Brain surgery is HARDER than rocket science since you're dealing with someone's BRAIN. You have to be a LOT MORE careful. [/font][/quote] It's a joke from a British tv show, I thought you were playing along. Guess not. |
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Dec 10, 2019 10:42:04 GMT
The point is no one has to be an actor. No one is becoming an actor to support themselves or their family. As far as I’m concerned anyone getting paid to do something creative, that they love is in a privileged position. If they didn’t enjoy it, they wouldn’t be doing it. The struggle to get there is another thing, but again, if it’s that difficult and horrible, go and get a “real” job. no one has to be anything. peo chose what they become based on what they would like to and are able to do. its a real job. and a lot of those that want it xant keep it because how hard it is. Philosophically, no, I guess no one has to do anything, but in realistic/practical terms, most people have to work, to make money to support themselves. And while there are no doubt countless people working terrible, boring, back-breaking jobs they don’t like (customer service, driver, labourer, teacher, etc.) too feed their families, because they have no other option, I can’t imagine there are many people slogging away at acting because it’s the only thing they can do. It’s a choice and anyone doing it is doing it because they want to. Yes it may not be the easiest job in the world but it certainly isn’t the hardest. Is it a “proper” job, yes technically, but personally I feel any creative pursuit, you should, if you’re serious, true and pure be doing it for the love. If you can make money from it great, that’s a bonus. It’s probably an unpopular opinion but IMO “society” doesn’t “owe” actors (or singers, dancers, artists, etc.) a living the same way they do other professions.
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Post by northern on Dec 10, 2019 17:45:52 GMT
Indeed. Acting is NOT a hard job. that just means you probably have not done it as a job and dont know how hard it is.... brain surgery is relying mostly on machines these days and its not even the most difficult area of medicine. coal mining must be very challenging physically yes. but so is acting. each in a different way but both very physically demandig. Are you serious? Almost anyone can take some acting classes and have a go at it. The only difficult part of the profession is getting work; if and once you get it youre laughing. |
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Dec 10, 2019 18:02:53 GMT
In New York City, if it were the 1990's/early 2000's, sure, why not? Between soap operas, Law & Order, indie movies, and the theater, more opportunities. Without needing a driver's license.
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Post by Nora on Dec 10, 2019 20:07:46 GMT
that just means you probably have not done it as a job and dont know how hard it is.... brain surgery is relying mostly on machines these days and its not even the most difficult area of medicine. coal mining must be very challenging physically yes. but so is acting. each in a different way but both very physically demandig. Are you serious? Almost anyone can take some acting classes and have a go at it. The only difficult part of the profession is getting work; if and once you get it youre laughing. with each word you keep on confirming you have a very idealized idea of the profession... sure you can take classes but those will not compensate for lack of talent you dont have it. but even more importantly: lets say you do have talent. now what. so does the milion of hungry actors next to you. to get a paid acting job is Hard. to get it repeatadly is very rare. and even if you do end up getting booked, its just a very challenging profession to be in, very demanding emotionally and physically. long hours, jigg expectations, your psyche and sometimes also body on display to thousands/milions of people, everybody judging you, its just not an easy job to do and maintain. |
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Post by Nora on Dec 10, 2019 20:11:48 GMT
no one has to be anything. peo chose what they become based on what they would like to and are able to do. its a real job. and a lot of those that want it xant keep it because how hard it is. Philosophically, no, I guess no one has to do anything, but in realistic/practical terms, most people have to work, to make money to support themselves. And while there are no doubt countless people working terrible, boring, back-breaking jobs they don’t like (customer service, driver, labourer, teacher, etc.) too feed their families, because they have no other option, I can’t imagine there are many people slogging away at acting because it’s the only thing they can do. It’s a choice and anyone doing it is doing it because they want to. Yes it may not be the easiest job in the world but it certainly isn’t the hardest. Is it a “proper” job, yes technically, but personally I feel any creative pursuit, you should, if you’re serious, true and pure be doing it for the love. If you can make money from it great, that’s a bonus. It’s probably an unpopular opinion but IMO “society” doesn’t “owe” actors (or singers, dancers, artists, etc.) a living the same way they do other professions. this has a promise to develop into an interesting debate. ill respond more when i am at a desktop. |
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Post by divtal on Dec 10, 2019 20:50:56 GMT
Probably not. I've heard so many successful performers say, in interviews, that if you have "been bitten," and acting is your whole driving force, there's nothing else that you CAN do. I don't have that sort of passionate determination.
I thoroughly enjoy live theater. But, the dedication to eight performances/week ... nine, if there are two matinees ... over a period of months, would drive me crazy.
I was an "extra," in The Candidate, in 1972. It was great fun to be part of an onlooking crowd for two days. However, the principal actors had to do take-after-take, confer with director Michael Ritchie, then do more takes. Most of the combined hours was consumed by waiting. I don't have the patience for that, long term.
The pay was good ... a box lunch both days. I'd like to thank The Academy.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 10, 2019 20:54:16 GMT
If Steven Spielberg or Martin Scorsese offered me a role and they told me "you get to be in my movie, but the job is you have to shave your head, and run up and down the street, naked, yelling and waving your hands, while smeared in peanut butter and lime green Jello" I would be like when and where sir, and may I have another.
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Post by Nora on Dec 10, 2019 21:19:13 GMT
I was waiting for Nora to "subtly" inform everyone she is a licensed physician in Europe but never practiced medicine because she could save more lives with her various theatrical skills. I'm a bit disappointed she didn't go that route and opted instead for numerous "friends" who conveniently happen to be surgeons to prove her acting is harder than being a surgeon theory. Resisting creating the usual painfully obvious fictions is a step in a healthier direction at least and I applaud nora for it. If you think acting is a hard job though you have led a very sheltered life and have no concept of what actual work is like on any level. Physical or mental. welcome back. i am glad you are doing better. |
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Post by Nora on Dec 10, 2019 21:21:02 GMT
If Steven Spielberg or Martin Scorsese offered me a role and they told me "you get to be in my movie, but the job is you have to shave your head, and run up and down the street, yelling and waving your hands, while smeared in peanut butter and lime green Jello" I would be like when and where sir, and may I have another. I think most of us would. but... would you do that 1. naked? 2. crying real tears (are you able to make yourself cry on cue?) |
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Post by Nora on Dec 10, 2019 21:22:47 GMT
Probably not. I've heard so many successful performers say, in interviews, that if you have "been bitten," and acting is your whole driving force, there's nothing else that you CAN do. I don't have that sort of passionate determination. I thoroughly enjoy live theater. But, the dedication to eight performances/week ... nine, if there are two matinees ... over a period of months, would drive me crazy. I was an "extra," in The Candidate, in 1972. It was great fun to be part of an onlooking crowd for two days. However, the principal actors had to do take-after-take, confer with director Michael Ritchie, then do more takes. Most of the combined hours was consumed by waiting. I don't have the patience for that, long term. The pay was good ... a box lunch both days. I'd like to thank The Academy. yep exactlty. lots of waiting around and epetition. I also dont see how theater actors do it. seems very mentally challenging especially if its drama. |
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Post by Nora on Dec 10, 2019 21:25:48 GMT
In New York City, if it were the 1990's/early 2000's, sure, why not? Between soap operas, Law & Order, indie movies, and the theater, more opportunities. Without needing a driver's license. do you think you would enjoy it more than whatever your current job is or was at that time? |
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Post by Nora on Dec 10, 2019 21:29:06 GMT
Yea I’d give it a go. I’d have to be a really good actor tho because my I’ve have never had an ab and I’m about as pretty as Phillip Seymour Hoffman. hoffman was very charismatic and indeed carried a lot of sexappeal through his skills. |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Dec 10, 2019 21:38:21 GMT
This thread reminds me of the scene in "The Disaster Artist" where some of the actors are having lunch or something and this older woman says that she had to leave home at 6 in the morning and drive three hours to get to the set (or something like that) for peanuts, and somebody asks her "Why do you do it?", to which she replies "because the worst day in a film set is better than the best day at any other job".
Personally I've never had any interest in acting, so I can't relate to that sentiment. I just liked the line.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Dec 10, 2019 21:54:58 GMT
This thread reminds me of the scene in "The Disaster Artist" where some of the actors are having lunch or something and this older woman says that she had to leave home at 6 in the morning and drive three hours to get to the set (or something like that) for peanuts, and somebody asks her "Why do you do it?", to which she replies "because the worst day in a film set is better than the best day at any other job". It took me three posts to say that.
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Post by northern on Dec 10, 2019 22:14:03 GMT
Are you serious? Almost anyone can take some acting classes and have a go at it. The only difficult part of the profession is getting work; if and once you get it youre laughing. with each word you keep on confirming you have a very idealized idea of the profession... sure you can take classes but those will not compensate for lack of talent you dont have it. but even more importantly: lets say you do have talent. now what. so does the milion of hungry actors next to you. to get a paid acting job is Hard. to get it repeatadly is very rare. and even if you do end up getting booked, its just a very challenging profession to be in, very demanding emotionally and physically. long hours, jigg expectations, your psyche and sometimes also body on display to thousands/milions of people, everybody judging you, its just not an easy job to do and maintain. You just confirmed what I said as the hard part is getting the job not the job itself per se. You think they dont get paid well for these long hours? Id do it in a heartbeat so if youre a casting director hire me.😃 |
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Post by theravenking on Dec 10, 2019 22:42:10 GMT
Had to think of the scene in The Disaster Artist too
Her answer really sums up my thoughts about acting. I have to say even if someone asked me to be in a horrible ultra low-budget C-Movie, which would look terrible already on paper, I would do it. I would try to take a Nicolas Cage approach to it and would just try to enjoy myself as much as possible. I just love movies too much to be able to pass up an opportunity like this. What's the worst that could happen? It may turn out that I have zero talent and no-one would ever cast me in anything else. So what? It wouldn't be the end of the world.
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Post by Nora on Dec 10, 2019 23:04:54 GMT
with each word you keep on confirming you have a very idealized idea of the profession... sure you can take classes but those will not compensate for lack of talent you dont have it. but even more importantly: lets say you do have talent. now what. so does the milion of hungry actors next to you. to get a paid acting job is Hard. to get it repeatadly is very rare. and even if you do end up getting booked, its just a very challenging profession to be in, very demanding emotionally and physically. long hours, jigg expectations, your psyche and sometimes also body on display to thousands/milions of people, everybody judging you, its just not an easy job to do and maintain. You just confirmed what I said as the hard part is getting the job not the job itself per se. You think they dont get paid well for these long hours? Id do it in a heartbeat so if youre a casting director hire me.😃 how did I confirm that the job itself is not hard? I specifically say in my post (that you quoted) how challenging the job is... (provides you get in). No they do Not get compensated for the long hours, not until they are doing really well. To do well as an actor you must be very lucky not just talented. the progression is: 1. Shit gigs for nothing 2. Better gigs for nothing 3. Shit gigs for 10-50 bucks for the entire work which may be a day full of waiting around, 10 hours easy. 4. Better gigs for 10-50 bucks lump sum 5. Better gigs for 100 bucks per day (10-12 hours normal, occasionally 15) Before you get even to scale pay it’s usually Years or you need a Lot of luck. So you basically work for minimal or under minimal wage well into your thirties easy. So you have to have two jobs and work pretty much around the clock. And even if you get a better paid job (think 300 bucks a day) nobody guarantees that the next one will come sooner than next year (or never). Or you live almost dirt poor. Still wanna do it? |
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