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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 10, 2019 0:40:08 GMT
While looking for something else, I came upon this image of a newspaper from October 24, 1929 with an article headline that caught my eye ...  Further digging found a wiki article but no further details ... funny, when they research something in a movie, they alwsys find tons of info with just a few keyboard clicks....  " Consolidated Film Industries was a film laboratory and film processing company and was one of the leading film laboratories in the Los Angeles area for many decades. CFI processed negatives and made prints for motion pictures and television. The company or its employees received many Academy Awards for scientific or technical achievements.
CFI was incorporated in New York in March 1924 by Herbert Yates. It was reincorporated in Delaware in 1927 by the merger of several earlier companies, including Republic Laboratories, which he bought in 1918, and the Allied Film Laboratories Association, which he formed in 1919.
The prospectus claimed, Consolidated Film Industries, Inc. of Delaware was being incorporated to succeed a Company of a similar name formed in March 1924 under the laws of New York, for developing of motion picture negatives, printing the necessary positives and delivering the positives as instructed by the motion picture producers or distributors, thus rendering an essential service to the motion picture industry. The Company operates six plants, known in the motion picture business as "laboratories," in New York, New Jersey, and California. One of these acquired properties was the Biograph Studios film laboratory facilities in the Bronx, New York. Consolidated Film Industries, Inc. was the largest concern of its kind and was at one time the largest purchaser of motion picture film in the world. The business was built upon the sound foundation of quality and service at a price, in most instances, below the motion picture producer's own laboratory cost. This low price made possible through the Company's efficient and large-scale operations.
In movies and television which used the company's color processing, they were typically only referred to by their initials, the credit usually reading "Color by CFI". For a time in the late eighties, CFI was jokingly said to stand for "Can't Find It" or 'C.F.I. Care'. "
Gladys Baker, the mother of Marilyn Monroe, worked for Consolidated as a negative film cutter; Monroe's biological father is believed to have been fellow Consolidated employee Charles Stanley Gifford.
According to a news item on the front page of the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, on October 24, 1929, the laboratories of Consolidated Film Industries in Hollywood were destroyed by an explosion and fire. One man was killed, and motion picture films worth millions of dollars were lost.
Consolidated Film Industries acquired Prizmacolor in 1928 and was acquired by Technicolor, Inc. in 2000. Over time Technicolor operated both the Universal City lab and CFI's lab in Hollywood, but as demand decreased, the decision was made to shut down CFI. Technicolor ceased operations in Universal City as a film laboratory in 2008.
The original CFI building at 959 Seward Street in Hollywood had been the company's home for more than 60 years. After the structure was demolished, the lot lay vacant for many years before a low-rise office complex was constructed in 2014. more
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Post by spiderwort on Dec 10, 2019 3:25:00 GMT
Oh, Bat, I did so much work at/with CFI over the years at their Seward Street location, but I never heard this story before! Makes me sad. Really. That and the fact that CFI, at one time the premiere film lab, no longer exists -- because "film" as we once knew it no longer exists either. I miss the days when it did.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 10, 2019 3:31:47 GMT
Oh, Bat, I did so much work at/with CFI over the years at their Seward Street location, but I never heard this story before! Makes me sad. Really. That and the fact that CFI, at one time the premiere film lab, no longer exists -- because "film" as we knew it no longer exists either. I miss the days when it did. Since I don't know what a film lab actually does .... all I can figure is that maybe they lost the films that they were working on at the time ? Would they have been worth Millions of $$$ ? The headline and article give no details and I am now very  curious.
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Post by spiderwort on Dec 10, 2019 3:48:50 GMT
Since I don't know what a film lab actually does .... all I can figure is that maybe they lost the films that they were working on at the time ? Would they have been worth Millions of $$$ ? The headline and article give no details and I am now very  curious.
The labs (there were many, but CFI was the preeminent one) processed the film negatives and printed positive prints to be edited. They also had negative cutters who cut the negatives for films, based upon the final edited workprints supplied by the production companies. And they had people who helped with color "correction" -- i.e. made sure the color saturations met the needs/desires of the filmmakers. When all that was done, they then printed the film "masters" from which they then printed all the distribution/"release" prints that were shipped around the world in 2000 feet reels (roughly 20 minutes each).
But today almost everything is done digitally, so there's little need left for labs to do much work with film and hence little money to be made. That's why CFI was shut down in 2008.
Ironically, with few exceptions, most lab work now lies in taking finished digital "films" and transferring them to celluloid film for archival purposes; in other words, the studios make film "masters," because they know how fragile the digital format is and how easily they could lose their product if it's not on real film. For someone who doesn't like digital and would always rather shoot on film, this is a sad irony, indeed. But with very few exceptions (Spielberg being one, and even he doesn't know how much longer he can hold out), that's really how the "film" world works these days. Like Spielberg, I know how much is lost in that translation.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 10, 2019 3:56:31 GMT
spiderwortAlways good to learn more about the technical parts of film making … kinda figured that was maybe what they were up to there at CFI … ...but the millions of 1929 $$$ lost and nothing on the net that I can find except this Brooklyn Daily Eagle page and the short paragraph mention on wiki. No biggy ... mere curiosity !
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Post by spiderwort on Dec 10, 2019 4:13:26 GMT
spiderwort Always good to learn more about the technical parts of film making … kinda figured that was maybe what they were up to there at CFI … ...but the millions of 1929 $$$ lost and nothing on the net that I can find except this Brooklyn Daily Eagle page and the short paragraph mention on wiki. No biggy ... mere curiosity !
Oh, sorry. I misunderstood your question. I would assume that most of that money was lost because the films they were working on and/or storing in 1929 were made out of silver nitrate stock, not celluloid, and hence were quick to burn. Under those circumstances, the costs would have quickly risen. I'm sure that's what happened. And when you add in production costs as well -- money spent on the films that were lost -- the total losses would have been overwhelming.
And I just wanted to add one more thing about what CFI (and other labs) did before digital completely took over - in the transition in other words: when films were still shot on film but edited digitally, the lab, through what is known as telecine, would transfer the film negatives to the digital format for editing. Then, when the editing was done, they'd transfer the digital final cuts back to the film format. Those were the last good days, in my view.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 10, 2019 4:46:43 GMT
spiderwortOne would hope to find mention of these films that were far enough advanced that they were "in the lab" being processed, assembled or copies being made for distribution and yet, so far, nada. It's got a be there on the net or in a book somewhere ! Would think that they might have had to re-shoot at least some of those pictures.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 10, 2019 17:27:33 GMT
This must be the aftermath of the fire. 
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Post by spiderwort on Dec 10, 2019 22:40:42 GMT
spiderwort One would hope to find mention of these films that were far enough advanced that they were "in the lab" being processed, assembled or copies being made for distribution and yet, so far, nada. It's got a be there on the net or in a book somewhere ! Would think that they might have had to re-shoot at least some of those pictures.
Bat, I researched this yesterday and was unable to find out anything more than what you've already mentioned. If that changes, I'll let you know. I'm curious, too.
EDIT: Oh, I just found this, which adds a bit more information and confirms my general assessment, especially in this: "It is believed that 75 per cent of Hollywood’s film companies stored their master films in this laboratory."
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 10, 2019 22:58:05 GMT
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Post by Doghouse6 on Dec 10, 2019 23:34:10 GMT
spiderwort One would hope to find mention of these films that were far enough advanced that they were "in the lab" being processed, assembled or copies being made for distribution and yet, so far, nada. It's got a be there on the net or in a book somewhere ! Would think that they might have had to re-shoot at least some of those pictures.
Bat, I researched this yesterday and was unable to find out anything more than what you've already mentioned. If that changes, I'll let you know. I'm curious, too.
EDIT: Oh, I just found this, which adds a bit more information and confirms my general assessment, especially in this: "It is believed that 75 per cent of Hollywood’s film companies stored their master films in this laboratory."
I'm glad you came across this, as it provides an opportunity to expand upon your extensive remarks upthread. Even when I was in the biz into the late '80s, it was common for the big labs all around town, including CFI, to serve as storage facilities for preprint materials as well as processing ones, which simplified handling when distributors ordered new prints stuck; they were already right where they needed to be. A side note to that, and one to strike terror into the heart of any current-day film preservation professional: back in '29, original cut negatives were still used, often as not, as printing negatives for exhibition positives.
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Post by spiderwort on Dec 11, 2019 0:00:22 GMT
I'm glad you cam across this, as it provides an opportunity to expand upon your extensive remarks upthread. Even when I was in the biz into the late '80s, it was common for the big labs all around town, including CFI, to serve as storage facilities for preprint materials as well as processing ones, which simplified handling when distributors ordered new prints stuck; they were already right where they needed to be. A side note to that, and one to strike terror into the heart of any current-day film preservation professional: back in '29, original cut negatives were still used, often as not, as printing negatives for exhibition positives.
Of course, it would have made sense for the labs to keep them when they were going to be making distribution prints. And your side note does indeed it strike terror in me and others, I'm sure. That said, when I was making my own short films as a teenager, I sent off my cut negatives to have positive prints made. I think about that now and shudder. But that was my only option then, and for whatever reason I guess it was often the preferred option in the early days of the industry. That, combined with their use of silver nitrate stock, could have been (doubtless was) a disaster waiting to happen.
Nice to chat with you about this again. I love our shared experiences. I love that you know film! I miss seeing it on the screen, but I even miss holding it in my hands, touching it, and turning it in a moviola one frame at a time. Oh, boy. Those were the days.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Dec 11, 2019 0:27:34 GMT
I'm glad you cam across this, as it provides an opportunity to expand upon your extensive remarks upthread. Even when I was in the biz into the late '80s, it was common for the big labs all around town, including CFI, to serve as storage facilities for preprint materials as well as processing ones, which simplified handling when distributors ordered new prints stuck; they were already right where they needed to be. A side note to that, and one to strike terror into the heart of any current-day film preservation professional: back in '29, original cut negatives were still used, often as not, as printing negatives for exhibition positives. Nice to chat with you about this again. I love our shared experiences. I love that you know film! I miss seeing it on the screen, but I even miss holding it in my hands, touching it, and turning it in a moviola one frame at a time. Oh, boy. Those were the days.
Your experiences were more hands-on than mine, so my "sense memory" no doubt differs from yours, but I was close enough to various processes that the first thing I always think about is the smells; vinegar syndrome and the like from the chemicals involved, and the scents that would waft from a just-opened film can. First time I walked into a lab (Technicolor or maybe DeLuxe), I thought I'd pass out! Hoo-boy! Just the same, I can imagine some sentimentality attached thereto (and I guess I even have some myself), but the sentiment is much sweeter (ahem) for me as only a memory rather than an experience.
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