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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 14, 2019 1:14:08 GMT
The guy next door. How would you know?  That was a good, intense movie. One of the better ones of the genre. Yes, gritty, disturbing and well enough acted. Otis was an exemplar creep.
It was filmed in 86', but not released until the early 90's due to its controversial subject matter.
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 14, 2019 1:30:58 GMT
didnt know this guy existed and now spend half of day reading about his life. kinda interesting case. did your ex ever say anything about him and how he appeared to other people? She just said he was creepy but didn’t really know him. They worked in the same job centre.
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Post by dirtypillows on Dec 14, 2019 1:31:13 GMT
That was a good, intense movie. One of the better ones of the genre. Yes, gritty, disturbing and well enough acted. Otis was an exemplar creep.
It was filmed in 86', but not released until the early 90's due to its controversial subject matter.
I know you are not a big fan (I could be mistaken), but I think Danny Peary gave Henry Lee Lucas a nod for his "Alternate Oscar" book.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 14, 2019 1:36:41 GMT
Yes, gritty, disturbing and well enough acted. Otis was an exemplar creep.
It was filmed in 86', but not released until the early 90's due to its controversial subject matter.
I know you are not a big fan (I could be mistaken), but I think Danny Peary gave Henry Lee Lucas a nod for his "Alternate Oscar" book. I loved reading Peary's Alternate Oscar. I don't recall him giving a nod, or award worthy runner up nod to Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer though.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 14, 2019 1:38:57 GMT
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Post by dirtypillows on Dec 14, 2019 1:39:23 GMT
I know you are not a big fan (I could be mistaken), but I think Danny Peary gave Henry Lee Lucas a nod for his "Alternate Oscar" book. I loved reading Peary's Alternate Oscar. I don't recall him giving a nod, or award worthy runner up nod to Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer though.
As soon as I read your post, I recalled it must have been IY who did not care for Peary. Go figure. I liked DP a lot also. Such fun and interesting observations! He didn't seem snooty, either. My favorite film critic, after Pauline Kael, of course.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 14, 2019 1:42:55 GMT
I loved reading Peary's Alternate Oscar. I don't recall him giving a nod, or award worthy runner up nod to Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer though.
As soon as I read your post, I recalled it must have been IY who did not care for Peary. Go figure. I liked DP a lot also. Such fun and interesting observations! He didn't seem snooty, either. My favorite film critic, after Pauline Kael, of course. Yes, it figures! What a depressing lump of lard the eyeball would've been to be around. Everything would have been contradicted.
With critics, it is not so much their opinion, because it is all subjective, but the manner of delivery and quality of writing that sells their opinion. Kael was good at looking at why she felt things did or didn't work. Peary was honest and passionate and came across as a genuine, open and nice guy.
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Post by dirtypillows on Dec 14, 2019 2:00:22 GMT
As soon as I read your post, I recalled it must have been IY who did not care for Peary. Go figure. I liked DP a lot also. Such fun and interesting observations! He didn't seem snooty, either. My favorite film critic, after Pauline Kael, of course. Yes, it figures! What a depressing lump of lard the eyeball would've been to be around. Everything would have been contradicted.
With critics, it is not so much their opinion, because it is all subjective, but the manner of delivery and quality of writing that sells their opinion. Kael was good at looking at why she felt things did or didn't work. Peary was honest and passionate and came across as a genuine, open and nice guy.
Yes, for sure. A rare quality in a critic. He does seem like a nice guy. Very relaxed and upbeat as well. Almost the opposite of cynical. Pauline Kael was such a good, exciting writer. I could recommend her 1968 essay "Trash, Art and the Movies" to anybody.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 14, 2019 2:05:18 GMT
Yes, it figures! What a depressing lump of lard the eyeball would've been to be around. Everything would have been contradicted.
With critics, it is not so much their opinion, because it is all subjective, but the manner of delivery and quality of writing that sells their opinion. Kael was good at looking at why she felt things did or didn't work. Peary was honest and passionate and came across as a genuine, open and nice guy.
Yes, for sure. A rare quality in a critic. He does seem like a nice guy. Very relaxed and upbeat as well. Almost the opposite of cynical. Pauline Kael was such a good, exciting writer. I could recommend her 1968 essay "Trash, Art and the Movies" to anybody. There is a new doco out called What She Said: The Art Of Pauline Kael. A friend of mine saw it in July at a film festival. She loved it! She didn't know who PK was and I had to talk her into going.
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Post by moonchild on Dec 14, 2019 2:59:32 GMT
Same here. In fact I live in the area where Bundy and Ridgeway preyed on their victims Excellent. You can regale unsuspecting strangers how you survived being in the midst of serial killers. *Also, don't forget about the I-5 serial killer. Sheer luck? Guardian Angel? I hitchhiked back then
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Post by Honolulu on Dec 14, 2019 3:00:58 GMT
I lived in the DC area when those two snipers were on the loose (2002?). Maybe three people killed within five miles of my place. I remember the snipers but as a rule most serial killers are white males and black people tend not to be serial killers so you're probably safe.  I thought members of street gangs were basically serial killers that hunted in groups. Their behavior definitely fits the profile of serial killers. |
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Post by bravomailer on Dec 14, 2019 3:07:09 GMT
Forgot about Daumer. I lived in Chicago during his killings. John Wayne Gacy was arrested shortly before I moved there.
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Post by gameboy on Dec 14, 2019 3:09:20 GMT
I remember the snipers but as a rule most serial killers are white males and black people tend not to be serial killers so you're probably safe. I thought members of street gangs were basically serial killers that hunted in groups. Their behavior definitely fits the profile of serial killers. Sure, there are Mafia hitmen who have killed more people than most serial killers. But serial killers unlike gang murderers by definition don't have a motive like greed or revenge or protecting turf. Their motive is usually sexual.
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Post by ant-mac on Dec 14, 2019 6:09:51 GMT
Not now, but I did about two decades ago. Lived in the same area where most of the crimes were committed, travelled the same routes the killers took to where their victims were hidden, even attended a part at a house next to where the bodies were later stored. Snowtown? (actually, I read people from Snowtown get annoyed about the murders associated with it, as its only connection to the killings was maybe 1 victim came from the town; the murders occurred elsewhere.) It has stronger ties than that. The bodies were stored in an old bank vault on the main street there. And it's possible that at least one person was actually killed inside the bank too. However, it all happened quite a while ago, so I'm sure there are multiple versions of what happened now available for public consumption.
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Post by loofapotato on Dec 16, 2019 4:17:02 GMT
I remember the snipers but as a rule most serial killers are white males and black people tend not to be serial killers so you're probably safe. I thought members of street gangs were basically serial killers that hunted in groups. Their behavior definitely fits the profile of serial killers. Even better stories to tell! |
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Post by hi224 on Dec 16, 2019 8:26:46 GMT
wow 54 posts.
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 16, 2019 10:56:49 GMT
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Post by gameboy on Dec 16, 2019 19:43:52 GMT
Dude, I think that Jack the Ripper can easily be qualified as the first serial killer. I'm more interested in the idea that the serial killer has become almost a meme in our culture. But there were probably such psychos going back to medieval and ancient times. Or were there? Is this some new phenomena or do we only know about it now because of media?
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 16, 2019 20:18:22 GMT
Dude, I think that Jack the Ripper can easily be qualified as the first serial killer. I'm more interested in the idea that the serial killer has become almost a meme in our culture. But there were probably such psychos going back to medieval and ancient times. Or were there? Is this some new phenomena or do we only know about it now because of media? The Wikipedia article supports that theory but at the same time claims that Jack The Ripper was not the first serial killer. Here is a list of earlier serial killers.
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Post by gameboy on Dec 17, 2019 5:47:27 GMT
Dude, I think that Jack the Ripper can easily be qualified as the first serial killer. I'm more interested in the idea that the serial killer has become almost a meme in our culture. But there were probably such psychos going back to medieval and ancient times. Or were there? Is this some new phenomena or do we only know about it now because of media? The Wikipedia article supports that theory but at the same time claims that Jack The Ripper was not the first serial killer. Here is a list of earlier serial killers. As the examples from your link show serial killers are not a modern phenomenon based on our modern decadence and moral depravity. There have always been Dahmers and Bundys. It's an intrinsic defect of human nature. It was probably more prevalent in ancient times because there was no modern forensics to investigate these beasts.
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