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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 22, 2017 20:29:08 GMT
At the very least a certain region of the world would be a lot more stable
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 24, 2017 18:34:17 GMT
tpfkar Likely not by people who actually raised families. And most things prohibited by religion flowed from peoples' attitudes into religion, before back out to people again. yeah baby, yeah |
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Post by Vegas on Apr 25, 2017 16:29:59 GMT
There would be less divisions, less wars and crrtain things would be accepted that are not today. Incest for example would be accepted and rightly so. Wait... WHAT?!
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 25, 2017 20:18:16 GMT
There would be less divisions, less wars and crrtain things would be accepted that are not today. Incest for example would be accepted and rightly so.Wait... WHAT?!
The only thing keeping you from fcking your own kid is everybody else's religion?? I never said that. I said the negative attitude towards incest can be traced back to religion. Incest was common before Judaism. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 22:20:51 GMT
I never said that. I said the negative attitude towards incest can be traced back to religion. Incest was common before Judaism. Incest still is common. |
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Post by clusium on Apr 25, 2017 22:27:16 GMT
I never said that. I said the negative attitude towards incest can be traced back to religion. Incest was common before Judaism. Incest still is common. Yes, but we find it abhorrent. |
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Post by Karl Aksel on Apr 26, 2017 8:23:57 GMT
Wait... WHAT?!
The only thing keeping you from fcking your own kid is everybody else's religion?? I never said that. I said the negative attitude towards incest can be traced back to religion. Incest was common before Judaism. And where does religion get it from? |
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Post by Nostalgias4Geeks🌈 on Apr 26, 2017 8:32:35 GMT
Everyone would just find some other reason to kill each other. I don't think it'd make much difference.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 8:58:39 GMT
The world would be the same. Depends on the religion. For example the rate of religious terrorist attacks in the world would be far lower if Islam never existed. |
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Post by dividavi on Apr 26, 2017 9:46:07 GMT
What do you think the state of the world would be like today? Keep in mind, I'm not attempting to offend anyone with this thread. This is just something I as an atheist have wondered about for a while. It's difficult for me to envision a world without religion. People will always have dreams that fakers can interpret. People with diseases will inevitably find themselves at the mercy of hucksters with supposed curative powers. And of course there will be con-men who have visited the afterlife. However, you seem to be asking about organized religion and the world would be a better place without it. A world without organized religion wouldn't have crazy wars over doctrine and there would be no equivalents to ISIS or Hezbollah. It'd be easy for a woman to get an abortion in a world free of organized religion. |
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 26, 2017 11:11:36 GMT
tpfkar The old testament is quite loosey–goosey with the incest. goodbye Andy |
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 26, 2017 15:30:07 GMT
I never said that. I said the negative attitude towards incest can be traced back to religion. Incest was common before Judaism. And where does religion get it from? I see were you are coming from but the reality is that certain things would not be banned or viewed as immoral as widespread as they are without religion. Religion had/has political and cultural influence. |
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 26, 2017 15:37:32 GMT
I never said that. I said the negative attitude towards incest can be traced back to religion. Incest was common before Judaism. Incest still is common. Not in the first world. In my country if you are found to have engaged in incestuousa acts you can face 10 years in jail and get a knock on your door from a psychiatrist. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 26, 2017 15:40:13 GMT
tpfkar The old testament is quite loosey–goosey with the incest. goodbye AndyOT is not entirely about Judaism |
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Post by Karl Aksel on Apr 26, 2017 15:54:15 GMT
And where does religion get it from? I see were you are coming from but the reality is that certain things would not be banned or viewed as immoral as widespread as they are without religion. Religion had/has political and cultural influence. What makes you so sure? Surely you aren't suggesting that religion has a mind of its own, or that there actually is a God behind those religions - meaning the religious precepts represent the actual moral code of an actual God? Those religions got their rules from people - this is not a chicken and egg scenario, people came first, before religion. If religion places a ban on something, it is because people wanted it banned. Even without religion as their vehicle, they would still have wanted the same things banned. Judaism was not alone - or even first - to ban incest, by the way. Hinduism is older, and is every bit as adamant that incest should never occur. The Romans banned incest for religious reasons, too, and they would hardly have gotten that idea from the Jews, who were barely tolerated. If you live anywhere in the West, the law isn't going to care if the incest that took place was between consenting adults and family planning was not in the picture. The authorities are naturally going to care very much indeed if minors were involved, or if the incest resulted in pregnancy. |
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Post by Karl Aksel on Apr 26, 2017 16:02:07 GMT
What do you think the state of the world would be like today? Keep in mind, I'm not attempting to offend anyone with this thread. This is just something I as an atheist have wondered about for a while. It's difficult for me to envision a world without religion. People will always have dreams that fakers can interpret. People with diseases will inevitably find themselves at the mercy of hucksters with supposed curative powers. And of course there will be con-men who have visited the afterlife. However, you seem to be asking about organized religion and the world would be a better place without it. A world without organized religion wouldn't have crazy wars over doctrine and there would be no equivalents to ISIS or Hezbollah. It'd be easy for a woman to get an abortion in a world free of organized religion. Really? I see your organized religion and raise you Soviet Russia. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 16:04:15 GMT
Clashing ideologies usually cause wars. Religion may or may not be a part of that. Some of the biggest murderers in history where atheists.
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Post by Vegas on Apr 26, 2017 16:06:58 GMT
I think that the statistics show that it is accurate. Non-religious people tend only to have children purely for selfish reasons, or by accident. Whereas religious people believe that they are commanded to have offspring in order for those lives to be treasured by the creator of the universe. It's not entirely fair to to do a one to one comparison given the overwhelming numbers discrepancy. They are plenty of religious people on average who have few children to none.
Some don't have kids specifically because they focus on their religion. I think you will find a stronger correlation between class or geographic location than religion. Hell. I've met a few religious couples who were trying not to have children specifically because of their religious beliefs... This world being in the thralls of evil, and all that. |
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Post by Vegas on Apr 26, 2017 16:14:39 GMT
tpfkar The old testament is quite loosey–goosey with the incest.goodbye AndyOT is not entirely about Judaism Yeah... Once Mosaic Law kicks in... It gets pretty specific: DON'T FUCK YOUR RELATIVES. Before that.. You have to assume that Adam and Eve's kids were boinking each other... Abraham and Sarah might have shared some similar DNA... ..and... Lot's daughters had some pretty messed up thinking... Just to name a few. But, again... That was before Judaism was a thing. After that.. It was a definite "no-no". |
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Post by PanLeo on Apr 26, 2017 16:16:45 GMT
I see were you are coming from but the reality is that certain things would not be banned or viewed as immoral as widespread as they are without religion. Religion had/has political and cultural influence. What makes you so sure? Surely you aren't suggesting that religion has a mind of its own, or that there actually is a God behind those religions - meaning the religious precepts represent the actual moral code of an actual God? Those religions got their rules from people - this is not a chicken and egg scenario, people came first, before religion. If religion places a ban on something, it is because people wanted it banned. Even without religion as their vehicle, they would still have wanted the same things banned. Judaism was not alone - or even first - to ban incest, by the way. Hinduism is older, and is every bit as adamant that incest should never occur. The Romans banned incest for religious reasons, too, and they would hardly have gotten that idea from the Jews, who were barely tolerated. If you live anywhere in the West, the law isn't going to care if the incest that took place was between consenting adults and family planning was not in the picture. The authorities are naturally going to care very much indeed if minors were involved, or if the incest resulted in pregnancy. No but religion has influence just like Marxism does. The idea of religion have/had a hold on people like no other ideas do. True but religion is a more effective vehicle. Are you gonna go faster on a bike or in a car? There are people who would consider homosexuality a bad thing because they believe god frowns upon it. If these 21st century people never came into contact with religion no such belief would be held. |
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