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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 12, 2019 18:46:11 GMT
I have two. Feel free to flesh out the list
1. George H. Thomas. The Union loyal Virginian in the American Civil War. He had a nearly immaculate record. Won the first Northern victory at Logan's Cross Roads. Saved Rosecrans at Stones River. Knocked Braxton Bragg off the "impregnable" lines at Missionary Ridge. Whipped John Bell Hood at Peachtree Creek. And won the one real battle of Annihilation at Nashville. The one defeat he was involved in was Chickamauga, where he stood for hours against Bragg's army and save the rest of the Army of the Cumberland. But he was "slow" and didn't get along with Grant and Sherman
2. William Slim. Very successful. One of the great leader in military history. Pity was, he was in a sideshow. And he was a modest man in a war full of egomaniacs. There were no good Slim stories. If he had commanded 21st Army Group instead om Monty, the war would have ended earlier.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 12, 2019 21:23:15 GMT
Alexander Suvorov the last Generalissimo of the Russian Empire. born in either 1729 or 1730 he died in 1800 and he never lost a single battle he had commanded.
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Post by hi224 on Dec 13, 2019 2:29:27 GMT
I would say Belisarius would be one of the most underrated generals in history. He was a general for the Byzantines in the 6th century and he helped Justinian the Great reconquer much of the Italian Peninsula and some of what is modern day Tunisia. Not a lot of people know about him but by all accounts he was an excellent general.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 2:51:47 GMT
Mills
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Post by bravomailer on Dec 13, 2019 5:22:44 GMT
J Lawton Collins (aka "Lightning Joe"). He commanded a division toward the end of the Guadalcanal Campaign and was sent to the European theater as Eisenhower wanted more two- and three-star generals with combat experience before D Day. His VII Corps led the breakout from the small amount of land held by the Allies even six weeks after D Day. He broke though the German position near St Lo, linked up with the Brits near Caen and trapped or killed about 50,000 German troops, then drove rapidly east and was first to cross the Siegfried Line. (Patton got more fame but he drove through the hole that Collins's troops made.) Collins was the uncle of Apollo XI crewman Michael Collins who's often forgotten because Armstrong and Aldrin landed on the moon while he stayed up in the main craft.
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Post by Winter_King on Dec 13, 2019 11:17:12 GMT
Alexander Suvorov the last Generalissimo of the Russian Empire. born in either 1729 or 1730 he died in 1800 and he never lost a single battle he had commanded. Not exactly underrated. Maybe a little unknown but he's usually considered one of the all time greats.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 13, 2019 18:15:46 GMT
J Lawton Collins (aka "Lightning Joe"). He commanded a division toward the end of the Guadalcanal Campaign and was sent to the European theater as Eisenhower wanted more two- and three-star generals with combat experience before D Day. His VII Corps led the breakout from the small amount of land held by the Allies even six weeks after D Day. He broke though the German position near St Lo, linked up with the Brits near Caen and trapped or killed about 50,000 German troops, then drove rapidly east and was first to cross the Siegfried Line. (Patton got more fame but he drove through the hole that Collins's troops made.) Collins was the uncle of Apollo XI crewman Michael Collins who's often forgotten because Armstrong and Aldrin landed on the moon while he stayed up in the main craft. The US had a lot of good corps commanders in the ETO. Lucien Truscott, Troy Middleton, Manton Eddy, Leonard Gerow. Most were better than the army commanders
It must have been an odd feeling for Michael Collins. No person in history was more alone than him
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Post by koskiewicz on Dec 13, 2019 18:30:51 GMT
The choice here for me would be General Heinz Guderian who commanded armor for Uncle Adolph in WWII.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 13, 2019 21:39:57 GMT
The choice here for me would be General Heinz Guderian who commanded armor for Uncle Adolph in WWII. I'd rate Erich von Manstein higher than Guderian. Manstein pulled Germany's irons out of the fire after Stalingrad. He pulled the Wehrmacht out of the Caucasus and stabilized the front. The Russians blew a gigantic hole in the lines, that should have been that. The roads to at least Hungary were wide open. Oh yeah, it was Manstein's plan that brought France down. Guderian never had a field command from the end of 1941. Kesselring too. He was a grest leader of the Luftwaffe and ran rings around the Allies in Italy.
All three were better than Rommel. Model and Heinrici also. If I go for overrated general, I'll mention Rommel
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Post by bluerisk on Dec 14, 2019 3:06:53 GMT
The choice here for me would be General Heinz Guderian who commanded armor for Uncle Adolph in WWII. I'd rate Erich von Manstein higher than Guderian. Manstein pulled Germany's irons out of the fire after Stalingrad. He pulled the Wehrmacht out of the Caucasus and stabilized the front. The Russians blew a gigantic hole in the lines, that should have been that. The roads to at least Hungary were wide open. Oh yeah, it was Manstein's plan that brought France down. Guderian never had a field command from the end of 1941. Kesselring too. He was a grest leader of the Luftwaffe and ran rings around the Allies in Italy.
All three were better than Rommel. Model and Heinrici also. If I go for overrated general, I'll mention Rommel
Will you shut up!
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 14, 2019 16:45:35 GMT
I'd rate Erich von Manstein higher than Guderian. Manstein pulled Germany's irons out of the fire after Stalingrad. He pulled the Wehrmacht out of the Caucasus and stabilized the front. The Russians blew a gigantic hole in the lines, that should have been that. The roads to at least Hungary were wide open. Oh yeah, it was Manstein's plan that brought France down. Guderian never had a field command from the end of 1941. Kesselring too. He was a grest leader of the Luftwaffe and ran rings around the Allies in Italy.
All three were better than Rommel. Model and Heinrici also. If I go for overrated general, I'll mention Rommel
Will you shut up! No
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 7, 2020 11:05:38 GMT
Pompey. Tends to be considered the "also ran" to Julius Caesar, but arguably had the more successful military career. He could also have done what Caesar eventually did (and what Sulla had already done) and marched his army on Rome and installed himself as dictator, but chose not to. He probably would have bested Caesar too if the senate hadn't forced him to engage rather than stick with his original plan of starving Caesar's army.
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Post by general313 on Jan 10, 2020 1:48:01 GMT
Me. I granted T. E. Lawrence 3 months to go work his miracle in the Hejaz.
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Post by koskiewicz on Jan 10, 2020 16:45:04 GMT
Some more favorites:
General Creighton A bombs
General William Wastemoreland
General Curtis "let bomb 'em back to the stone age" LeMay
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Post by hi224 on Jan 14, 2020 0:16:26 GMT
Some more favorites: General Creighton A bombs General William Wastemoreland General Curtis "let bomb 'em back to the stone age" LeMay I agree.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jan 14, 2020 0:43:52 GMT
Its actually impossible to bomb somebody back to the stone age.
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