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Post by Nicko's Nose on Dec 16, 2019 0:19:37 GMT
Saw it a couple hours ago. It's better than the original Lulz.
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Post by onethreetwo on Dec 16, 2019 0:25:14 GMT
Saw it a couple hours ago. It's better than the original Lulz. Well it is. I watched the original a couple days ago. There are like three kills total and it's brutally long and boring. That said it benefits from a little vintage 70's charm. Still though, it's worst than both remakes. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 0:28:02 GMT
No and that is why I mentioned I have been driven away.
It is apparently, and this is based on reviews I have read and some by females, that it is making out that men are vile, the worst and rapists and women are strong and dominant and will fight this toxic male culture. What kind of message is that? It doesn't look like it has any focus. Even slasher films from the past that sexualized both male and females, didn't make out that men were a force to be reckoned with. Most had a final girl that used her wits to outwit the killer.
I mean it kinda does, but in the end ita just a fictional movie. Exactly, it is "fictional" and it hardly appears to be even good "fiction" at that.
The film has alienated an entire demographic, because it wanted to pander to a minority demographic, yet it is a Hollywood mainstream appeal film. Not everyone is into horror or slasher, but there is still a big market out there. Look at last years Halloween reboot. I thought it was crud, but it was a smash hit. This is not smart and is typical of feminist shortsightedness.
The budget was low at $5mill, but why throw away decent money on something that wasn't going to work regardless and then leaving itself open for derision. Are feminist filmmakers now complaining by not allowing them to make their vision, that it would be sexist to deny them the opportunity? If so, this is just absurd pandering and it isn't working.
I am interested in seeing Gerwig's approach to Little Women, but that is a timeless classic story. That will be a success. Most of the other stuff that is feminist woke and getting churned out is bombing. The writing's on the wall.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 0:33:27 GMT
I would go if it wasn't modified for pg13 audiences. I like the director and enjoyed her previous work, especially the wpisode of into The Dark she did. Plus I was at an event were she talked about her work with such passion and level headedness ar the same time, it made me wanna follow her career. Ill give it a shot and take it for what it is. Talk is cheap though nora. She is going to want to sell up her passion, it doesn't mean she is as talented as she may believe she is. I am keen to know your thoughts, but she has already made a huge gaffe regarding who she wants to aim the film for, by attempting to justify the pg13 rating. This may have come down to studio pressure, but she doesn't appear to have much integrity either way, especially in regards to the portrayal of the films theme.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 0:43:11 GMT
I mean it kinda does, but in the end ita just a fictional movie. Exactly, it is "fictional" and it hardly appears to be even good "fiction" at that.
The film has alienated an entire demographic, because it wanted to pander to a minority demographic, yet it is a Hollywood mainstream appeal film. Not everyone is into horror or slasher, but there is still a big market out there. Look at last years Halloween reboot. I thought it was crud, but it was a smash hit. This is not smart and is typical of feminist shortsightedness.
The budget was low at $5mill, but why throw away decent money on something that wasn't going to work regardless and then leaving itself open for derision. Are feminist filmmakers now complaining by not allowing them to make their vision, that it would be sexist to deny them the opportunity? If so, this is just absurd pandering and it isn't working.
I am interested in seeing Gerwig's approach to Little Women, but that is a timeless classic story. That will be a success. Most of the other stuff that is feminist woke and getting churned out is bombing. The writing's on the wall.
its bot a feminist film you iduot. It just has feminists in it who happen to vanquish a possessed pack of ultra whit male chauvinists |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 0:44:51 GMT
The 1974 was classic horror. Creepy and scary and atmospheric, with the Best Movie Christmas Tree ever. And a sorority house big enough 15 corpses. It's got Andrea Martin and Margot Kidder and that lady who plays Mrs. Mac is to die laughing. "Claude, Goddamnit! You little prick! I'm going to have you fixed, Claude!"And the most disturbed prank phone caller I have ever heard. The sick caller just has got to have some kind of multiple personality disorder. John Saxon shows up and it is a welcome sight.I also find some of the boys, like Nash as well as the cute guy whose been taking Claire out. The only two liabilities this movie are Keri Dullea, who is humorless and selfish and ends up bullying the mildly okay Jess. There wasn't high on gore score, the movie makes up in suspense and tension and superlative atmosphere. But now we've got the 2006 versions, 2016 and now 2019, and I don't be going to any of them. I was bored last time I watched it, which was earlier on in the year. I find it starts out better than it finishes. I wasn't scared or felt very invested in the characters, despite an interesting cast. I felt detached and cold to the film.
I thought the Canadians made better slashers into the early 80's, with Happy Birthday To Me, Visiting Hours and even American Gothic.
I liked the 2006 reboot. It was ott and cheesy, but I found it a lot of fun and the last 15mins did have me on edge.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 0:46:55 GMT
Exactly, it is "fictional" and it hardly appears to be even good "fiction" at that.
The film has alienated an entire demographic, because it wanted to pander to a minority demographic, yet it is a Hollywood mainstream appeal film. Not everyone is into horror or slasher, but there is still a big market out there. Look at last years Halloween reboot. I thought it was crud, but it was a smash hit. This is not smart and is typical of feminist shortsightedness.
The budget was low at $5mill, but why throw away decent money on something that wasn't going to work regardless and then leaving itself open for derision. Are feminist filmmakers now complaining by not allowing them to make their vision, that it would be sexist to deny them the opportunity? If so, this is just absurd pandering and it isn't working.
I am interested in seeing Gerwig's approach to Little Women, but that is a timeless classic story. That will be a success. Most of the other stuff that is feminist woke and getting churned out is bombing. The writing's on the wall.
its bot a feminist film you iduot. It just has feminists in it who happen to vanquish a possessed pack of ultra whit male chauvinists I guess it just got lost on you, having you think you are a misogynist, because of a misandrist themed film.... 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 0:54:54 GMT
its bot a feminist film you iduot. It just has feminists in it who happen to vanquish a possessed pack of ultra whit male chauvinists I guess it just got lost on you, having you think you are a misogynist, because of a misandrist themed film.... it was just a trigger. My real life and the film in the end remain mutually independent |
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 16, 2019 1:19:14 GMT
The original film was woke for the time.
Billy is talking about Agnes getting an abortion.
The character in the sweater with the hands on it (forgot her name-oh yeah Olivia (aptly named) Hussey) is also getting an abortion.
Down with the patriarchy!
That's the message.
I think many slasher films have a similar gist actually.
The male characters never help the female victims.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 1:33:14 GMT
I guess it just got lost on you, having you think you are a misogynist, because of a misandrist themed film.... it was just a trigger. My real life and the film in the end remain mutually independent Pleased you can be sure of yourself. Like I commented, if you enjoyed it for whatever reason, that is fine and your call. Taste is all subjective, even if some people may not appear to have any.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 1:38:43 GMT
The original film was woke for the time. Billy is talking about Agnes getting an abortion. The character in the sweater with the hands on it (forgot her name-oh yeah Olivia (aptly named) Hussey) is also getting an abortion. Down with the patriarchy! That's the message. I think many slasher films have a similar gist actually. The male characters never help the female victims. It was interesting that they put these controversial issues in these films, even if they may have appeared to operate on a different dynamic than today. Women still had abortions, regardless of what the moral crusaders thought, and it was and never will be anything that can be controlled.
Male characters in slashers were also victims to the killer also, but for some reason, males have always been seen as more expendable. Killing a female on screen was supposed to be more shocking and with horror, fear can be projected onto a female more easily, due to their softer feminine natures.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 1:44:50 GMT
it was just a trigger. My real life and the film in the end remain mutually independent Pleased you can be sure of yourself. Like I commented, if you enjoyed it for whatever reason, that is fine and your call. Taste is all subjective, even if some people may not appear to have any. yeah. Taste will always appear to be the domain of your woke ass, even if it isnt. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 16, 2019 1:51:08 GMT
It was interesting that they put these controversial issues in these films, even if they may have appeared to operate on a different dynamic than today. Women still had abortions, regardless of what the moral crusaders thought, and it was and never will be anything that can be controlled.
Male characters in slashers were also victims to the killer also, but for some reason, males have always been seen as more expendable. Killing a female on screen was supposed to be more shocking and with horror, fear can be projected onto a female more easily, due to their softer feminine natures.
There's a lot of art in history with women in peril with monsters etc. Thinking of a 19th or 18th century painting of a sleeping naked woman with a monster crouched by her feet. But I wonder if there is some sado-masochist element to showing women being cut up and bloodied, throats slashed..there sure is a lot of it especially after 1959. In the krimi and giallo I think the male characters aren't necessarily side-lined so much. I recall a few where a woman is in jeopardy but then the boyfriend or young policeman shows up to help her...
Loomis helps but he's an old guy (and Michael Myers disappears).
Bird With the Crystal Plumage is one where the character in jeopardy is male (and the perpetrator is..well, won't spoil it).
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 1:57:29 GMT
Pleased you can be sure of yourself. Like I commented, if you enjoyed it for whatever reason, that is fine and your call. Taste is all subjective, even if some people may not appear to have any. yeah. Taste will always appear to be the domain of your woke ass, even if it isnt. I hardly think your feminist woke taste can be relied upon.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 2:04:50 GMT
It was interesting that they put these controversial issues in these films, even if they may have appeared to operate on a different dynamic than today. Women still had abortions, regardless of what the moral crusaders thought, and it was and never will be anything that can be controlled.
Male characters in slashers were also victims to the killer also, but for some reason, males have always been seen as more expendable. Killing a female on screen was supposed to be more shocking and with horror, fear can be projected onto a female more easily, due to their softer feminine natures.
There's a lot of art in history with women in peril with monsters etc. Thinking of a 19th or 18th century painting of a sleeping naked woman with a monster crouched by her feet. But I wonder if there is some sado-masochist element to showing women being cut up and bloodied, throats slashed..there sure is a lot of it especially after 1959. In the krimi and giallo I think the male characters aren't necessarily side-lined so much. I recall a few where a woman is in jeopardy but then the boyfriend or young policeman shows up to help her...
Loomis helps but he's an old guy (and Michael Myers disappears).
Bird With the Crystal Plumage is one where the character in jeopardy is male (and the perpetrator is..well, won't spoil it).
I need to see earlier Argento. I only started watching from Deep Red, a female killer was it if I recall?
All art was doing, was representing and projecting the societal construct of women. Men have always been seen as the guardian of women and children for the most part and that is just human or gender nature. Besides, a female gets compensations for acting girly and scared because of their feminine nature, it comes with the package. It is not masculine for a male to act the same way and males were left open for easier ridicule by other males and by females also, who had an expectation as to how their males should act. Women are too blame as well for this image portrayed.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 16, 2019 2:21:36 GMT
All art was doing, was representing and projecting the societal construct of women. Men have always been seen as the guardian of women and children for the most part and that is just human or gender nature. Besides, a female gets compensations for acting girly and scared because of their feminine nature, it comes with the package. It is not masculine for a male to act the same way and males were left open for easier ridicule by other males and by females also, who had an expectation as to how their males should act. Women are too blame as well for this image portrayed.
There's a Nature element to it as well. Art should reflect Nature. If it does not, and isn't honest about it, then I think it enters the category of propaganda. A single work against the norm may shock or satisfy and not rattle common sense, but the more it goes off into message land the more absurd it will become-especially after the novelty wears off. It's plausible for Ripley to be the last survivor in ALIEN. Less plausible that she would be the last survivor of a group of Marines in ALIENS.
This is the case with SCREAM where the alleged realism and female empowerment is thwarted by something as ridiculous (and impossible) as Neve Campbell dragging her father bound and tied into a hallway closet and for no logical reason. The logical practical thing for her would have been to cut the ropes with a kitchen knife a few feet away and have him aid her in fighting the two killers. At the very least, if they were going to keep him out of it, have him knocked unconscious. They put him in the closet so they could get another jump scare and also to drive home the point that 5'4 100 pound Sydney could defeat 2 males without the aid of her 6 foot something, 200 pound father.
Propaganda insert at its worst.
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Post by Nora on Dec 16, 2019 2:55:46 GMT
I like the director and enjoyed her previous work, especially the wpisode of into The Dark she did. Plus I was at an event were she talked about her work with such passion and level headedness ar the same time, it made me wanna follow her career. Ill give it a shot and take it for what it is. Talk is cheap though nora. She is going to want to sell up her passion, it doesn't mean she is as talented as she may believe she is. I am keen to know your thoughts, but she has already made a huge gaffe regarding who she wants to aim the film for, by attempting to justify the pg13 rating. This may have come down to studio pressure, but she doesn't appear to have much integrity either way, especially in regards to the portrayal of the films theme. I mean i have seen her previous work so i know what she directed and that I liked it, so together with the way she talked about her projects and craft kept me interested. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 3:04:34 GMT
Talk is cheap though nora. She is going to want to sell up her passion, it doesn't mean she is as talented as she may believe she is. I am keen to know your thoughts, but she has already made a huge gaffe regarding who she wants to aim the film for, by attempting to justify the pg13 rating. This may have come down to studio pressure, but she doesn't appear to have much integrity either way, especially in regards to the portrayal of the films theme. I mean i have seen her previous work so i know what she directed and that I liked it, so together with the way she talked about her projects and craft kept me interested. I understand why you are interested in seeing BC. Will look forward to hearing your take on it. Even with the biased anti-male slant the film appears to have taken, I would have been there with xmas bells on if the violent and sexual content wasn't watered down and I am sure that is why many others have stayed away in droves. The have squandered part of the films raison d'etre.
I could see it today, but would rather go and see FvF again.
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Post by Nora on Dec 16, 2019 3:12:23 GMT
I mean i have seen her previous work so i know what she directed and that I liked it, so together with the way she talked about her projects and craft kept me interested. I understand why you are interested in seeing BC. Will look forward to hearing your take on it. Even with the biased anti-male slant the film appears to have taken, I would have been there with xmas bells on if the violent and sexual content wasn't watered down and I am sure that is why many others have stayed away in droves. The have squandered part of the films raison d'etre.
I could see it today, but would rather go and see FvF again.
watch her episode of Into the dark, I really liked it. Will let you know once I see BC, didn’t get around to it today... |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 3:19:20 GMT
I understand why you are interested in seeing BC. Will look forward to hearing your take on it. Even with the biased anti-male slant the film appears to have taken, I would have been there with xmas bells on if the violent and sexual content wasn't watered down and I am sure that is why many others have stayed away in droves. The have squandered part of the films raison d'etre.
I could see it today, but would rather go and see FvF again.
watch her episode of Into the dark, I really liked it. Will let you know once I see BC, didn’t get around to it today... I am feeling mighty disappointed at the BC modification. If they had shown a strong and vile sexually violent sequence and then some mean and nasty kills for revenge, then it would make more sense to me, than just what appears to have amounted to a distorted social message being plugged. Mean characters, deserve mean things to happen to them in the movie world.
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