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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 15, 2019 6:56:22 GMT
It's been so long since I saw Single White Female that I remember very little about it. Is that the one where Jennifer Jason Leigh's character kills a puppy? Oh yeah! I had blocked that part out. Awww, puppies, I love the puppies. She kills a bunch of humans, too, and has great props, like a bloody stiletto heel and, of course, the wheelbarrow! Hi Eowyn!
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 15, 2019 7:43:31 GMT
Nice genre invention of mine. The Cheesy Pot Boiler.... 
Well, The Fan - 81' is a good start. Well intentioned, top cast and less than sterling presentation in preparing the pot. It is still fun in an awful kind of way.
Oh, I love this one, Visiting Hours - 82'. This one is actually quite suspenseful and does everything right that The Fan gets wrong. Lee Grant, Michael Ironside, Linda Purl and William Shatner.
Vice Squad - 82'. Nifty little sleaze thriller about a psycho who has more love for his pimp stick, moreso than for his whores.
10 To Midnight - 83'. Bronson stalks a impotent psycho that likes to get nude for his kills. Quite well acted, but also a very sleazy and ugly looking film.
If you haven't seen em', that should keep you going. Dang, I haven't seen any of them. Hmm, they sound like I might find them great fun, but I'm still trying to get a frame of reference. Have you seen Single White Female (1992)? Would you say that's in the ballpark, or maybe a Neo-Cheesy Pot Boiler? I *love* that. Cheesy pot-boilers, being a sub sub genre, no frame of reference will be adequate nor absolute. All subjective how you want to categorize them. You can watch those I suggested and make up your own mind about how much the cheese boils over...
SWF I would say could be a Neo-Cheesy Pot Boiler. But then again, those I mentioned could be considered neo for their time, as they were polished b grade thrillers more spiced up with 80's style sex and violence. Do yourself a favor if you can get an opportunity. I'm sure Diana Christensen would love to get them on her network to boost up her ratings before she gets as mad as hell.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 15, 2019 7:49:51 GMT
Dang, I haven't seen any of them. Hmm, they sound like I might find them great fun, but I'm still trying to get a frame of reference. Have you seen Single White Female (1992)? Would you say that's in the ballpark, or maybe a Neo-Cheesy Pot Boiler? I *love* that. Cheesy pot-boilers, being a sub sub genre, no frame of reference will be adequate nor absolute. All subjective how you want to categorize them. You can watch those I suggested and make up your own mind about how much the cheese boils over... SWF I would say could be a Neo-Cheesy Pot Boiler. But then again, those I mentioned could be considered neo for their time, as they were polished b grade thrillers more spiced up with 80's style sex and violence. Do yourself a favor if you can get an opportunity. I'm sure Diana Christensen would love to get them on her network to boost up her ratings before she gets as mad as hell.
Will do. I don't torrent, but pretty much whatever else. The search shall commence. 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 15, 2019 7:56:00 GMT
Cheesy pot-boilers, being a sub sub genre, no frame of reference will be adequate nor absolute. All subjective how you want to categorize them. You can watch those I suggested and make up your own mind about how much the cheese boils over... SWF I would say could be a Neo-Cheesy Pot Boiler. But then again, those I mentioned could be considered neo for their time, as they were polished b grade thrillers more spiced up with 80's style sex and violence. Do yourself a favor if you can get an opportunity. I'm sure Diana Christensen would love to get them on her network to boost up her ratings before she gets as mad as hell.
Will do. I don't torrent, but pretty much whatever else. The search shall commence. I've got em' on dvd. I don't torrent or stream movies, except what I can find on you tube.
Don't be a , be stealthy like a  . Oh, Revenge Of The Ninja - 83', another cheesy pot boiler...
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Post by dirtypillows on Dec 15, 2019 8:25:33 GMT
I must find this and eat it, I mean, see it. Was Biehn convincing? What are the most famous cheesy pot boilers, so I'd know the genre? Nice genre invention of mine. The Cheesy Pot Boiler....
Well, The Fan - 81' is a good start. Well intentioned, top cast and less than sterling presentation in preparing the pot. It is still fun in an awful kind of way.
Oh, I love this one, Visiting Hours - 82'. This one is actually quite suspenseful and does everything right that The Fan gets wrong. Lee Grant, Michael Ironside, Linda Purl and William Shatner.
Vice Squad - 82'. Nifty little sleaze thriller about a psycho who has more love for his pimp stick, moreso than for his whores.
10 To Midnight - 83'. Bronson stalks a impotent psycho that likes to get nude for his kills. Quite well acted, but also a very sleazy and ugly looking film.
If you haven't seen em', that should keep you going.
Those are all good ones. the guy in VH was the creepiest/also most sympathetic amongst the sleaze, the Davis kid had the best butt, Wings Hauser was probably the most deeply scary and Douglas was a total flake. Yes, they got that one really confused. The novel was written by a gay man and so that would have made sense, but his sexual interests were so goofy in the movie. Nothing against Lauren Bacall, but this boy didn't have it in him. I would have loved to see Douglas and Belle go ten rounds in the boxing ring.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 15, 2019 8:53:28 GMT
Nice genre invention of mine. The Cheesy Pot Boiler....
Well, The Fan - 81' is a good start. Well intentioned, top cast and less than sterling presentation in preparing the pot. It is still fun in an awful kind of way.
Oh, I love this one, Visiting Hours - 82'. This one is actually quite suspenseful and does everything right that The Fan gets wrong. Lee Grant, Michael Ironside, Linda Purl and William Shatner.
Vice Squad - 82'. Nifty little sleaze thriller about a psycho who has more love for his pimp stick, moreso than for his whores.
10 To Midnight - 83'. Bronson stalks a impotent psycho that likes to get nude for his kills. Quite well acted, but also a very sleazy and ugly looking film.
If you haven't seen em', that should keep you going.
Those are all good ones. the guy in VH was the creepiest/also most sympathetic amongst the sleaze, the Davis kid had the best butt, Wings Hauser was probably the most deeply scary and Douglas was a total flake. Yes, they got that one really confused. The novel was written by a gay man and so that would have made sense, but his sexual interests were so goofy in the movie. Nothing against Lauren Bacall, but this boy didn't have it in him. I would have loved to see Douglas and Belle go ten rounds in the boxing ring. Which one is Wings Hauser in? What's a pimp stick (also for Toasted Cheese)? Also, I've seen Star 80. I guess it's not cheesy enough, and it's too tragic because it's biographical, but maybe it's in a tangential subgenre.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 15, 2019 8:55:51 GMT
Haha the Fan. I like how DeNiro keeps talking about Coop-"Coop always said hold the bat like...." then we finally meet Coop (Norris from the Thing, working as a night watchman in a junkyard) and he tells DeNiro "I havent thought about baseball since the 3rd grade."
Vice Squad is basically the Terminator with a pimp. I bet the production company suggested Cameron use ideas form their film-they use many of the same street locations from the Terminator.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 15, 2019 8:58:57 GMT
Haha the Fan. I like how DeNiro keeps talking about Coop-"Coop always said hold the bat like...." then we finally meet Coop (Norris from the Thing, working as a night watchman in a junkyard) and he tells DeNiro "I havent thought about baseball since the 3rd grade." Vice Squad is basically the Terminator with a pimp. I bet the production company suggested Cameron use ideas form their film-they use many of the same street locations from the Terminator. Ohhh, okay. So Hauser is in Vice Squad. What's a pimp stick? Is it literally a cane? Should I not be asking because I don't want to know?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 15, 2019 9:02:30 GMT
Nice genre invention of mine. The Cheesy Pot Boiler....
Well, The Fan - 81' is a good start. Well intentioned, top cast and less than sterling presentation in preparing the pot. It is still fun in an awful kind of way.
Oh, I love this one, Visiting Hours - 82'. This one is actually quite suspenseful and does everything right that The Fan gets wrong. Lee Grant, Michael Ironside, Linda Purl and William Shatner.
Vice Squad - 82'. Nifty little sleaze thriller about a psycho who has more love for his pimp stick, moreso than for his whores.
10 To Midnight - 83'. Bronson stalks a impotent psycho that likes to get nude for his kills. Quite well acted, but also a very sleazy and ugly looking film.
If you haven't seen em', that should keep you going. Those are all good ones. the guy in VH was the creepiest/also most sympathetic amongst the sleaze, the Davis kid had the best butt, Wings Hauser was probably the most deeply scary and Douglas was a total flake. Yes, they got that one really confused. The novel was written by a gay man and so that would have made sense, but his sexual interests were so goofy in the movie. Nothing against Lauren Bacall, but this boy didn't have it in him. I would have loved to see Douglas and Belle go ten rounds in the boxing ring. Ironside in Visiting Hours got a good blend going with his psychopathic behavior and giving his Colt a sympathetic factor and this was no mean feat, because there is not much clarity for how his behavior evolved. Apart from some domestic violence issues when he was a child, which don't really cut it in the whole context of his extreme psychosis. He did make me feel like I wanted to give him a hug.
Hauser in Vice Squad was just off the rails frightening. No reason given, or really needed for him, he was just a basket case and enjoyed what he did.
I can't recall any reason for Davis's being a whack job either in 10 To Midnight, other than he liked to use his knife instead of his dork. Do you think that is a big flaw in the movie Mr. D?
Breen in The Fan was really a nancy boy who had an obsession with an old bat who talked and sang croaky—sorry Lauren—and had all the sex appeal of a gnat. They couldn't make him obvious gay, because that would be too shocking and the gay community would get up in arms as they were about Cruising - 80'. He would have been even less likeable and relatable by the simpleminded attitudes of most audiences then. Better to have him cruise and kill a gay dude—no great loss, only a gay guy—to further his twisted agenda.
Now Mr. Dirty, would you say Cruising is a cheesy pot-boiler? I feel this one operates on its own self-reliant autonomy and as ugly, repellent and misguided as I feel it is, it is also strangely fascinating and even sultry. Karen Allen also looked hotter than any of those S&M dudes in leather. That jacket, cap and sunnies fitted her like a glove at the end.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 15, 2019 9:14:29 GMT
Ohhh, okay. So Hauser is in Vice Squad. What's a pimp stick? Is it literally a cane? Should I not be asking because I don't want to know? Isn't a pimp stick the coat hanger he uses to...
Eh, you probably don't want to know.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 15, 2019 9:43:18 GMT
Those are all good ones. the guy in VH was the creepiest/also most sympathetic amongst the sleaze, the Davis kid had the best butt, Wings Hauser was probably the most deeply scary and Douglas was a total flake. Yes, they got that one really confused. The novel was written by a gay man and so that would have made sense, but his sexual interests were so goofy in the movie. Nothing against Lauren Bacall, but this boy didn't have it in him. I would have loved to see Douglas and Belle go ten rounds in the boxing ring. Which one is Wings Hauser in? What's a pimp stick (also for Toasted Cheese )? Also, I've seen Star 80. I guess it's not cheesy enough, and it's too tragic because it's biographical, but maybe it's in a tangential subgenre. Hauser is in Vice Squad. I am not giving away spoilers before you get to see it, but ya better behave and turn enough tricks and no skimming either, or Ramrod will be after ya with his pimp stick.
I have never seen Star 80. Do have a copy to watch though. Looks a bit too tragic for the trueness of it.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 15, 2019 10:20:59 GMT
Another cheesy pot-boiler:  |
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Post by dirtypillows on Dec 15, 2019 19:55:02 GMT
Those are all good ones. the guy in VH was the creepiest/also most sympathetic amongst the sleaze, the Davis kid had the best butt, Wings Hauser was probably the most deeply scary and Douglas was a total flake. Yes, they got that one really confused. The novel was written by a gay man and so that would have made sense, but his sexual interests were so goofy in the movie. Nothing against Lauren Bacall, but this boy didn't have it in him. I would have loved to see Douglas and Belle go ten rounds in the boxing ring. Which one is Wings Hauser in? What's a pimp stick (also for Toasted Cheese )? Also, I've seen Star 80. I guess it's not cheesy enough, and it's too tragic because it's biographical, but maybe it's in a tangential subgenre. WH is in "Vice Squad". And I am thinking that a pimp stick would be a weapon that the evil Wings Hauser character uses on his "girls". "Star 80" belongs to a different group, I would say. It's real life tragedy, like you said, and whereas the others are quite cheesy, "Star 80"is kind of horrifying. I watched Dorothy Stratten's appearance on Johnny Carson, knowing she would be dead a couple months later. She was so sweet and lovely and charming and only starting out in life.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 16, 2019 2:31:39 GMT
Which one is Wings Hauser in? What's a pimp stick (also for Toasted Cheese )? Also, I've seen Star 80. I guess it's not cheesy enough, and it's too tragic because it's biographical, but maybe it's in a tangential subgenre. Hauser is in Vice Squad. I am not giving away spoilers before you get to see it, but ya better behave and turn enough tricks and no skimming either, or Ramrod will be after ya with his pimp stick. Lol. Loud and clear. It's heartbreaking. Okay, glad that's not what this group of films is like.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 16, 2019 2:39:44 GMT
Another cheesy pot-boiler: I get the genre now. I know this one, or at least Avenging Angel; I remember the TV ads, late elementary school for me. Angel, schoolgirl by day, hooker by night. Okay, I got it, camp plus sexploitation, except The Fan (1981) looks like it aspires to be the Sunset Boulevard of cheesy pot boilers, so I bet I'd like that one the most, even though the Angels look like the most fun.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 16, 2019 2:45:54 GMT
Which one is Wings Hauser in? What's a pimp stick (also for Toasted Cheese )? Also, I've seen Star 80. I guess it's not cheesy enough, and it's too tragic because it's biographical, but maybe it's in a tangential subgenre. WH is in "Vice Squad". And I am thinking that a pimp stick would be a weapon that the evil Wings Hauser character uses on his "girls". "Star 80" belongs to a different group, I would say. It's real life tragedy, like you said, and whereas the others are quite cheesy, "Star 80"is kind of horrifying. I watched Dorothy Stratten's appearance on Johnny Carson, knowing she would be dead a couple months later. She was so sweet and lovely and charming and only starting out in life. I've seen that Carson appearance as part of a TV bio on her, maybe it was E True Hollywood Story; those could be surprisingly good. You put it perfectly. Her sweetness, loveliness and youth makes the whole thing even more to bear.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 2:49:09 GMT
Hauser is in Vice Squad. I am not giving away spoilers before you get to see it, but ya better behave and turn enough tricks and no skimming either, or Ramrod will be after ya with his pimp stick. Lol. Loud and clear. It's heartbreaking. Okay, glad that's not what this group of films is like. This is what Martin Scorsese feels about Vice Squad:
There is another cheesy pot-boiler from the mid 80's called Hollywood Vice Squad, which isn't as good, but still fun to watch and directed by a female.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 2:58:32 GMT
Another cheesy pot-boiler: I get the genre now. I know this one, or at least Avenging Angel; I remember the TV ads, late elementary school for me. Angel, schoolgirl by day, hooker by night. Okay, I got it, camp plus sexploitation, except The Fan (1981) looks like it aspires to be the Sunset Boulevard of cheesy pot boilers, so I bet I'd like that one the most, even though the Angels look like the most fun. isn't as good. Donna Wilkes didn't return and a different actress plays her which I found jarring. The sequel lost the charm and innocence of the original as well. Angel is actually quite a sweet natured film for the most part, with some colorful and amusing characters rounding it out, all looking out for each other. Of course what gives it an edge, despite the exploitation factor, is that there is a psycho killer of hookers roaming the streets making it very dangerous for them and a cop on his trail who is also looking out for Angel to help her out of her quandary.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 16, 2019 3:02:58 GMT
The other thing with VICE SQUAD is it shows the weird stuff johns are into--like that old guy in the coffin.
Good grief.
We're all swimming in the neon slime.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 16, 2019 3:08:02 GMT
But back to THE FAN. I feel sorry for his son. The father is a psycho with arrested development at the ballgame and even pushes his kid around trying to get the ball. It was similar to FALLING DOWN in a way too since the DeNiro character was the son of a guy who started a hunting knife business--and he was finally being let go by the company (just as the Douglas character was layed off from the defense contractor business). So it's the white man failure theme (being Hollywood, of course. Wesley Snipes is an awesome dad.  |
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. Oh, Revenge Of The Ninja - 83', another cheesy pot boiler... 
