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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 16, 2019 3:30:05 GMT
But back to THE FAN. I feel sorry for his son. The father is a psycho with arrested development at the ballgame and even pushes his kid around trying to get the ball. It was similar to FALLING DOWN in a way too since the DeNiro character was the son of a guy who started a hunting knife business--and he was finally being let go by the company (just as the Douglas character was layed off from the defense contractor business). So it's the white man failure theme (being Hollywood, of course. Wesley Snipes is an awesome dad.  Interesting comparison to Falling Down. Lol, Hollywood has an impenetrable legacy of depicting white dads as awesome. It's also done more than its fair share of depicting black dads as absentee at best. You will survive Wesley Snipes as a great dad in The Fan.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 16, 2019 3:34:33 GMT
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 16, 2019 3:41:04 GMT
 Even the trailer is awful. I like Maureen Stapleton, but her scream is even cheesy here.
I won't get this on dvd, I own on vhs, due to the alteration of this line of dialog, which is perhaps more shocking than what the rest of the film contains:
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 16, 2019 4:00:57 GMT
Interesting comparison to Falling Down. Lol, Hollywood has an impenetrable legacy of depicting white dads as awesome. It's also done more than its fair share of depicting black dads as absentee at best. You will survive Wesley Snipes as a great dad in The Fan. White dads have been bums since the 70s -80s at least. Wasn't Will Smith was a great dad in Enemy of the State, Independence Day etc. What about Carl Weathers in the Rocky films? Ok he did throw it all away to stand up for the USA against the Soviets but otherwise...
Han Solo is a bad dad, Indiana Jones and his father are bad dads, John McClane, Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven (cant even keep his vow to his wife), etc. I guess Hawkeye was a good dad in the Avengers (so his family had to be wiped out).
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 19, 2019 11:16:23 GMT
Robert De Niro's career was over? People were all, "Whyyyy? He just did Heat and it was so good. Why did he do this?". Lol, looks like he came through it okay. I remember when people thought Dustin Hoffman's career was over. Really? Because of Meet the Parents or whichever? Or are you just joking 'cause of the Rain Man quote in my status?
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Post by buckyv2 on Dec 20, 2019 0:09:05 GMT
I remember when people thought Dustin Hoffman's career was over. Really? Because of Meet the Parents or whichever? Or are you just joking 'cause of the Rain Man quote in my status? It was between Ishtar and Rain Man.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 20, 2019 2:24:53 GMT
Really? Because of Meet the Parents or whichever? Or are you just joking 'cause of the Rain Man quote in my status? It was between Ishtar and Rain Man. One bomb wasn’t going to harm Hoffman, he was still at the top of his game. I do feel he may have been somewhat over-praised for his one note role in Rain Man. Cruise was better and Hoffman should have been regulated to support.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 20, 2019 2:40:04 GMT
Now I do remember when that one came out.
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 20, 2019 3:12:58 GMT
Really? Because of Meet the Parents or whichever? Or are you just joking 'cause of the Rain Man quote in my status? It was between Ishtar and Rain Man. Lol, I think Ishtar is hilarious; I always include it in my best bad movies lists.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 20, 2019 6:13:13 GMT
It was between Ishtar and Rain Man. Lol, I think Ishtar is hilarious; I always include it in my best bad movies lists. I have never seen it because of how bad I heard it was and it never looked appealing. I will have to give it a shot. I love Elaine May in Woody Allen's Small Time Crooks.
Customer: Are you new here? May: No! It's my first day.
Crack me up! 
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Post by dianachristensen on Dec 20, 2019 6:20:53 GMT
Lol, I think Ishtar is hilarious; I always include it in my best bad movies lists. I have never seen it because of how bad I heard it was and it never looked appealing. I will have to give it a shot. I love Elaine May in Woody Allen's Small Time Crooks.
Customer: Are you new here? May: No! It's my first day.
Crack me up!
Oh my gosh, she's amazing in Small Time Crooks. I saw that in the theater; if the floor hadn't been so filthy, I literally would've been rolling on it. Elaine May is some kind of genius. It floors me that the same person who played May Sloane in Small Time Crooks wrote the screenplay for Primary Colors, which I also love. From what I can glean, it seems like Ishtar was marketed horribly so that people were expecting some socio-political statement, or even a modern-day Lawrence of Arabia. It's hilariously stupid slapstick in the desert. If you like the sound of that, you can't go wrong. ETA: I shouldn't put on like Ishtar is wholly without commentary or insight, it has some. The two main characters are supposed to be song writers. Some shmo insists to them that if they want to make it, they have to have a gimmick and slickly market themselves as performers. I'd guess that has a lot to do with May's experience in her own career in entertainment as primarily a writer. When you factor in her year of birth, there's no doubt that more than one of those shmo types approached her about her "look" and needing to have a gimmick and the other things the Beatty and Hoffman characters are told. The funny thing, though, is that she chose to write the whole fable around two seemingly untalented dopes. And hilarity ensues. If you see it, let us know what you think, and remember that low expectations can only help. 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 20, 2019 12:59:19 GMT
I have never seen it because of how bad I heard it was and it never looked appealing. I will have to give it a shot. I love Elaine May in Woody Allen's Small Time Crooks.
Customer: Are you new here? May: No! It's my first day.
Crack me up!
Oh my gosh, she's amazing in Small Time Crooks. I saw that in the theater; if the floor hadn't been so filthy, I literally would've been rolling on it. Elaine May is some kind of genius. It floors me that the same person who played May Sloane in Small Time Crooks wrote the screenplay for Primary Colors, which I also love. From what I can glean, it seems like Ishtar was marketed horribly so that people were expecting some socio-political statement, or even a modern-day Lawrence of Arabia. It's hilariously stupid slapstick in the desert. If you like the sound of that, you can't go wrong. ETA: I shouldn't put on like Ishtar is wholly without commentary or insight, it has some. The two main characters are supposed to be song writers. Some shmo insists to them that if they want to make it, they have to have a gimmick and slickly market themselves as performers. I'd guess that has a lot to do with May's experience in her own career in entertainment as primarily a writer. When you factor in her year of birth, there's no doubt that more than one of those shmo types approached her about her "look" and needing to have a gimmick and the other things the Beatty and Hoffman characters are told. The funny thing, though, is that she chose to write the whole fable around two seemingly untalented dopes. And hilarity ensues. If you see it, let us know what you think, and remember that low expectations can only help. I didn't see STC until it came out on vhs. It was one of those films that I ventured into with much apprehension and zilch enthusiasm and ending up having a great time watching it. One of Allen's better later efforts according to my own taste after the 80's. May was definitely the best part of it, but it had many other saving graces as well. It was just light fun Allen.
Ishtar was the product of over-inflated egos and it sealed May's fate as a director. Not having seen the film, I can't account for the humorous and narrative quality of it, but who were they really wanting to pitch this thing at? Beatty is not my favorite actor and he wasn't exactly a draw card in the 80's. Hoffman was more popular, but it just looked stupid and pardon the pun, dry to me. It also appears to be something that Terence Hill and Bud Spencer could have made for a fraction of the cost and make it a hit.
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