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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 16, 2019 19:17:07 GMT
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Post by MrFurious on Dec 16, 2019 20:18:40 GMT
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Post by DrKrippen on Dec 16, 2019 20:29:48 GMT
What...no bananas?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 16, 2019 21:22:28 GMT
There's tone-deaf and then there's this genius idea. I guess they figure the racists can just hold up these signs instead of making their own.
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 16, 2019 21:53:31 GMT
"I've always been painting monkeys for five to six years, so I thought I'd make this work to teach that we're all apes, I made the western monkey with blue and white eyes, the Asian monkey with almond-shaped eyes and the black monkey positioned in the center, where everything comes from. The monkey becomes the spark to teach everyone that there is no difference, there is no man or monkey, we are all alike. If anything we are all monkeys."
I see nothing wrong with the above symbolism that has been used. In a fight against racism or any issue, one has to be open-minded. A few years ago the NBA team called Sacramento Kings were going to distribute t-shirts that had monkey printed on them. A black player called DeMarcus Cousins objected to it (he was a Sacramento player then) and t-shirt distribution was stopped. The actual reason why those t-shirts had monkeys drawn on them was that it was Chinese year of the monkey. But the immidiate reaction of people was to think it was to taunt blacks.
In my parent's house, a huge Swastika is drawn and it will be the first thing you will notice when you are near the house. It is definitely not meant to be anti-semitic. India is the biggest Jew supporting country but Swastika has a different meaning there. We all are related to monkeys. We had a common ancestor. There is nothing wrong with monkey symbolism unless the intent is wrong.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 17, 2019 12:56:11 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 17, 2019 13:05:36 GMT
"I've always been painting monkeys for five to six years, so I thought I'd make this work to teach that we're all apes, I made the western monkey with blue and white eyes, the Asian monkey with almond-shaped eyes and the black monkey positioned in the center, where everything comes from. The monkey becomes the spark to teach everyone that there is no difference, there is no man or monkey, we are all alike. If anything we are all monkeys."I see nothing wrong with the above symbolism that has been used. In a fight against racism or any issue, one has to be open-minded. A few years ago the NBA team called Sacramento Kings were going to distribute t-shirts that had monkey printed on them. A black player called DeMarcus Cousins objected to it (he was a Sacramento player then) and t-shirt distribution was stopped. The actual reason why those t-shirts had monkeys drawn on them was that it was Chinese year of the monkey. But the immidiate reaction of people was to think it was to taunt blacks. In my parent's house, a huge Swastika is drawn and it will be the first thing you will notice when you are near the house. It is definitely not meant to be anti-semitic. India is the biggest Jew supporting country but Swastika has a different meaning there. We all are related to monkeys. We had a common ancestor. There is nothing wrong with monkey symbolism unless the intent is wrong. As it is with racism, which is why this is a poor choice. I see your point, as I see theirs; but it's too easily misconstrued. The swastika is a classic example of why you have to be careful with your message branding, particularly in the international community. It's seen as a positive symbol in India, but have your parents bring their swastika to a synagogue in another country and try to explain that it's a positive thing.
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 17, 2019 19:10:06 GMT
"I've always been painting monkeys for five to six years, so I thought I'd make this work to teach that we're all apes, I made the western monkey with blue and white eyes, the Asian monkey with almond-shaped eyes and the black monkey positioned in the center, where everything comes from. The monkey becomes the spark to teach everyone that there is no difference, there is no man or monkey, we are all alike. If anything we are all monkeys."I see nothing wrong with the above symbolism that has been used. In a fight against racism or any issue, one has to be open-minded. A few years ago the NBA team called Sacramento Kings were going to distribute t-shirts that had monkey printed on them. A black player called DeMarcus Cousins objected to it (he was a Sacramento player then) and t-shirt distribution was stopped. The actual reason why those t-shirts had monkeys drawn on them was that it was Chinese year of the monkey. But the immidiate reaction of people was to think it was to taunt blacks. In my parent's house, a huge Swastika is drawn and it will be the first thing you will notice when you are near the house. It is definitely not meant to be anti-semitic. India is the biggest Jew supporting country but Swastika has a different meaning there. We all are related to monkeys. We had a common ancestor. There is nothing wrong with monkey symbolism unless the intent is wrong. As it is with racism, which is why this is a poor choice. I see your point, as I see theirs; but it's too easily misconstrued. The swastika is a classic example of why you have to be careful with your message branding, particularly in the international community. It's seen as a positive symbol in India, but have your parents bring their swastika to a synagogue in another country and try to explain that it's a positive thing. Well, the idea should be to dispel racism and not the symbols that have been maligned by racists or any other group. Monkey is a perfect representation for unity of humanity in my opinion. That said it depends on how people take something. I wouldn't automatically perceive something as racist. People do not think the same. I will give benefit of doubt to the artist who gave the statement I put in blue colour in my previous text. Wouldn't cast doubts on his intentions. Italians do not have to align with all the rest of western world in how they believe in symbolism.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 17, 2019 19:28:18 GMT
As it is with racism, which is why this is a poor choice. I see your point, as I see theirs; but it's too easily misconstrued. The swastika is a classic example of why you have to be careful with your message branding, particularly in the international community. It's seen as a positive symbol in India, but have your parents bring their swastika to a synagogue in another country and try to explain that it's a positive thing. Well, the idea should be to dispel racism and not the symbols that have been maligned by racists or any other group. Monkey is a perfect representation for unity of humanity in my opinion. That said it depends on how people take something. I wouldn't automatically perceive something as racist. People do not think the same. I will give benefit of doubt to the artist who gave the statement I put in blue colour in my previous text. Wouldn't cast doubts on his intentions. Italians do not have to align with all the rest of western world in how they believe in symbolism. Again, this is exactly why you have to be careful with how you deliver your message. I wouldn't cast doubt on the artist's intentions because I've read this article. If you don't have the proper context, it looks incredibly racist. A picture of a monkey means nothing. A picture of a monkey in an already racially charged situation is a timebomb. Some ethnicities have been historically compared to primates by racists; that should eliminate primates as mascots against racism. It would be like a campaign poster against homophobia with a literal fairy on it. "Twinkletoes says Respect your gay neighbors."
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 17, 2019 19:37:15 GMT
Well, the idea should be to dispel racism and not the symbols that have been maligned by racists or any other group. Monkey is a perfect representation for unity of humanity in my opinion. That said it depends on how people take something. I wouldn't automatically perceive something as racist. People do not think the same. I will give benefit of doubt to the artist who gave the statement I put in blue colour in my previous text. Wouldn't cast doubts on his intentions. Italians do not have to align with all the rest of western world in how they believe in symbolism. Again, this is exactly why you have to be careful with how you deliver your message. I wouldn't cast doubt on the artist's intentions because I've read this article. If you don't have the proper context, it looks incredibly racist. A picture of a monkey means nothing. A picture of a monkey in an already racially charged situation is a timebomb. Some ethnicities have been historically compared to primates by racists; that should eliminate primates as mascots against racism. It would be like a campaign poster against homophobia with a literal fairy on it. "Twinkletoes says Respect your gay neighbors." But then if I don't have the proper context I wouldn't form an opinion in the first place. This is what I am against. The Italian society is not the same as some other society. The artist who came up with this gave a good and humanitarian reason for why he came up with that symbol. The problem is that now we all want every society to confirm to the same standards and we start ridiculing them if they don't confirm to standards we find acceptable. Monkey is a species closely related to us, there are societies that see it in high regard. Such as the Chinese who have a year dedicated to it. There is a scientific reason to feel close to monkey. If we permanently attach negative meaning to monkey symbol then it shows our lack of maturity.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 17, 2019 19:52:45 GMT
Again, this is exactly why you have to be careful with how you deliver your message. I wouldn't cast doubt on the artist's intentions because I've read this article. If you don't have the proper context, it looks incredibly racist. A picture of a monkey means nothing. A picture of a monkey in an already racially charged situation is a timebomb. Some ethnicities have been historically compared to primates by racists; that should eliminate primates as mascots against racism. It would be like a campaign poster against homophobia with a literal fairy on it. "Twinkletoes says Respect your gay neighbors." But then if I don't have the proper context I wouldn't form an opinion in the first place. This is what I am against. The Italian society is not the same as some other society. The artist who came up with this gave a good and humanitarian reason for why he came up with that symbol. The problem is that now we all want every society to confirm to the same standards and we start ridiculing them if they don't confirm to standards we find acceptable. Monkey is a species closely related to us, there are societies that see it in high regard. Such as the Chinese who have a year dedicated to it. There is a scientific reason to feel close to monkey. If we permanently attach negative meaning to monkey symbol then it shows our lack of maturity. The meaning is only negative when the topic pertains to race, which am anti-racism campaign does. Like I said, the concept of a monkey isn't offensive. Walk into someone's house and they have a picture of a monkey on the wall, I'd think they have no taste but I wouldn't think they were racist. Now say there are two political candidates and one is black, and I show up to a rally carrying a giant picture of a monkey. Suddenly that monkey means something it didn't before. I didn't assign the meaning to it; asshole racists did, ages ago. But the stigma is still there. In a perfect world, the monkey is harmless to everyone. In a perfect world, the swastika you mentioned earlier still has its original positive meaning, the world over, before it was hijacked by the Nazis. But that isn't the way things work. This entire conversation is summed up perfectly here:
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