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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Dec 16, 2019 19:35:39 GMT
This has probably all been said before, but I rewatched AQUAMAN last night and got to thinking about why it doesn't really work for me. The conclusion I came to is this...
Aquaman wants to be about two things at once: Stopping Orm, King of Atlantis from attacking the surface. And Arthur becoming king himself.
To do this, the stories merge, becoming Aquaman must stop Orm's attack by becoming king himself.
This doesn't work. It would be like telling the story of an American becoming the leader of China to prevent China's current leader from attacking the US. He doesn't know the people, the culture or the society. And he only spends a day there in captivity. It makes no sense.
But that's not all. It also wants to be about finding a mythical artifact in the Trident. Now, this plot line could have easily merged with the initial one of stopping Orm: Arthur must recover the Trident to stop Orm's attack while Orm also must recover it to launch the attack. In this version, not only does Arthur's quest make sense, he is also in direct competition with the villain. Raiders of the Lost Ark works so well because Indy is in direct competition with the villains. Here, the villains don't even know Arthur is looking for the Trident.
The story results in a muddled Act Three where Arthur already has the Trident and Orm isn't even Ocean Master yet. Where's this dreaded attack on the surface? Shouldn't Orm be at full power here with the stakes high because that long hyped attack is in progress? Nope. Just a big ugly battle of cgi monsters that means nothing.
In the end this movie falls flat because it tries to pack a whole trilogy into one movie. They really should've saved the Arthur Becomes King story for the sequel.
Its still endlessly amazing to me that professional screenwriters, directors and studio execs can miss such glaring story issues in such major blockbuster movies.
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Post by _ on Dec 16, 2019 19:46:58 GMT
U IZ A HATER !!!!!!!!12
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Dec 16, 2019 20:13:20 GMT
THE ONLY FISH MAN I LIKES IZ ADMERIL AKBEER!!!!!!!34
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Post by _ on Dec 16, 2019 20:17:05 GMT
THE ONLY FISH MAN I LIKES IZ ADMERIL AKBEER!!!!!!!34
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Dec 16, 2019 20:26:41 GMT
Here's how it should have been written:
First Half: Everything basically stays the same as the story structure is still relatively solid. Only replace all of the "You must become King" talk with "You must find the TRIDENT™" talk. Orm, likewise, needs the TRIDENT™ to launch his big attack.
Midpoint: No longer a battle for the throne, but, rather, a public execution of Arthur by Orm. Ariel, or whatever that red haired girl is called, still saves him.
Now, Arthur is on a quest to find the TRIDENT™ with Ariel. Orm personally leaves Atlantis to find the TRIDENT™ as well. Black Mothra approaches him to help. The BLACK MANTA ARMOR™ is given to him by Orm. On the quest, Manta betrays Ormo. He wants the magically magic fish fork himself to kill Aquaboy. Now you have three characters competing for the same macguffin in an Indiana Jones style quest.
Aquadude and Ariel get to the super secret fork location, but Black Mantra is already waiting to ambush them. Manta stabs Aquaman in the butt and yells "KAPOW!"or something. A fight ensues. Arthur wins. But Ormo has already taken the TRIDENT™! End of Act Two.
Act Three is now all about Arthur stopping Orm's attack. He finds the classic GREEN AND ORANGE SUIT™ on the skeleton of King Atlan and puts it on. Orm's attack involves him using the TRIDENT to destroy the surface world. Arthur stops him using only his wits and courage. Day is saved. Arthur picks up the TRIDENT himself and screams "THATS THE ONE!!!!!!&!!"
Movie ends.
Better, no?
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Post by sostie on Dec 16, 2019 20:28:32 GMT
I thought you were going to bring up the idea that The Roman Empire (2000+ years ago) was around at the time the Sahara was an ocean (7 million years ago) according to the film
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Post by _ on Dec 16, 2019 20:30:45 GMT
Here's how it should have been written: Arthur picks up the TRIDENT himself and screams "THATS THE ONE!!!!!!&!!" Movie ends. Better, no? 
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Dec 16, 2019 20:32:18 GMT
I thought you were going to bring up the idea that The Roman Empire (2000+ years ago) was around at the time the Sahara was an ocean (7 million years ago) according to the film Don't EVEN get me started on that! |
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Post by _ on Dec 16, 2019 20:43:48 GMT
I thought you were going to bring up the idea that The Roman Empire (2000+ years ago) was around at the time the Sahara was an ocean (7 million years ago) according to the film Don't EVEN get me started on that! 
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 16, 2019 23:02:08 GMT
Aquaman rules!
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Dec 17, 2019 18:27:32 GMT
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Post by _ on Dec 17, 2019 18:33:37 GMT
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Dec 17, 2019 18:40:57 GMT
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Post by _ on Dec 17, 2019 18:55:31 GMT
Here's how it should have been written: "You must find the TRIDENT™"
Orm, likewise, needs the TRIDENT™Now, Arthur is on a quest to find the TRIDENT™Orm personally leaves Atlantis to find the TRIDENT™But Ormo has already taken the TRIDENT™Orm's attack involves him using the TRIDENT™Arthur picks up the TRIDENT™Movie ends. Better, no? 
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Post by dnno1 on Dec 17, 2019 22:54:10 GMT
This has probably all been said before, but I rewatched AQUAMAN last night and got to thinking about why it doesn't really work for me. The conclusion I came to is this... Aquaman wants to be about two things at once: Stopping Orm, King of Atlantis from attacking the surface. And Arthur becoming king himself. To do this, the stories merge, becoming Aquaman must stop Orm's attack by becoming king himself. This doesn't work. It would be like telling the story of an American becoming the leader of China to prevent China's current leader from attacking the US. He doesn't know the people, the culture or the society. And he only spends a day there in captivity. It makes no sense. But that's not all. It also wants to be about finding a mythical artifact in the Trident. Now, this plot line could have easily merged with the initial one of stopping Orm: Arthur must recover the Trident to stop Orm's attack while Orm also must recover it to launch the attack. In this version, not only does Arthur's quest make sense, he is also in direct competition with the villain. Raiders of the Lost Ark works so well because Indy is in direct competition with the villains. Here, the villains don't even know Arthur is looking for the Trident. The story results in a muddled Act Three where Arthur already has the Trident and Orm isn't even Ocean Master yet. Where's this dreaded attack on the surface? Shouldn't Orm be at full power here with the stakes high because that long hyped attack is in progress? Nope. Just a big ugly battle of cgi monsters that means nothing. In the end this movie falls flat because it tries to pack a whole trilogy into one movie. They really should've saved the Arthur Becomes King story for the sequel. Its still endlessly amazing to me that professional screenwriters, directors and studio execs can miss such glaring story issues in such major blockbuster movies. Yeah, it didn't work... to the tune of $1,148,161,807. 
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Dec 18, 2019 0:03:34 GMT
This has probably all been said before, but I rewatched AQUAMAN last night and got to thinking about why it doesn't really work for me. The conclusion I came to is this... Aquaman wants to be about two things at once: Stopping Orm, King of Atlantis from attacking the surface. And Arthur becoming king himself. To do this, the stories merge, becoming Aquaman must stop Orm's attack by becoming king himself. This doesn't work. It would be like telling the story of an American becoming the leader of China to prevent China's current leader from attacking the US. He doesn't know the people, the culture or the society. And he only spends a day there in captivity. It makes no sense. But that's not all. It also wants to be about finding a mythical artifact in the Trident. Now, this plot line could have easily merged with the initial one of stopping Orm: Arthur must recover the Trident to stop Orm's attack while Orm also must recover it to launch the attack. In this version, not only does Arthur's quest make sense, he is also in direct competition with the villain. Raiders of the Lost Ark works so well because Indy is in direct competition with the villains. Here, the villains don't even know Arthur is looking for the Trident. The story results in a muddled Act Three where Arthur already has the Trident and Orm isn't even Ocean Master yet. Where's this dreaded attack on the surface? Shouldn't Orm be at full power here with the stakes high because that long hyped attack is in progress? Nope. Just a big ugly battle of cgi monsters that means nothing. In the end this movie falls flat because it tries to pack a whole trilogy into one movie. They really should've saved the Arthur Becomes King story for the sequel. Its still endlessly amazing to me that professional screenwriters, directors and studio execs can miss such glaring story issues in such major blockbuster movies. Yeah, it didn't work... to the tune of $1,148,161,807. Did I just make taylorfirst1 like a post by DC Fan? What... Have... I ... done!
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Post by _ on Dec 18, 2019 0:08:21 GMT
Yeah, it didn't work... to the tune of $1,148,161,807. 
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