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Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 18, 2019 22:01:44 GMT
...gave them too much of what they wanted. (Many bad reviews I've seen seem to harp on "fan service" and JJ trying too hard to please people who didn't like TLJ.) Once again, film fandom today is trash, and unfortunately Star Wars fandom is the trashiest.
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Post by johnspartan on Dec 18, 2019 22:10:17 GMT
...gave them too much of what they wanted. (Many bad reviews I've seen seem to harp on "fan service" and JJ trying too hard to please people who didn't like TLJ.) Once again, film fandom today is trash, and unfortunately Star Wars fandom is the trashiest. Well, YOU'RE certainly the trashiest troll in SW fandom! 
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Post by Winter_King on Dec 18, 2019 22:33:37 GMT
I've just returned from the theaters and I think the movie is better than the Last Jedi but there was a lot of damage control from The Last Jedi, Force powers were all over the place and basically left the sequel trilogy an uneven mess. TFA is the best of the new films IMO.
The prequels told a more coherent story although with poor dialogue and some bad acting. Having seen the three trilogies of the Skywalker saga, I can now say that the sequel trilogy is my least favorite.
If Disney is to continue making new Star Wars trilogies they need to find someone that has least some idea where the story is going instead of letting directors doing what they want wiht the story.
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Post by dazz on Dec 18, 2019 23:53:28 GMT
...gave them too much of what they wanted. (Many bad reviews I've seen seem to harp on "fan service" and JJ trying too hard to please people who didn't like TLJ.) Once again, film fandom today is trash, and unfortunately Star Wars fandom is the trashiest. Funny how every moron who says this stuff doesn't seem to understand the key thing, balance, there needs to be a balance, a film that I personally dislike but was well received by most I think for finding such a balance atleast at the time was Rob Zombie's Halloween, it kept much of the classic mythology but Zombie infused it with his own style, of which I dislike hence my dislike of the movie, on the flipside when he did Halloween 2 and completely spit in the face of the franchise people hated it, because he lost that balance and just made another Rob Zombie movie, with an exception for the hospital dream scene which again was a balance between Zombie's own style and the original Halloween 2.
Fan service is jut an ingredient for franchise movies, a seasoning if you will and like any seasoning too much or too little can ruin a movie, you need to know how much to sprinkle in, just because I may like a little salt on my chips doesn't mean I want the entire shaker emptied out on to them.
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 19, 2019 0:43:52 GMT
...gave them too much of what they wanted. (Many bad reviews I've seen seem to harp on "fan service" and JJ trying too hard to please people who didn't like TLJ.) Once again, film fandom today is trash, and unfortunately Star Wars fandom is the trashiest. Well, you didn't provide any sources, so no one knows the circumstances of these complaints you claim to exist. Since we're playing hypotheticals though...I'm thinking these people are the ones who liked Episode 8 and are unhappy about early reports that Abrams "undid" what Johnson wrote in 8. The fandom didn't make these terrible movies. You have only yourself to blame for continuing to support them with your cash.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 21, 2019 1:05:49 GMT
...gave them too much of what they wanted. (Many bad reviews I've seen seem to harp on "fan service" and JJ trying too hard to please people who didn't like TLJ.) Once again, film fandom today is trash, and unfortunately Star Wars fandom is the trashiest. Its like I've always said, it doesn't matter, people will FIND something to complain about. That's where we're at nowadays.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Dec 21, 2019 9:26:57 GMT
...gave them too much of what they wanted. (Many bad reviews I've seen seem to harp on "fan service" and JJ trying too hard to please people who didn't like TLJ.) Once again, film fandom today is trash, and unfortunately Star Wars fandom is the trashiest.
It is just like that famous saying....."No One Hates Star Wars More Than Star Wars Fans" and it is 100 Percent True!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 13:51:32 GMT
...gave them too much of what they wanted. (Many bad reviews I've seen seem to harp on "fan service" and JJ trying too hard to please people who didn't like TLJ.) Once again, film fandom today is trash, and unfortunately Star Wars fandom is the trashiest. Its like I've always said, it doesn't matter, people will FIND something to complain about. That's where we're at nowadays. And I'm sick of you all complaining about people complaining! And furthermore, I'm taking it next level! I'm sick of me complaining about you all complaining about people complaining!!! Playing me some 4d chess!!!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 23, 2019 2:14:10 GMT
Its like I've always said, it doesn't matter, people will FIND something to complain about. That's where we're at nowadays. And I'm sick of you all complaining about people complaining! And furthermore, I'm taking it next level! I'm sick of me complaining about you all complaining about people complaining!!! Playing me some 4d chess!!! Aw, stop complaining!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 2:24:17 GMT
And I'm sick of you all complaining about people complaining! And furthermore, I'm taking it next level! I'm sick of me complaining about you all complaining about people complaining!!! Playing me some 4d chess!!! Aw, stop complaining! 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 2:46:25 GMT
Whenever somebody tells me that you can't please the fans, people will always complain no matter what, etc... I wonder why The Mandalorian is the most popular TV show in the world, and almost universally praised (94% and 93% ratings on RT, 9/10 on IMDB, etc).
Does nobody realise that when it comes to "subverting expectations" and "fanservice", both of those things can be done poorly or done well? If you "subvert expectations" in a bad way and then "service the fans" in a bad way, causing complaints both times, perhaps the message to be taken isn't so much that you can't please fans as it is that you should just stop making such bad movies.
Just a thought.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Dec 23, 2019 2:56:54 GMT
Which people? If anything I've only heard people say that it was an underwhelming experience with only a couple genuinely enjoyable moments. All in all though far and away from the movie that they wanted.
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Post by merh on Dec 23, 2019 3:55:40 GMT
Whenever somebody tells me that you can't please the fans, people will always complain no matter what, etc... I wonder why The Mandalorian is the most popular TV show in the world, and almost universally praised (94% and 93% ratings on RT, 9/10 on IMDB, etc). Does nobody realise that when it comes to "subverting expectations" and "fanservice", both of those things can be done poorly or done well? If you "subvert expectations" in a bad way and then "service the fans" in a bad way, causing complaints both times, perhaps the message to be taken isn't so much that you can't please fans as it is that you should just stop making such bad movies. Just a thought. Yet I've seen people on IMDB2 proclaim Mandalorian isn't all that. My kid was underwhelmed. The problem with the Star Wars fandom is it's very fractured. Marvel fans are more uniform in their love for the MCU than the average SW fan is about SW. The original trilogy was presented to my generation-the Boomers. There was a giant break before Lucas got around to the Prequels & he mucked with the original in the meantime, pissing a segment off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 13:44:36 GMT
Whenever somebody tells me that you can't please the fans, people will always complain no matter what, etc... I wonder why The Mandalorian is the most popular TV show in the world, and almost universally praised (94% and 93% ratings on RT, 9/10 on IMDB, etc). Does nobody realise that when it comes to "subverting expectations" and "fanservice", both of those things can be done poorly or done well? If you "subvert expectations" in a bad way and then "service the fans" in a bad way, causing complaints both times, perhaps the message to be taken isn't so much that you can't please fans as it is that you should just stop making such bad movies. Just a thought. Yet I've seen people on IMDB2 proclaim Mandalorian isn't all that. My kid was underwhelmed. The problem with the Star Wars fandom is it's very fractured. Marvel fans are more uniform in their love for the MCU than the average SW fan is about SW. The original trilogy was presented to my generation-the Boomers. There was a giant break before Lucas got around to the Prequels & he mucked with the original in the meantime, pissing a segment off. Of course you're never going to please absolutely everyone. Nevertheless, as I said, Mandalorian is getting 90%+ ratings and almost universal acclaim. Because, you know, it's good. Stop blaming the fans because they don't like your movies. The fans don't like your movies because you're making bad movies.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 23, 2019 14:01:47 GMT
There's a place between '100% canned fan service' and 'complete garbage plot twists that ruin beloved characters and make the plot incoherent.' That place is called competent writing, and it's a tragedy they couldn't find it with a Sith wayfinder in this trilogy.
The worst part about all this is that they not only allowed the original Star Wars saga to crash and burn, but separate from that, they somehow managed to make three shitty movies with a very good central cast. Driver, Ridley, Boyega, Isaac; and you still couldn't get me to care about the characters? You're doing something seriously wrong, Disney.
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Post by merh on Dec 23, 2019 14:43:05 GMT
Yet I've seen people on IMDB2 proclaim Mandalorian isn't all that. My kid was underwhelmed. The problem with the Star Wars fandom is it's very fractured. Marvel fans are more uniform in their love for the MCU than the average SW fan is about SW. The original trilogy was presented to my generation-the Boomers. There was a giant break before Lucas got around to the Prequels & he mucked with the original in the meantime, pissing a segment off. Of course you're never going to please absolutely everyone. Nevertheless, as I said, Mandalorian is getting 90%+ ratings and almost universal acclaim. Because, you know, it's good. Stop blaming the fans because they don't like your movies. The fans don't like your movies because you're making bad movies. THE AUDIENCE IS LIKING TROS. Its the critics who panned it. Critics IMDb 10-16.0%-17,305 9-13.0%-13,978 8-19.9%-21,484 7-17.7%-19,140 6-11.0%-11,884 5-6.6%-7,168 4-4.0%-4,284 3-2.9%-3,101 2-2.1%-2,248 1-6.8%-7,284 Rogue One 10-14.8%-74,269 9-20.5%-103,253 8-29.6%-148,870 7-19.8%-99,385 6-8.3%-41,593 5-3.3%-16,363 4-1.4%-6,859 3-0.7%-3,725 2-0.5%-2,451 1-1.1%-5,771 Phantom Menace 10-8.6%-58,410 9-6.1%-41,350 8-14.7%-99,297 7-25.4%-171,979 6-20.3%-137,448 5-10.7%-72,476 4-5.6%-37,966 3-3.4%-23,173 2-2.2%-14,644 1-3.0%-20,416
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Post by onethreetwo on Dec 23, 2019 14:48:36 GMT
Yet I've seen people on IMDB2 proclaim Mandalorian isn't all that. My kid was underwhelmed. The problem with the Star Wars fandom is it's very fractured. Marvel fans are more uniform in their love for the MCU than the average SW fan is about SW. The original trilogy was presented to my generation-the Boomers. There was a giant break before Lucas got around to the Prequels & he mucked with the original in the meantime, pissing a segment off. Of course you're never going to please absolutely everyone. Nevertheless, as I said, Mandalorian is getting 90%+ ratings and almost universal acclaim. Because, you know, it's good. Stop blaming the fans because they don't like your movies. The fans don't like your movies because you're making bad movies. You make a great point. Everyone I know loves The Mandalorian, myself included. Clearly Star Wars can be done right. |
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Post by dazz on Dec 23, 2019 14:56:55 GMT
Of course you're never going to please absolutely everyone. Nevertheless, as I said, Mandalorian is getting 90%+ ratings and almost universal acclaim. Because, you know, it's good. Stop blaming the fans because they don't like your movies. The fans don't like your movies because you're making bad movies. THE AUDIENCE IS LIKING TROS. Its the critics who panned it. Critics IMDb 10-16.0%-17,305 9-13.0%-13,978 8-19.9%-21,484 7-17.7%-19,140 6-11.0%-11,884 5-6.6%-7,168 4-4.0%-4,284 3-2.9%-3,101 2-2.1%-2,248 1-6.8%-7,284 Rogue One 10-14.8%-74,269 9-20.5%-103,253 8-29.6%-148,870 7-19.8%-99,385 6-8.3%-41,593 5-3.3%-16,363 4-1.4%-6,859 3-0.7%-3,725 2-0.5%-2,451 1-1.1%-5,771 Phantom Menace 10-8.6%-58,410 9-6.1%-41,350 8-14.7%-99,297 7-25.4%-171,979 6-20.3%-137,448 5-10.7%-72,476 4-5.6%-37,966 3-3.4%-23,173 2-2.2%-14,644 1-3.0%-20,416 Are you just looking to argue with someone? YOU are the one who moaned that you have seen some people on here not praise The Mandalorian, it has a 93% on RT by fans and a 94% from critics, yet you still felt the need to mention some people don't like the show...also you were whining about how people are complaining that they cannot follow the story of TROS despite most fans praising the movie and voting positively on it, btw that's just the verified number, the entire number last I checked was 77% from fans, still point stands people like TROS, not as much as The Mandalorian yet you felt the need to gripe that some fans don't love that, as @graham you are never going to get EVERYONE in the world to like something, interesting that the IMDB scores if you convert into Fresh or Rotten scores match up almost perfect with the RT fan score.
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Post by merh on Dec 24, 2019 3:12:06 GMT
THE AUDIENCE IS LIKING TROS. Its the critics who panned it. Critics IMDb 10-16.0%-17,305 9-13.0%-13,978 8-19.9%-21,484 7-17.7%-19,140 6-11.0%-11,884 5-6.6%-7,168 4-4.0%-4,284 3-2.9%-3,101 2-2.1%-2,248 1-6.8%-7,284 Rogue One 10-14.8%-74,269 9-20.5%-103,253 8-29.6%-148,870 7-19.8%-99,385 6-8.3%-41,593 5-3.3%-16,363 4-1.4%-6,859 3-0.7%-3,725 2-0.5%-2,451 1-1.1%-5,771 Phantom Menace 10-8.6%-58,410 9-6.1%-41,350 8-14.7%-99,297 7-25.4%-171,979 6-20.3%-137,448 5-10.7%-72,476 4-5.6%-37,966 3-3.4%-23,173 2-2.2%-14,644 1-3.0%-20,416 Are you just looking to argue with someone? YOU are the one who moaned that you have seen some people on here not praise The Mandalorian, it has a 93% on RT by fans and a 94% from critics, yet you still felt the need to mention some people don't like the show...also you were whining about how people are complaining that they cannot follow the story of TROS despite most fans praising the movie and voting positively on it, btw that's just the verified number, the entire number last I checked was 77% from fans, still point stands people like TROS, not as much as The Mandalorian yet you felt the need to gripe that some fans don't love that, as @graham you are never going to get EVERYONE in the world to like something, interesting that the IMDB scores if you convert into Fresh or Rotten scores match up almost perfect with the RT fan score.
Do you know how many minutes of The Mandalorian I've seen? 0. I have paid for Disney+, but I haven't ever logged in. My kid has. My point is back in the day we were happy with what we got. We loved or hated it. Star Trek fans felt superior to us because it was like real science fiction while Star Wars was just a space opera. So we had differences, but we recognized that. You all seem to be suggesting the SW fandom isn't splintered. It is. It has. All I ask id people see the thing before they praise or damn it. So Graham is saying the fans are panning TROS because it's crap while Mandalorian is praised because it's the best thing since toast. I'm saying TROS is never going to reach 90% because the fans have fragmented. Star Wars has gone in so many directions like comic books that one can be a fan of Clone Wars (never watched) but hate the final trilogy. It's not like the old fandom where we were grateful for every crumb we were tossed, even the crappy tv specials. I remember people bitching their asses off about Rogue One. Tarkin was horrible! Leia was horrible! That Vader scene was so fake! Solo sucked!!!(I loved it) I'm seeing people come around to it, but it still gets a lot of hate. So don't get all excited about stuff this first weekend. Give it a year. I feel they did a good job wrapping it up. Not perfect, but decent. Something I think most of us can live with. But then I never got the hate for Jar Jar. My kid was 9 when that movie came out & loved him. It does sort of show Lucas's evolution where the original trilogy was a fun summer popcorn thing, but by the time he made the prequels he seemed to feel the franchise was for kids. I loved that Han shot first. It was cool. He knew Greedo would do it to him in a second. Noooo. Lucas had to "fix" it. I still love the franchise. It's not exactly the same thing as I fell in love with in 1977, but I'll take it anyway. Warts & all.
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