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Post by gadreel on Dec 22, 2019 19:18:07 GMT
That tells me nothing about what possible ways you think space is different from how it is commonly perceived or portrayed. In what ways could space differ to how it is portrayed. I don't know. It's not my job to answer your questions. I'm calling fake on a fake space program. As to what the fake is standing in for, I don't know. I do love the way that when you paint yourself into a corner, suddenly it's not your job to answer my questions and you dont have to for a minute make any sort of sense what so ever. Heres a fun fact the university I went to had a man who was part of the Russian space program in the 60's and 70's, you know why I know for a fact that the Americans landed on the moon? Because the Russians believe it, if there was even the tinniest doubt, given the ideological nature of the space race, the Russians would have called out the americans instantly. Once again you have proven you will blindly accept anything that fits your worldview, and logic, common sense and facts are of as much importance to you as the pork stall at a Bar Mitzvah.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 22, 2019 19:25:52 GMT
I don't know. It's not my job to answer your questions. I'm calling fake on a fake space program. As to what the fake is standing in for, I don't know. I do love the way that when you paint yourself into a corner, suddenly it's not your job to answer my questions and you dont have to for a minute make any sort of sense what so ever. Heres a fun fact the university I went to had a man who was part of the Russian space program in the 60's and 70's, you know why I know for a fact that the Americans landed on the moon? Because the Russians believe it, if there was even the tinniest doubt, given the ideological nature of the space race, the Russians would have called out the americans instantly. Once again you have proven you will blindly accept anything that fits your worldview, and logic, common sense and facts are of as much importance to you as the pork stall at a Bar Mitzvah.
You deliberately neglect something. If the Russians faked their space program, they were hardly in a position to call out the Americans for doing what they had already done.
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Post by goz on Dec 22, 2019 21:23:49 GMT
I do love the way that when you paint yourself into a corner, suddenly it's not your job to answer my questions and you dont have to for a minute make any sort of sense what so ever. Heres a fun fact the university I went to had a man who was part of the Russian space program in the 60's and 70's, you know why I know for a fact that the Americans landed on the moon? Because the Russians believe it, if there was even the tinniest doubt, given the ideological nature of the space race, the Russians would have called out the americans instantly. Once again you have proven you will blindly accept anything that fits your worldview, and logic, common sense and facts are of as much importance to you as the pork stall at a Bar Mitzvah.
You deliberately neglect something. If the Russians faked their space program, they were hardly in a position to call out the Americans for doing what they had already done. So, according to your brilliant computing, collating and understanding of the facts of the matter, you have concluded that there is no such thing as 'space', the Americans AND the Russians faked their space programmes, no one actually went into space and certainly NOT walked on the moon. (satellites must be drones etc) Gotcha. I have one comment about this Dunning Krugeresque scenario to make to you. In your pathetic little small man meagre pathetic ill educated existence, you get your jollies from thinking even for a nano-second that you, Erjenious, are smarter than the entire combined international space science community and that they can't put ANYTHING over you and your bunch of protractor led YouTube video conspiracy theorist aficionados, coz you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too smart. I find you pathetic pitiful and possibly insane.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 22, 2019 21:32:12 GMT
You deliberately neglect something. If the Russians faked their space program, they were hardly in a position to call out the Americans for doing what they had already done. So, according to your brilliant computing, collating and understanding of the facts of the matter, you have concluded that there is no such thing as 'space', the Americans AND the Russians faked their space programmes, no one actually went into space and certainly NOT walked on the moon. (satellites must be drones etc) Gotcha. I have one comment about this Dunning Krugeresque scenario to make to you. In your pathetic little small man meagre pathetic ill educated existence, you get your jollies from thinking even for a nano-second that you, Erjenious, are smarter than the entire combined international space science community and that they can't put ANYTHING over you and your bunch of protractor led YouTube video conspiracy theorist aficionados, coz you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too smart. I find you pathetic pitiful and possibly insane. Still you must admit, it's an awful lot of money to develop an instant orange flavored breakfast drink.
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Post by goz on Dec 22, 2019 21:33:49 GMT
So, according to your brilliant computing, collating and understanding of the facts of the matter, you have concluded that there is no such thing as 'space', the Americans AND the Russians faked their space programmes, no one actually went into space and certainly NOT walked on the moon. (satellites must be drones etc) Gotcha. I have one comment about this Dunning Krugeresque scenario to make to you. In your pathetic little small man meagre pathetic ill educated existence, you get your jollies from thinking even for a nano-second that you, Erjenious, are smarter than the entire combined international space science community and that they can't put ANYTHING over you and your bunch of protractor led YouTube video conspiracy theorist aficionados, coz you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too smart. I find you pathetic pitiful and possibly insane. Still you must admit, it's an awful lot of money to develop an instant orange flavored breakfast drink. I 'admit' no such stupid irrelevance.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 22, 2019 21:38:21 GMT
Still you must admit, it's an awful lot of money to develop an instant orange flavored breakfast drink. I 'admit' no such stupid irrelevance. That's fine. No one is waiting for you to understand it. I was mentioning the practical uses of the space program, which is credited with the development of Tang breakfast drink. Did you know? Did you also know corn flakes were developed entirely without the space program? How amazing is that?
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Post by goz on Dec 22, 2019 21:48:24 GMT
I 'admit' no such stupid irrelevance. That's fine. No one is waiting for you to understand it. I was mentioning the practical uses of the space program, which is credited with the development of Tang breakfast drink. Did you know? Did you also know corn flakes were developed entirely without the space program? How amazing is that? I will leave you to muse on the breakfast scenario that amuses you and will personally stick to relevant things like the development of satellite technology that facilitates our communications systems on earth and beyond.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 22, 2019 21:55:41 GMT
I 'admit' no such stupid irrelevance. That's fine. No one is waiting for you to understand it. I was mentioning the practical uses of the space program, which is credited with the development of Tang breakfast drink. Did you know? Did you also know corn flakes were developed entirely without the space program? How amazing is that? It's more than just orange juice: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefits_of_space_explorationen.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologiesYou know unless you are a whacked out conspiracy nut who does not believe in something he can see with his very own eyes.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 22, 2019 22:02:27 GMT
That's fine. No one is waiting for you to understand it. I was mentioning the practical uses of the space program, which is credited with the development of Tang breakfast drink. Did you know? Did you also know corn flakes were developed entirely without the space program? How amazing is that? I will leave you to muse on the breakfast scenario that amuses you and will personally stick to relevant things like the development of satellite technology that facilitates our communications systems on earth and beyond. Oh look who went to debate class after all! If you would like to believe human curiosity about the infinite beyond contributed to communication technology, that's fine. I'm sure it did at least a bit. But then what is your gripe with religion? Satellites owe their development mostly to ham radio operators who were inconvenienced by the fluctuations in the skip distance used for transoceanic communications before satellites. Communications with the lunar missions were especially facilitated by radiotelescopes, which by the way have not received so much as a recipe for hashed browns otherwise.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 22, 2019 22:10:44 GMT
That's fine. No one is waiting for you to understand it. I was mentioning the practical uses of the space program, which is credited with the development of Tang breakfast drink. Did you know? Did you also know corn flakes were developed entirely without the space program? How amazing is that? It's more than just orange juice: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefits_of_space_explorationen.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologiesYou know unless you are a whacked out conspiracy nut who does not believe in something he can see with his very own eyes. I'm ranking you more intelligent now, but that means I am going to have to ask you to please if you will since you probably can put things in your own words, make your own arguments. Otherwise what is the point of your presence here? I have Wikipedia already. What exactly makes you believe "satellites" had anything to do with any lunar missions?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 22, 2019 22:27:08 GMT
You deliberately neglect something. If the Russians faked their space program, they were hardly in a position to call out the Americans for doing what they had already done. So, according to your brilliant computing, collating and understanding of the facts of the matter, you have concluded that there is no such thing as 'space', the Americans AND the Russians faked their space programmes, no one actually went into space and certainly NOT walked on the moon. (satellites must be drones etc) Gotcha. I have one comment about this Dunning Krugeresque scenario to make to you. In your pathetic little small man meagre pathetic ill educated existence, you get your jollies from thinking even for a nano-second that you, Erjenious, are smarter than the entire combined international space science community and that they can't put ANYTHING over you and your bunch of protractor led YouTube video conspiracy theorist aficionados, coz you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too smart. I find you pathetic pitiful and possibly insane. Space = length x width x height. I know they have schools Down Under. Didn't you ever attend one of them?
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Post by gadreel on Dec 22, 2019 22:47:17 GMT
I'm ranking you more intelligent now, but that means I am going to have to ask you to please if you will since you probably can put things in your own words, make your own arguments. Otherwise what is the point of your presence here? I have Wikipedia already. What exactly makes you believe "satellites" had anything to do with any lunar missions? These are literally lists of the things that the space program has produced, I could put it in my own words but it would jut be re-ordering the lists. As to your non-sequitur ALL rockets capable of leaving the atmosphere are a result of the space program. I have no idea why you would put satellites in inverted comma. Also just to be clear I don't need to be ranked in intelligence by you, your opinion of me means less than the opinion of my ex wife (at that is a very low bar)
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 22, 2019 23:12:20 GMT
I'm ranking you more intelligent now, but that means I am going to have to ask you to please if you will since you probably can put things in your own words, make your own arguments. Otherwise what is the point of your presence here? I have Wikipedia already. What exactly makes you believe "satellites" had anything to do with any lunar missions? These are literally lists of the things that the space program has produced, I could put it in my own words but it would jut be re-ordering the lists. As to your non-sequitur ALL rockets capable of leaving the atmosphere are a result of the space program. I have no idea why you would put satellites in inverted comma. Also just to be clear I don't need to be ranked in intelligence by you, your opinion of me means less than the opinion of my ex wife (at that is a very low bar) Tang is a fact. Anyone can see it. I can go to Walmart and buy some now if I want. Corn flakes are a fact, hashed browns are a fact, satellites are indeed a fact, especially if you have Stellarium. How much any of those depended on the other is not a fact, and something which Wikiperdia typically gets wrong. Communications satellites preceded any and all manned missions to anywhere in outer space. That is. communications with the farther parts of Earth. Corn flakes also preceded the space program. You are welcome to your own opinion of my opinions. Feel free to mention it.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 22, 2019 23:46:28 GMT
These are literally lists of the things that the space program has produced, I could put it in my own words but it would jut be re-ordering the lists. As to your non-sequitur ALL rockets capable of leaving the atmosphere are a result of the space program. I have no idea why you would put satellites in inverted comma. Also just to be clear I don't need to be ranked in intelligence by you, your opinion of me means less than the opinion of my ex wife (at that is a very low bar) Tang is a fact. Anyone can see it. I can go to Walmart and buy some now if I want. Corn flakes are a fact, hashed browns are a fact, satellites are indeed a fact, especially if you have Stellarium. How much any of those depended on the other is not a fact, and something which Wikiperdia typically gets wrong. Communications satellites preceded any and all manned missions to anywhere in outer space. That is. communications with the farther parts of Earth. Corn flakes also preceded the space program. You are welcome to your own opinion of my opinions. Feel free to mention it. You know the space program did not start with manned rockets right? In fact the placing of sattelites in orbit was the earlies part or the space program. I guess I am not understanding your point regarding satellites, maybe if you tried the for of a direct pertinent question?
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 23, 2019 0:05:09 GMT
Tang is a fact. Anyone can see it. I can go to Walmart and buy some now if I want. Corn flakes are a fact, hashed browns are a fact, satellites are indeed a fact, especially if you have Stellarium. How much any of those depended on the other is not a fact, and something which Wikiperdia typically gets wrong. Communications satellites preceded any and all manned missions to anywhere in outer space. That is. communications with the farther parts of Earth. Corn flakes also preceded the space program. You are welcome to your own opinion of my opinions. Feel free to mention it. You know the space program did not start with manned rockets right? In fact the placing of sattelites in orbit was the earlies part or the space program. I guess I am not understanding your point regarding satellites, maybe if you tried the for of a direct pertinent question? As I said, we are dealing in opinions here. My opinion is the ability of the United States to communicate readily and instantaneously with Europe is a more significant historical development than two men going to the moon to play with rocks. You are still welcome to your own opinions, however different.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 23, 2019 0:26:53 GMT
You know the space program did not start with manned rockets right? In fact the placing of sattelites in orbit was the earliest part or the space program. I guess I am not understanding your point regarding satellites, maybe if you tried the for of a direct pertinent question? As I said, we are dealing in opinions here. My opinion is the ability of the United States to communicate readily and instantaneously with Europe is a more significant historical development than two men going to the moon to play with rocks. You are still welcome to your own opinions, however different. No we were dealing with the factual contributions that the space program has made to society other than getting people to the moon, satellites are one facet of those contributions. Im still not really sure what you are driving at, are you asking me what my favourite contribution is.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 23, 2019 0:36:52 GMT
As I said, we are dealing in opinions here. My opinion is the ability of the United States to communicate readily and instantaneously with Europe is a more significant historical development than two men going to the moon to play with rocks. You are still welcome to your own opinions, however different. No we were dealing with the factual contributions that the space program has made to society other than getting people to the moon, satellites are one facet of those contributions. Im still not really sure what you are driving at, are you asking me what my favourite contribution is. To be as clear as possible "satellites" are used for communications on Earth. "Radiotelescopes" are used for communications with outer space such as topical here. They are very different things. I suppose an argument could be made that the ISS is itself a "communications" satellite, but that is far after the fact of communications. No, I am not asking for your favorite contribution, I am asking you to support your opinion about any contribution with some sort of explanation. How does it make sense to you that the spirit behind the ISS has made communication satellites possible?
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Post by gadreel on Dec 23, 2019 1:00:02 GMT
No we were dealing with the factual contributions that the space program has made to society other than getting people to the moon, satellites are one facet of those contributions. Im still not really sure what you are driving at, are you asking me what my favourite contribution is. To be as clear as possible "satellites" are used for communications on Earth. "Radiotelescopes" are used for communications with outer space such as topical here. They are very different things. I suppose an argument could be made that the ISS is itself a "communications" satellite, but that is far after the fact of communications. No, I am not asking for your favorite contribution, I am asking you to support your opinion about any contribution with some sort of explanation. How does it make sense to you that the spirit behind the ISS has made communication satellites possible? My opinion? I never gave any opinion, you spoke about the practical use of the space program and heavily implied that the only contribution was orange juice, I responded with a huge list of the contributions that the space program has made. I have not made any statements of opinion, I have provided facts. Is there an opinion of mine you would like to ask about?
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 23, 2019 1:11:19 GMT
To be as clear as possible "satellites" are used for communications on Earth. "Radiotelescopes" are used for communications with outer space such as topical here. They are very different things. I suppose an argument could be made that the ISS is itself a "communications" satellite, but that is far after the fact of communications. No, I am not asking for your favorite contribution, I am asking you to support your opinion about any contribution with some sort of explanation. How does it make sense to you that the spirit behind the ISS has made communication satellites possible? My opinion? I never gave any opinion, you spoke about the practical use of the space program and heavily implied that the only contribution was orange juice, I responded with a huge list of the contributions that the space program has made. I have not made any statements of opinion, I have provided facts. Is there an opinion of mine you would like to ask about? Indeed you only linked the opinions of Wikipedia, which I explained is typically wrong in the realm of opinions. It is no surprise you cannot defend any opinions whatsoever. Hint: Things are not "facts" simply because you believe they are, or anyone else believes they are. I actually recently contributed financially to Wikipedia because I often depend on them for the raw facts. I have utterly no use for their analysis of anything.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 23, 2019 2:45:25 GMT
Reason vociferously objects. Not with three measly words it doesn't. I take exception to the notion that "vociferously" is a "measly word!"
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