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Post by dazz on Jan 6, 2020 17:18:07 GMT
No that's a lie the point you wanted to try and make is look how TROS is overachieving, which you used bullshit "evidence" to prove, TROS is doing great in terms of it's legs, but it is no overachieving, it got the holiday bump that graph doesn't factor in, otherwise it is doing high level expectations, but not peak expectations mind you otherwise the gap between it's projected and actual BO performance would not be shrinking.
And yes you did the "maths", badly mind you, given if the film makes $540m and keeps it's same domestic to international split it would only just cross $1.1b, Rogue 1 did over $1.05b, don't know if you know this or not but the difference between 50 and 100 is 50 not 100, but anyway back to the point you cited no source for where you got your figures from in terms of revenue split or even budget, you estimate 60% domestic take, where as Deadline which most sources taken their final tallies from cite it s 55% domestic take, same goes for the budgets, you just say widely reported this and that, which likely means you are citing different sources that support whatever narrative you are trying to create, all of mine is coming from the same source which is as I have said is the one most insiders seem to use at the end of the day also, as most sources cite the $200m budget for Rogue One not the $265m, and when reporting on films success they usually use Deadlines most profitable tournament breakdown numbers though usually not in full context.
You can talk out of both sides of your mouth all you want anyone can see the obvious bias and propaganda bullshit you try and pull you boot licking lapdog.
*If I'm not it mistaken, I added source links in the other thread I referenced. Among those sources were reports that Disney took 60% of TFA's domestic box office, and 65% of TLJ's. So, the 60% number was actually me trying to be conservative. *I said "about $100m more than Rogue One" because my calculations came to a figure of $1.1b plus change, which I rounded down to $1.1 for simplicity's sake. I also couldn't recall the exact B.O. of Rogue One, and didn't feel like looking it up again, but I remembered it was ~$1b. *On the budget of RO, my bad. I just checked the franchise page on the-numbers.net (a great Box Office Mojo alternative, by the way), and RO was indeed $200m. I must have gotten it mixed up with Solo's budget, which is $275m. At the end of the day, TROS will be a billion dollar plus movie, four of the five DSW movies will be in the billion dollar club, and one will be in the two billion club. Not bad for a franchise that has been "run into the ground", as haters are find of saying. The sources you cited you don't even cite correctly, for TFA they are saying Disney secured up 60% of the box office whilst also saying that theatres keep more of the box office the longer a film runs, Disney simply secured a higher opening position, which the Deadline estimates factor in, the TLJ stuff isn't even saying that, they are saying Disney supposedly have secured higher splits for TLJ, but this is a report in Nov before TLJ came out, and again may simply be factoring in the opening weekend split.
Now both those and Deadline are all estimates on the split mind you, but Deadlines is one with information they gleamed after the fact, when certain info is easier to access, and is taking the entire run of a film into account, where as the two you cited after the fact which I had not noticed btw, they are commenting on supposed splits without any context of if that's for first weekend, first week, first 2 weeks or opening month and so on.
The thing is with SW you can say oh 4 out of 5 films grossed $1b+ all you want but the fact is the series has been seriously diminished, it's like saying Transformers wasn't run into the ground because it still made hundreds of millions of dollars a movie, but look at the drop off, it went from billion dollar films to barely $600m to not even $500m, and SW has gone the same way, but is anyone saying Transformers is in a healthy position right now?
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jan 6, 2020 17:22:57 GMT
The thing is with SW you can say oh 4 out of 5 films grossed $1b+ all you want but the fact is the series has been seriously diminished, it's like saying Transformers wasn't run into the ground because it still made hundreds of millions of dollars a movie, but look at the drop off, it went from billion dollar films to barely $600m to not even $500m, and SW has gone the same way, but is anyone saying Transformers is in a healthy position right now? I'd say Star Wars is in a better position. The fact that TROS is still going to break a billion after the Solo fiasco shows there's still potential there if they actually took the time to make a quality movie. Transformers, on the other hand, probably wouldn't fare very well despite the quality of another entry....
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Post by scabab on Jan 9, 2020 20:06:52 GMT
It's at $946 million now. Might pass $1 billion by Sunday.
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Post by johnspartan on Jan 10, 2020 23:09:15 GMT
Forbes "Rise of Skywalker Box Office Won't Top Rogue One" www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2020/01/09/star-wars-box-office-rise-of-skywalker-wont-top-rogue-one/#1a140f6a7355Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker earned another $2.4 million on Wednesday, dropping 40% from yesterday and a whopping 86% from last Wednesday. That gives Walt Disney and Lucasfilm’s Star Wars sequel a $460.9 million domestic cume. The film is officially over the unadjusted $460 million (counting reissues) domestic gross of the first Star Wars beginning back in 1977 ($1.495 billion adjusted), and it’ll likely end the weekend above the unadjusted-for-inflation $474 million gross (counting the 2012 3-D reissue) of Star Wars Episode One: The Phantom Menace ($882 million adjusted). Alas, at its rate of descent, it not only won’t get anywhere near The Last Jedi, it won’t end up matching the $532 million domestic finish of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.
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Post by scabab on Jan 13, 2020 1:47:45 GMT
Now at $989 million so should hit $1 billion sometime next week.
Also after 24 days, this movie and Rogue One had made the same amount domestically. Considering that this did open to $22 million more then it's obviously going to fall behind starting from about now.
It should be passing $500 million though.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jan 13, 2020 13:38:17 GMT
So close, come on billion dollar mark!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 13, 2020 15:16:48 GMT
Still not crossed the $ 1 Billion mark...!?! Would it help if I got out and pushed???
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Post by dazz on Jan 13, 2020 15:23:35 GMT
So close, come on billion dollar mark! Why do you care if it hits $1b? at this point the movies likely in the black, though barely, when it crosses $1b however that triggers the actors bonuses and stuff, which could be as little as $70m or higher than $100m, which would put them back into the red...you are strange.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 5:42:33 GMT
So close, come on billion dollar mark! Why do you care if it hits $1b? at this point the movies likely in the black, though barely, when it crosses $1b however that triggers the actors bonuses and stuff, which could be as little as $70m or higher than $100m, which would put them back into the red...you are strange. It still wont beat the last jedi BO lol
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jan 14, 2020 23:20:31 GMT
Why do you care if it hits $1b? at this point the movies likely in the black, though barely, when it crosses $1b however that triggers the actors bonuses and stuff, which could be as little as $70m or higher than $100m, which would put them back into the red...you are strange. It still wont beat the last jedi BO lol It'll still be a billion dollar movie despite haters insisting that it was a flop.
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Post by dazz on Jan 14, 2020 23:44:52 GMT
It still wont beat the last jedi BO lol It'll still be a billion dollar movie despite haters insisting that it was a flop. Which unless it can cross $1.1b and substantially do so will actually be a detriment to the film, despite the sycophants insisting it will be a mark of victory, remember that $1b mark brings with it 10's of millions if not $100m+ in bonus payouts, which will eat up all that barely acquired profit in an instant.
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Post by wolf359 on Jan 15, 2020 0:40:50 GMT
It's definitely gonna cross the 1 BILLION Dollar Mark!
The Fandom Menace has LOST this Fight and deservedly so after all of the insults and disrespect that they have been throwing at Episode 9 for the past 2 years.
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Post by dazz on Jan 15, 2020 1:19:10 GMT
It's definitely gonna cross the 1 BILLION Dollar Mark!
The Fandom Menace has LOST this Fight and deservedly so after all of the insults and disrespect that they have been throwing at Episode 9 for the past 2 years.
How exactly?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 2:21:01 GMT
It's definitely gonna cross the 1 BILLION Dollar Mark!
The Fandom Menace has LOST this Fight and deservedly so after all of the insults and disrespect that they have been throwing at Episode 9 for the past 2 years.
Ep 9 blows
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Post by wolf359 on Jan 15, 2020 2:36:59 GMT
It's definitely gonna cross the 1 BILLION Dollar Mark!
The Fandom Menace has LOST this Fight and deservedly so after all of the insults and disrespect that they have been throwing at Episode 9 for the past 2 years.
How exactly?
They wanted Episode 9 to not make a BILLION Dollars otherwise it would be a Financial Success.....well, It is about to cross the BILLION Dollar Mark and any person with a working brain, common sense, and completely in touch with reality knows darn well that Any Movie (not just "STAR WARS") that crosses the BILLION Dollar Mark (especially a Movie that has only been out for a month) is a Success.
That being said.......CALLING IT!
The Fandom Menace lovers will throw right back at me that BOGUS Excuse about how Episode 9 should have made more than that by now.
BULL!
It's about to make a BILLION Dollars and when it does, it will have done it the Slow Way, A Billion Dollars is still a Billion Dollars!
The Fandom Menace LOST this fight and DISNEY is about to have over a BILLION Reasons why.
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Post by wolf359 on Jan 15, 2020 2:40:19 GMT
It's definitely gonna cross the 1 BILLION Dollar Mark!
The Fandom Menace has LOST this Fight and deservedly so after all of the insults and disrespect that they have been throwing at Episode 9 for the past 2 years.
Ep 9 blows
Well we are all most certainly entitled to our own feelings, thoughts, views, and opinions when it comes to what we think of the Movie itself.
If some people hated it then they hated it and if some people liked it then they liked it.
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Post by dazz on Jan 15, 2020 2:57:07 GMT
They wanted Episode 9 to not make a BILLION Dollars otherwise it would be a Financial Success.....well, It is about to cross the BILLION Dollar Mark and any person with a working brain, common sense, and completely in touch with reality knows darn well that Any Movie (not just "STAR WARS") that crosses the BILLION Dollar Mark (especially a Movie that has only been out for a month) is a Success.
That being said.......CALLING IT!
The Fandom Menace lovers will throw right back at me that BOGUS Excuse about how Episode 9 should have made more than that by now.
BULL!
It's about to make a BILLION Dollars and when it does, it will have done it the Slow Way, A Billion Dollars is still a Billion Dollars!
The Fandom Menace LOST this fight and DISNEY is about to have over a BILLION Reasons why. Actually people with working brains can do maths, at a $460m low ball estimated combined production and marketing cost, factoring in the overall industry estimated revenue split from the previous SW Saga films as a basis that puts TROS's lowball break even point at $975m by my estimates and that is with a 50/50 domestic/international box office and ignoring China's significantly lower revenue split, all of which though only minorly still stack the numbers more in favour of SW.
So yeah $1b should be a success but something I have pointed out which neither you or Creped seem to get is that crossing $1b brings added cost, this is through participation bonuses which were $100m or so for TFA and $70m for TLJ, mostly due to Fords incluscion in one but not the other, and what with TROS bringing back Ford, as well as the incluscion of Billy Dee and Palps that $100m could easily be instore for this movie also, which even at $70m would need an additional $149m or so to cover the cost, making the actual BEP for TROS at about $1.124m.
See a movie being $1b grosser does not ensure it is a success, only ignorant or idiotic people would think that, financial success is based on BO Vs Budget, and again at a lowball outright expenditure $460m that $1b doesn't really ensure success, given as I said bonus pay outs, not to mention taxes, interest rates and stuff, and that's not even considering the movie could have spent more on marketing than the other saga movies.
It is funny though the movie will be in better shape if it made no more money than if it made just another $100m before it ends its run, but oh well.
Edit: Just to be clear there is still a chance TROS could exceed the $1.124m mark that a $70m or so in bonuses would hike the BEP up to, depends on what legs it has left, but domestically TFA did another 25% or so on top of what it had earned by this point in it's run, so even domestically a possible additional $120m isn't too far of a possibility, add in international markets, who knows, all depends on the legs it has left, but then again depends on how big those bonuses are, could be $100m or higher which would put that BEP in the $1.2b range minimum, still too early to celebrate either way.
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Post by poelzig on Jan 15, 2020 3:15:33 GMT
It still wont beat the last jedi BO lol It'll still be a billion dollar movie despite haters insisting that it was a flop. Who exactly are all these "haters" you prattle non stop about? Considering your entire life consists of you spewing hate at anyone who has even a slightly different opinion than you I'm guessing you are a perfect example of a hater. That makes you a self loathing hater, huh? Damn that's sad bro. Even for a white kid.
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Post by scabab on Jan 15, 2020 21:31:52 GMT
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jan 15, 2020 22:20:15 GMT
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