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Post by anthonyrocks on Dec 22, 2019 17:22:12 GMT
LOL!
175 Million Dollar Opening Weekend overall.
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Post by scabab on Dec 22, 2019 17:25:20 GMT
You mean $175 million.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Dec 22, 2019 17:43:08 GMT
I Edited my OP, Thank You for correcting me on that. I appreciate it. 
That being said....
Heck, That is still over the Goal that DISNEY wanted for the Opening Weekend which I think was 160 Million.
Also, I will concede that I am no expert when it comes to the Box Office however I am pretty sure that any movie that makes 175 Million Dollars overall in it's Opening Weekend does qualify as a Successful Opening Weekend.
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Post by dazz on Dec 22, 2019 21:07:44 GMT
I Edited my OP, Thank You for correcting me on that. I appreciate it. 
That being said....
Heck, That is still over the Goal that DISNEY wanted for the Opening Weekend which I think was 160 Million.
Also, I will concede that I am no expert when it comes to the Box Office however I am pretty sure that any movie that makes 175 Million Dollars overall in it's Opening Weekend does qualify as a Successful Opening Weekend.
As with most things BO related it all comes down to the specifics, for a $250m budget, final chapter in one of the longest and most popular film series in history, then maybe...maybe not, add in to that this is a further 20%+ decrease from TLJ which itself was a 10%+ decrease from TFA, then probably not especially when you cannot claim it is due to burnout like Solo tried to do, or that the last films exception BO was de to an anomalous bump due to nostalgia.
$175m would be a success for most movies, but Star Wars movies are not most movies, so trying to judge them comparatively to what this would be for most movies is nonsense.
Also you keep saying this is higher than Disney's goals, which I don't think $160m opening domestic was their goal but their lowball expectations after tracking came in late in the game, I mean do you think Disney spent $400m+ on a movie in the goal to open as the #16 best all time domestic opening spot? and make $60m less than the last saga movie?
I get you want to be positive and all but there is being positive and being silly and antagonistic, this is both of those, $175m for the finale of the Skywalker Saga, yet another drop in interest overall in the SW movies is not a good thing, pretending it is just makes you look foolish, and yelling out LOL the boycott didn't work when if there was one it did because as stated the movie dropped 20% from the last episode instalment is asking for trouble imo.
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Post by merh on Dec 22, 2019 21:21:46 GMT
I Edited my OP, Thank You for correcting me on that. I appreciate it. 
That being said....
Heck, That is still over the Goal that DISNEY wanted for the Opening Weekend which I think was 160 Million.
Also, I will concede that I am no expert when it comes to the Box Office however I am pretty sure that any movie that makes 175 Million Dollars overall in it's Opening Weekend does qualify as a Successful Opening Weekend.
As with most things BO related it all comes down to the specifics, for a $250m budget, final chapter in one of the longest and most popular film series in history, then maybe...maybe not, add in to that this is a further 20%+ decrease from TLJ which itself was a 10%+ decrease from TFA, then probably not especially when you cannot claim it is due to burnout like Solo tried to do, or that the last films exception BO was de to an anomalous bump due to nostalgia.
$175m would be a success for most movies, but Star Wars movies are not most movies, so trying to judge them comparatively to what this would be for most movies is nonsense.
Also you keep saying this is higher than Disney's goals, which I don't think $160m opening domestic was their goal but their lowball expectations after tracking came in late in the game, I mean do you think Disney spent $400m+ on a movie in the goal to open as the #16 best all time domestic opening spot? and make $60m less than the last saga movie?
I get you want to be positive and all but there is being positive and being silly and antagonistic, this is both of those, $175m for the finale of the Skywalker Saga, yet another drop in interest overall in the SW movies is not a good thing, pretending it is just makes you look foolish, and yelling out LOL the boycott didn't work when if there was one it did because as stated the movie dropped 20% from the last episode instalment is asking for trouble imo.
The problem is Lucas split the stupid fandom. No way in hell everyone would be happy. My kid saw it Thursday & liked it. I saw it today & loved it. We are seeing it together on Christmas I don't get the complaint it was too packed, that it was a 4 hour movie. What the hell you guys can't keep up? My 61 yr old sister loved it. I'm 59 & I loved it. We were able to keep up. Damned fool youngsters...
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 22, 2019 21:40:54 GMT
There never was a boykott, not even with Solo, just apathy and fan frustrations. USD 175M will do fine (or won't they?). But those numbers are sigificantly below projections and below the numbers TFA and even TLJ (approx 17%) made, the second chapters (Empire and Clones) made historically less than their trilogy finales and first episodes. Also, TROS got a cinema score of only B+ (the worst so far; corroborated by ratings on sites like Imdb, MC - RT is another story) which might indicate that audience word of mouth is not that great - which may lead to a major drop second weekend. If it's true that this film requires USD 1B to break even (high budget, reshoots, marketing&promotion), this may become an rough uphill battle to break even and, like with the reviews, might become a mixed success for the final saga installment.  
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 22, 2019 21:46:43 GMT
As with most things BO related it all comes down to the specifics, for a $250m budget, final chapter in one of the longest and most popular film series in history, then maybe...maybe not, add in to that this is a further 20%+ decrease from TLJ which itself was a 10%+ decrease from TFA, then probably not especially when you cannot claim it is due to burnout like Solo tried to do, or that the last films exception BO was de to an anomalous bump due to nostalgia.
$175m would be a success for most movies, but Star Wars movies are not most movies, so trying to judge them comparatively to what this would be for most movies is nonsense.
Also you keep saying this is higher than Disney's goals, which I don't think $160m opening domestic was their goal but their lowball expectations after tracking came in late in the game, I mean do you think Disney spent $400m+ on a movie in the goal to open as the #16 best all time domestic opening spot? and make $60m less than the last saga movie?
I get you want to be positive and all but there is being positive and being silly and antagonistic, this is both of those, $175m for the finale of the Skywalker Saga, yet another drop in interest overall in the SW movies is not a good thing, pretending it is just makes you look foolish, and yelling out LOL the boycott didn't work when if there was one it did because as stated the movie dropped 20% from the last episode instalment is asking for trouble imo.
The problem is Lucas split the stupid fandom.No way in hell everyone would be happy. My kid saw it Thursday & liked it. I saw it today & loved it. We are seeing it together on Christmas I don't get the complaint it was too packed, that it was a 4 hour movie. What the hell you guys can't keep up? My 61 yr old sister loved it. I'm 59 & I loved it. We were able to keep up. Damned fool youngsters... The problem is that there never was a cohesive vision for this trilogy. The plots and the story arcs are badly fractured thanks to the Abrams/Johnson/Abrams thing. Now, instead of the fanbase being split 2 ways like after the prequels; it’s split 3, 4 or 5 ways.
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Post by dazz on Dec 22, 2019 22:02:46 GMT
As with most things BO related it all comes down to the specifics, for a $250m budget, final chapter in one of the longest and most popular film series in history, then maybe...maybe not, add in to that this is a further 20%+ decrease from TLJ which itself was a 10%+ decrease from TFA, then probably not especially when you cannot claim it is due to burnout like Solo tried to do, or that the last films exception BO was de to an anomalous bump due to nostalgia.
$175m would be a success for most movies, but Star Wars movies are not most movies, so trying to judge them comparatively to what this would be for most movies is nonsense.
Also you keep saying this is higher than Disney's goals, which I don't think $160m opening domestic was their goal but their lowball expectations after tracking came in late in the game, I mean do you think Disney spent $400m+ on a movie in the goal to open as the #16 best all time domestic opening spot? and make $60m less than the last saga movie?
I get you want to be positive and all but there is being positive and being silly and antagonistic, this is both of those, $175m for the finale of the Skywalker Saga, yet another drop in interest overall in the SW movies is not a good thing, pretending it is just makes you look foolish, and yelling out LOL the boycott didn't work when if there was one it did because as stated the movie dropped 20% from the last episode instalment is asking for trouble imo.
The problem is Lucas split the stupid fandom. No way in hell everyone would be happy. My kid saw it Thursday & liked it. I saw it today & loved it. We are seeing it together on Christmas I don't get the complaint it was too packed, that it was a 4 hour movie. What the hell you guys can't keep up? My 61 yr old sister loved it. I'm 59 & I loved it. We were able to keep up. Damned fool youngsters... What you said has nothing to do with what I said, so I don't get the point.
Also I don't think anyone is having trouble following what is happening so much as people take the piss because the story seems to be part erasing TLJ, part resetting to TFA and then part capping off a trilogy that never really was , that and the typical issue people have with JJ and his set something up to not pay off and using the "this was happening all along" trope to sidestep the story issues.
Also it's not that people don't follow along but that half the critics seemed to dislike the movie and it's choices, and most of the fans seem to actually like it, so I dunno you sound like you are talking nonsense with this people cannot follow along stuff, following along also doesn't mean you have to like it, sometimes following along prevents such a thing because you've paid attention to the story elements which make a certain twist or beat completely impossible, don't know if this is the case with this movie because I have yet to see it, hence my discussing the movie has not been plot related or acting related but the box office because that I do not need to see the movie to assess.
Damn senile old fools... 
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Post by merh on Dec 22, 2019 22:06:22 GMT
The problem is Lucas split the stupid fandom.No way in hell everyone would be happy. My kid saw it Thursday & liked it. I saw it today & loved it. We are seeing it together on Christmas I don't get the complaint it was too packed, that it was a 4 hour movie. What the hell you guys can't keep up? My 61 yr old sister loved it. I'm 59 & I loved it. We were able to keep up. Damned fool youngsters... The problem is that there never was a cohesive vision for this trilogy. The plots and the story arcs are badly fractured thanks to the Abrams/Johnson/Abrams thing. Now, instead of the fanbase being split 2 ways like after the prequels; it’s split 3, 4 or 5 ways. No. The original opened right after my 17th birthday. It wasn't a film on my radar so I saw it over the summer, like July or maybe June. Lucas INSISTED he had the outline to ALL NINE FILMS in a spiral binder. After the first 3 his wife, the person who edited them, the person who read the scripts & told George they needed more work, divorced him. Lacking that critical voice, we got the prequels. Disappointing. We heard Anakin was this BIG HERO of the Clone Wars, but the whole thing seemed like a big nothing. All that fuss for that? The Virgin Birth? Really? Anakin's fall? Darth Vader was a damned emo mommy's boy? George Lucas did that. He lost his vision
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Post by 🎄Jan El Señor🎄 on Dec 22, 2019 22:08:14 GMT
The problem is that there never was a cohesive vision for this trilogy. The plots and the story arcs are badly fractured thanks to the Abrams/Johnson/Abrams thing. Now, instead of the fanbase being split 2 ways like after the prequels; it’s split 3, 4 or 5 ways. This 100%.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 22, 2019 22:12:49 GMT
The problem is that there never was a cohesive vision for this trilogy. The plots and the story arcs are badly fractured thanks to the Abrams/Johnson/Abrams thing. Now, instead of the fanbase being split 2 ways like after the prequels; it’s split 3, 4 or 5 ways. No. The original opened right after my 17th birthday. It wasn't a film on my radar so I saw it over the summer, like July or maybe June. Lucas INSISTED he had the outline to ALL NINE FILMS in a spiral binder. After the first 3 his wife, the person who edited them, the person who read the scripts & told George they needed more work, divorced him. Lacking that critical voice, we got the prequels. Disappointing. We heard Anakin was this BIG HERO of the Clone Wars, but the whole thing seemed like a big nothing. All that fuss for that? The Virgin Birth? Really? Anakin's fall? Darth Vader was a damned emo mommy's boy? George Lucas did that. He lost his vision We will have to agree to disagree. Because there’s no way you’re going to tell me that this trilogy didn’t fracture the fanbase further. The evidence is all over the place. All over social media.
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Post by merh on Dec 22, 2019 22:20:45 GMT
The problem is Lucas split the stupid fandom. No way in hell everyone would be happy. My kid saw it Thursday & liked it. I saw it today & loved it. We are seeing it together on Christmas I don't get the complaint it was too packed, that it was a 4 hour movie. What the hell you guys can't keep up? My 61 yr old sister loved it. I'm 59 & I loved it. We were able to keep up. Damned fool youngsters... What you said has nothing to do with what I said, so I don't get the point.
Also I don't think anyone is having trouble following what is happening so much as people take the piss because the story seems to be part erasing TLJ, part resetting to TFA and then part capping off a trilogy that never really was , that and the typical issue people have with JJ and his set something up to not pay off and using the "this was happening all along" trope to sidestep the story issues.
Also it's not that people don't follow along but that half the critics seemed to dislike the movie and it's choices, and most of the fans seem to actually like it, so I dunno you sound like you are talking nonsense with this people cannot follow along stuff, following along also doesn't mean you have to like it, sometimes following along prevents such a thing because you've paid attention to the story elements which make a certain twist or beat completely impossible, don't know if this is the case with this movie because I have yet to see it, hence my discussing the movie has not been plot related or acting related but the box office because that I do not need to see the movie to assess.
Damn senile old fools... 
Most of the negative reviews I saw on RT was it didn't do anyting new. It's not supposed to. This is mythology. Tale old as time. The Hero's Journey. Because the audience has splintered, different factions are looking for different things. How was TLJ undone? Explain your bitches. I will say TLJ was sonething of a mistake. Johnson likes to undo stuff. Several ads for Knives Out claim it remakes the mystery story. No. Mystery stories are old as dirt. It's not possible to remake them. This is the Skywalker Saga. The story of the Skywalkers. If Johnson wanted to make his movie removing them from the saga, he needed to do it on his own time (that one he allegedly has had greenlit. No. Yes. No. Yes, past I heard). We have had non Skywalker characters. Yoda. Obi-Wan. Qui-Gonn. Han. Chewie. Lando. Isn't it strange both TLJ & Knives Out use that same anti-rich political statement? It doesnt belong in SW. The politics of that universe aren't the politics of ours.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Dec 22, 2019 22:25:23 GMT
Don't celebrate yet, its has quite a ways away to reaching the kind of profit Disney would like to see.
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Post by merh on Dec 22, 2019 22:29:00 GMT
No. The original opened right after my 17th birthday. It wasn't a film on my radar so I saw it over the summer, like July or maybe June. Lucas INSISTED he had the outline to ALL NINE FILMS in a spiral binder. After the first 3 his wife, the person who edited them, the person who read the scripts & told George they needed more work, divorced him. Lacking that critical voice, we got the prequels. Disappointing. We heard Anakin was this BIG HERO of the Clone Wars, but the whole thing seemed like a big nothing. All that fuss for that? The Virgin Birth? Really? Anakin's fall? Darth Vader was a damned emo mommy's boy? George Lucas did that. He lost his vision We will have to agree to disagree. Because there’s no way you’re going to tell me that this trilogy didn’t fracture the fanbase further. The evidence is all over the place. All over social media. Well, we didn't have social media. We had magazines people wrote letters to the editor about the movies. We formed fan clubs & discussed the movies face to face. There was a solid Luke vs Han would get Leia. As a gal in our fangroup argued "Why settle for a boy when she could have a man?" She (our Leia) & our Han got married. Did wedding announcements straight & in character back before summer 1978. Social media is a mess. The first time I heard about Twitter was Stephen Colbert during one of the elections shows-2012?-banging away on his phone. Stewart asked what he was doing-oh, something only young with it people knew about-Twitter. He or Stewart commented Twitter is for Twits. Can't say it was wrong. Good for memes, but honestly, everyone seems to freak out about something on social media every fricken day.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 22, 2019 22:36:32 GMT
We will have to agree to disagree. Because there’s no way you’re going to tell me that this trilogy didn’t fracture the fanbase further. The evidence is all over the place. All over social media. Well, we didn't have social media. We had magazines people wrote letters to the editor about the movies. We formed fan clubs & discussed the movies face to face. There was a solid Luke vs Han would get Leia. As a gal in our fangroup argued "Why settle for a boy when she could have a man?" She (our Leia) & our Han got married. Did wedding announcements straight & in character back before summer 1978. Social media is a mess. The first time I heard about Twitter was Stephen Colbert during one of the elections shows-2012?-banging away on his phone. Stewart asked what he was doing-oh, something only young with it people knew about-Twitter. He or Stewart commented Twitter is for Twits. Can't say it was wrong. Good for memes, but honestly, everyone seems to freak out about something on social media every fricken day. Yeah, social media is generally a mess often. But it’s not just that. There’s also splits between critics and critics. Splits between critics and fans. Splits on forums everywhere. Even (in my experience) splits when talking to people face to face. It is what it is though.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Dec 22, 2019 22:46:17 GMT
The problem is that there never was a cohesive vision for this trilogy. The plots and the story arcs are badly fractured thanks to the Abrams/Johnson/Abrams thing. Now, instead of the fanbase being split 2 ways like after the prequels; it’s split 3, 4 or 5 ways. No. The original opened right after my 17th birthday. It wasn't a film on my radar so I saw it over the summer, like July or maybe June. Lucas INSISTED he had the outline to ALL NINE FILMS in a spiral binder. After the first 3 his wife, the person who edited them, the person who read the scripts & told George they needed more work, divorced him. Lacking that critical voice, we got the prequels. Disappointing. We heard Anakin was this BIG HERO of the Clone Wars, but the whole thing seemed like a big nothing. All that fuss for that? The Virgin Birth? Really? Anakin's fall? Darth Vader was a damned emo mommy's boy? George Lucas did that. He lost his vision At least Lucas still had a vision. For all the faults of the prequel trilogy, and there are many, they at least introduced very fresh concepts to the lore and were prime for expansion in other media. The Clone Wars mini-series from Genndy Tartakovsky and the CG series in particular were fantastic and added a lot more weight to the stories of the film trilogy, and fleshing out Anikan Skywalker's character further to cement his legendary status as spoken of in the original trilogy. Star Wars under Disney is directionless, its clear as crystal that there was no cohesive vision and whatever attempts there were, were ultimately scrapped because of second guessing and giving the whole cake to creative people with different ideas instead of trying to share the cake. The Force Awakens clearly set up a lot of elements that might've played out brilliantly if the ship had stuck to its course, The Last Jedi changed course and threw a lot of what was set up out into the ocean, and The Rise of Skywalker is a Frankenstein-like mess that tries to course correct the mistakes made by the last captain but is too late to do so, and it is just a confusing, badly written, mess from beginning to end. The Thrawn trilogy still remains the best follow up to the original trilogy, suggesting episodes 7 to 9 were better and defined is laughable .
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Post by merh on Dec 22, 2019 23:00:04 GMT
No. The original opened right after my 17th birthday. It wasn't a film on my radar so I saw it over the summer, like July or maybe June. Lucas INSISTED he had the outline to ALL NINE FILMS in a spiral binder. After the first 3 his wife, the person who edited them, the person who read the scripts & told George they needed more work, divorced him. Lacking that critical voice, we got the prequels. Disappointing. We heard Anakin was this BIG HERO of the Clone Wars, but the whole thing seemed like a big nothing. All that fuss for that? The Virgin Birth? Really? Anakin's fall? Darth Vader was a damned emo mommy's boy? George Lucas did that. He lost his vision At least Lucas still had a vision. For all the faults of the prequel trilogy, and there are many, they at least introduced very fresh concepts to the lore and were prime for expansion in other media. The Clone Wars mini-series from Genndy Tartakovsky and the CG series in particular were fantastic and added a lot more weight to the stories of the film trilogy, and fleshing out Anikan Skywalker's character further to cement his legendary status as spoken of in the original trilogy. Star Wars under Disney is directionless, its clear as crystal that there was no cohesive vision and whatever attempts there were, were ultimately scrapped because of second guessing and giving the whole cake to creative people with different ideas instead of trying to share the cake. The Force Awakens clearly set up a lot of elements that might've played out brilliantly if the ship had stuck to its course, The Last Jedi changed course and threw a lot of what was set up out into the ocean, and The Rise of Skywalker is a Frankenstein-like mess that tries to course correct the mistakes made by the last captain but is too late to do so, and it is just a confusing, badly written, mess from beginning to end. The Thrawn trilogy still remains the best follow up to the original trilogy, suggesting episodes 7 to 9 were better and defined is laughable . I asked my sister who said no, she didn't have any problems following the story in this one. One can just basically ignore TLJ.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Dec 22, 2019 23:11:59 GMT
At least Lucas still had a vision. For all the faults of the prequel trilogy, and there are many, they at least introduced very fresh concepts to the lore and were prime for expansion in other media. The Clone Wars mini-series from Genndy Tartakovsky and the CG series in particular were fantastic and added a lot more weight to the stories of the film trilogy, and fleshing out Anikan Skywalker's character further to cement his legendary status as spoken of in the original trilogy. Star Wars under Disney is directionless, its clear as crystal that there was no cohesive vision and whatever attempts there were, were ultimately scrapped because of second guessing and giving the whole cake to creative people with different ideas instead of trying to share the cake. The Force Awakens clearly set up a lot of elements that might've played out brilliantly if the ship had stuck to its course, The Last Jedi changed course and threw a lot of what was set up out into the ocean, and The Rise of Skywalker is a Frankenstein-like mess that tries to course correct the mistakes made by the last captain but is too late to do so, and it is just a confusing, badly written, mess from beginning to end. The Thrawn trilogy still remains the best follow up to the original trilogy, suggesting episodes 7 to 9 were better and defined is laughable . I asked my sister who said no, she didn't have any problems following the story in this one. One can just basically ignore TLJ. Good for her, but I never said the story was hard to follow at all. No, you cannot just basically ignore The Last Jedi.
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Post by merh on Dec 22, 2019 23:21:13 GMT
I asked my sister who said no, she didn't have any problems following the story in this one. One can just basically ignore TLJ. Good for her, but I never said the story was hard to follow at all. No, you cannot just basically ignore The Last Jedi. Yeah, I can. You said Confusing means doesnt make sense, doesn't it?
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Dec 22, 2019 23:36:41 GMT
Good for her, but I never said the story was hard to follow at all. No, you cannot just basically ignore The Last Jedi. Yeah, I can. You said Confusing means doesnt make sense, doesn't it? It is confusing in the sense that is inconsistent with its writing and characters, the flow of the story is understandable though. Please, go back to school.
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