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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 26, 2019 15:55:36 GMT
you could just have said They will appreciate the gesture.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 26, 2019 16:57:17 GMT
There’s been a persistent meme for twenty years that needs dispelling this instant: these original trilogy only (mostly underlaid, misanthropic Gen-X) diehards aren’t “Star Wars fans,” at this point. Flat out. And their opinions shouldn’t be given an iota of reverence. I’m tired of hearing about how some smug fuck saw A New Hope six years before I was born and therefore has an inherently more valid opinion of the film than I do. It was fucking stupid back in the nineties and it’s beyond dumb now. It feels good to be honest. Innit? Look, if your cranky old uncle or whomever says he liked the Steelers but only back when Bradshaw played (“the real Steelers!”) and that literally every team they’ve fielded since 1970-whatever has been blanket dogshit by virtue of its very existence, whether they went 4-12 or won the fucking Super Bowl, that dude isn’t a Steelers fan. He’s something else. Maybe, generously, “a huge fan of the old 70s Steelers,” or a fan of a certain point in his own life, but not a fan of the Steelers. And, thus, why lionize this old bastard? There have been like six television shows and over a dozen more movies since Return of the Jedi. If you’ve hated literally every single second of all of that, from the Ewoks to the prequels to the animated series all the way through the latest movie: (a) you’re not a fan of Star Wars, AND THAT’S FINE, and (b) you should maybe consider, like, finding something new to watch and discuss and sparing us your tired shit. Good grief. The hipsterism, the smugness, the same fucking bullet points that were dispelled over a decade ago — it’s all genuinely embarrassing at this point. It has been since about 2006. Tell me I’m wrong. You can’t. You're wrong. There. You've been told.
p.s. You're not being "honest". You're just being a jerk. Strangely, you're being as MUCH of a jerk as those you're accusing. How's that for honesty?
The only truth is that we all have different opinions. ALL of us. And that's okay.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Dec 26, 2019 17:21:51 GMT
you could just have said They will appreciate the gesture. Saying that is equivalent to eating Tide Pods....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 20:10:23 GMT
Bosh flimshaw!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 26, 2019 21:00:38 GMT
There’s been a persistent meme for twenty years that needs dispelling this instant: these original trilogy only (mostly underlaid, misanthropic Gen-X) diehards aren’t “Star Wars fans,” at this point. Flat out. And their opinions shouldn’t be given an iota of reverence. I’m tired of hearing about how some smug fuck saw A New Hope six years before I was born and therefore has an inherently more valid opinion of the film than I do. It was fucking stupid back in the nineties and it’s beyond dumb now. It feels good to be honest. Innit? Look, if your cranky old uncle or whomever says he liked the Steelers but only back when Bradshaw played (“the real Steelers!”) and that literally every team they’ve fielded since 1970-whatever has been blanket dogshit by virtue of its very existence, whether they went 4-12 or won the fucking Super Bowl, that dude isn’t a Steelers fan. He’s something else. Maybe, generously, “a huge fan of the old 70s Steelers,” or a fan of a certain point in his own life, but not a fan of the Steelers. And, thus, why lionize this old bastard? There have been like six television shows and over a dozen more movies since Return of the Jedi. If you’ve hated literally every single second of all of that, from the Ewoks to the prequels to the animated series all the way through the latest movie: (a) you’re not a fan of Star Wars, AND THAT’S FINE, and (b) you should maybe consider, like, finding something new to watch and discuss and sparing us your tired shit. Good grief. The hipsterism, the smugness, the same fucking bullet points that were dispelled over a decade ago — it’s all genuinely embarrassing at this point. It has been since about 2006. Tell me I’m wrong. You can’t. You're wrong. There. You've been told.
p.s. You're not being "honest". You're just being a jerk. Strangely, you're being as MUCH of a jerk as those you're accusing. How's that for honesty?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 21:01:57 GMT
I believe Wellibers made a similar case. Wellibers?! That clog wearing, ox milker?! Bah! Bah, I say!
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Post by merh on Dec 27, 2019 3:45:47 GMT
Sorry. Everyone knows ANH was far from original He was making something to harken back to the films he remembered loving in his youth. The old serials & such. Lucas studied philosophy, mythology and religion and created his pulpy Star Wars universe out of it. JJ Abrams studied Lucas and rehashed him. Gee, is that why he kept going on about Buck Rogers & Flash Gordon after the film came out? Modesto isn't exactly a hotbed of culture. You're making him out to be a lot more than he is.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 27, 2019 4:45:00 GMT
Lucas studied philosophy, mythology and religion and created his pulpy Star Wars universe out of it. JJ Abrams studied Lucas and rehashed him. Gee, is that why he kept going on about Buck Rogers & Flash Gordon after the film came out? Modesto isn't exactly a hotbed of culture. You're making him out to be a lot more than he is. Yeah, but it’s not like Lucas copy and pasted a Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon episode. Then use the same ray guns and space ships. Then use the same planet sets and just change the names. Make a few tweaks on the villain’s costume, make him younger. Use the exact same good/evil factions with the exact same narrative circumstances; just change their names. I could go on.... But that’s exactly what Abrams did with TFA. You trying to put Lucas in the same category as Abrams as far as rehash versus originality (especially TFA) - it’s not apples to apples. It’s not even apples to oranges. More like apples to lightbulbs. Besides, do you think the rehash factor of Lucas SW is any less original than, say, GOT. Or the Aliens franchise. Or the Terminator franchise. Or... I can guarantee you they rehashed and borrowed unoriginal concepts from other books, TV shows and movies.
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 27, 2019 5:59:19 GMT
There’s been a persistent meme for twenty years that needs dispelling this instant: these original trilogy only (mostly underlaid, misanthropic Gen-X) diehards aren’t “Star Wars fans,” at this point. Flat out. And their opinions shouldn’t be given an iota of reverence. I’m tired of hearing about how some smug fuck saw A New Hope six years before I was born and therefore has an inherently more valid opinion of the film than I do. It was fucking stupid back in the nineties and it’s beyond dumb now. It feels good to be honest. Innit? Look, if your cranky old uncle or whomever says he liked the Steelers but only back when Bradshaw played (“the real Steelers!”) and that literally every team they’ve fielded since 1970-whatever has been blanket dogshit by virtue of its very existence, whether they went 4-12 or won the fucking Super Bowl, that dude isn’t a Steelers fan. He’s something else. Maybe, generously, “a huge fan of the old 70s Steelers,” or a fan of a certain point in his own life, but not a fan of the Steelers. And, thus, why lionize this old bastard? There have been like six television shows and over a dozen more movies since Return of the Jedi. If you’ve hated literally every single second of all of that, from the Ewoks to the prequels to the animated series all the way through the latest movie: (a) you’re not a fan of Star Wars, AND THAT’S FINE, and (b) you should maybe consider, like, finding something new to watch and discuss and sparing us your tired shit. Good grief. The hipsterism, the smugness, the same fucking bullet points that were dispelled over a decade ago — it’s all genuinely embarrassing at this point. It has been since about 2006. Tell me I’m wrong. You can’t. I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one, Colden. Yes: OT fans are Star Wars fans. OT/PT fans are Star Wars fans. OT/PT/EU fans are Star Wars fans. OT/PT/ST fans are Star Wars fans. OT/Standalones fans are Star Wars fans. Etc. They're ALL Star Wars fans. No one gets to keep others from being Star Wars fans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 6:31:44 GMT
What if none of us are actually Star Wars fans?
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 27, 2019 6:42:01 GMT
What if none of us are actually Star Wars fans? Woah, woah, woah...woah! I took the blue pill, not the red!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 6:53:42 GMT
What if none of us are actually Star Wars fans? Woah, woah, woah...woah! I took the blue pill, not the red!
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Post by merh on Dec 29, 2019 17:40:12 GMT
Gee, is that why he kept going on about Buck Rogers & Flash Gordon after the film came out? Modesto isn't exactly a hotbed of culture. You're making him out to be a lot more than he is. Yeah, but it’s not like Lucas copy and pasted a Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon episode. Then use the same ray guns and space ships. Then use the same planet sets and just change the names. Make a few tweaks on the villain’s costume, make him younger. Use the exact same good/evil factions with the exact same narrative circumstances; just change their names. I could go on.... But that’s exactly what Abrams did with TFA. You trying to put Lucas in the same category as Abrams as far as rehash versus originality (especially TFA) - it’s not apples to apples. It’s not even apples to oranges. More like apples to lightbulbs. Besides, do you think the rehash factor of Lucas SW is any less original than, say, GOT. Or the Aliens franchise. Or the Terminator franchise. Or... I can guarantee you they rehashed and borrowed unoriginal concepts from other books, TV shows and movies. You were the one trying to make it seem Lucas had a bigger goal than making a buck. www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-flashback-george-lucas-making-star-wars-20151206-story.htmlBit less the visionary god people have turned him into.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 29, 2019 19:14:00 GMT
Yeah, but it’s not like Lucas copy and pasted a Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon episode. Then use the same ray guns and space ships. Then use the same planet sets and just change the names. Make a few tweaks on the villain’s costume, make him younger. Use the exact same good/evil factions with the exact same narrative circumstances; just change their names. I could go on.... But that’s exactly what Abrams did with TFA. You trying to put Lucas in the same category as Abrams as far as rehash versus originality (especially TFA) - it’s not apples to apples. It’s not even apples to oranges. More like apples to lightbulbs. Besides, do you think the rehash factor of Lucas SW is any less original than, say, GOT. Or the Aliens franchise. Or the Terminator franchise. Or... I can guarantee you they rehashed and borrowed unoriginal concepts from other books, TV shows and movies. You were the one trying to make it seem Lucas had a bigger goal than making a buck. www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-flashback-george-lucas-making-star-wars-20151206-story.htmlBit less the visionary god people have turned him into. Already knew about the mechanics of that entire article for at least a decade if not longer. So, like Disney he made movies with the motive of selling lots of toys. But WHY did Lucas want to sell a lot of toys off of the first Star Wars movie? It was because he knew that the odds were against sci-fi films making a lot of money at the box office. He had been writing rough drafts of the story and tweaking it for almost a decade before he made ANH. And he had already experienced some studio interference on ANH, plus the studio almost pulled the the plug on financing the budget. Lucas was smart enough to see the profit that could be made in toy sales (ironically something Disney is faltering at with SW). So he built characters that could sell toys into the movie. And as he planned, he made enough profit off of it to finance the rest of the trilogy instead of needing a studio budget. How is that not innovative? But Lucas haters use this to try and tarnish his reputation. But when stars like Taylor Swift fight for creative freedom of their own intellectual property they’re praised for being trailblazers and innovators. Go figure.
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Post by merh on Dec 29, 2019 19:24:10 GMT
Already knew about the mechanics of that entire article for at least a decade if not longer. So, like Disney he made movies with the motive of selling lots of toys. But WHY did Lucas want to sell a lot of toys off of the first Star Wars movie? It was because he knew that the odds were against sci-fi films making a lot of money at the box office. He had been writing rough drafts of the story and tweaking it for almost a decade before he made ANH. And he had already experienced some studio interference on ANH, plus the studio almost pulled the the plug on financing the budget. Lucas was smart enough to see the profit that could be made in toy sales (ironically something Disney is faltering at with SW). So built characters that could sell toys into the movie. And as he planned, he made enough profit off of it to finance the rest of the trilogy instead of needing a studio budget. How is that not innovative? But Lucas haters use this to try and tarnish his reputation. But when stars like Taylor Swift fight for creative freedom of their own intellectual property they’re praised for being trailblazers and innovators. Go figure. He took next to nothing to direct it to sell it to the studio. Merchandising was the only place he would make any money. If the movie didn't sell tickets, the toys wouldn't sell, would they? Still doesn't make him some religion major studying philosophy or some such.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 29, 2019 19:44:33 GMT
Already knew about the mechanics of that entire article for at least a decade if not longer. So, like Disney he made movies with the motive of selling lots of toys. But WHY did Lucas want to sell a lot of toys off of the first Star Wars movie? It was because he knew that the odds were against sci-fi films making a lot of money at the box office. He had been writing rough drafts of the story and tweaking it for almost a decade before he made ANH. And he had already experienced some studio interference on ANH, plus the studio almost pulled the the plug on financing the budget. Lucas was smart enough to see the profit that could be made in toy sales (ironically something Disney is faltering at with SW). So built characters that could sell toys into the movie. And as he planned, he made enough profit off of it to finance the rest of the trilogy instead of needing a studio budget. How is that not innovative? But Lucas haters use this to try and tarnish his reputation. But when stars like Taylor Swift fight for creative freedom of their own intellectual property they’re praised for being trailblazers and innovators. Go figure. 1. He took next to nothing to direct it to sell it to the studio. Merchandising was the only place he would make any money. 2. If the movie didn't sell tickets, the toys wouldn't sell, would they? 3. Still doesn't make him some religion major studying philosophy or some such. 1. Of course he did! As I already said, that was part of the plan for him to get his creative freedom and financial independence from the studio. You say this like it points out some flaw. It doesn’t. 2. If the tickets didn’t sell then the movie flops anyway. And he still doesn’t get to make a sequel. Are you following the financial logic here? And why his plan was sound? 3. I don’t recall Lucas claiming he had a degree. But it’s rather obvious that religious motifs are part of the lore of SW. And that’s not by accident. I must say... I find your irrational hate of George Lucas as entertaining as the smile on Palpatine’s face suggests...
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Post by merh on Dec 29, 2019 21:21:47 GMT
Sorry. Everyone knows ANH was far from original He was making something to harken back to the films he remembered loving in his youth. The old serials & such. Your point being? I'd like to see Abrams come up with something from scratch and develop it into a whole new world. Copying a classic is just so damn lazy and im honestly embarrassed that the TFA made so much money but what really made that money was nostalgia. It shouldve been called, Star Wars: The Nostalgia awakens. If the same movie was released a couple of years after ROTJ it wouldve bombed so hard It would have been a different film back then.
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Post by merh on Dec 29, 2019 21:24:36 GMT
1. He took next to nothing to direct it to sell it to the studio. Merchandising was the only place he would make any money. 2. If the movie didn't sell tickets, the toys wouldn't sell, would they? 3. Still doesn't make him some religion major studying philosophy or some such. 1. Of course he did! As I already said, that was part of the plan for him to get his creative freedom and financial independence from the studio. You say this like it points out some flaw. It doesn’t. 2. If the tickets didn’t sell then the movie flops anyway. And he still doesn’t get to make a sequel. Are you following the financial logic here? And why his plan was sound? 3. I don’t recall Lucas claiming he had a degree. But it’s rather obvious that religious motifs are part of the lore of SW. And that’s not by accident. I must say... I find your irrational hate of George Lucas as entertaining as the smile on Palpatine’s face suggests... I find the esteem the fans of the prequels hold him in unfathomable. He made some good movies. Tristan tries to sell
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 31, 2019 8:11:40 GMT
1. Of course he did! As I already said, that was part of the plan for him to get his creative freedom and financial independence from the studio. You say this like it points out some flaw. It doesn’t. 2. If the tickets didn’t sell then the movie flops anyway. And he still doesn’t get to make a sequel. Are you following the financial logic here? And why his plan was sound? 3. I don’t recall Lucas claiming he had a degree. But it’s rather obvious that religious motifs are part of the lore of SW. And that’s not by accident. I must say... I find your irrational hate of George Lucas as entertaining as the smile on Palpatine’s face suggests... I find the esteem the fans of the prequels hold him in unfathomable. He made some good movies. Tristan tries to sell
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 31, 2019 10:15:03 GMT
Saying that is equivalent to eating Tide Pods....
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