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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 9:53:56 GMT
jedi came from a desert planet and poor. Couldnt we have had a high-roller or someone from the middle at one point? Im talking about Anakin, Luke and Rey
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 24, 2019 10:20:17 GMT
Star Wars is wish fulfilment - poor nobody in the middle of nowhere turns out to be the Child of Destiny. Doesn't have the same ring to it if it's a comfortable middle class child.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 10:29:22 GMT
Star Wars is wish fulfilment - poor nobody in the middle of nowhere turns out to be the Child of Destiny. Doesn't have the same ring to it if it's a comfortable middle class child.i disagree. you can still make compelling characters from all sorts of backgrounds. Look at game of thrones. all over the shop
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Post by hobowar on Dec 24, 2019 10:51:10 GMT
People like underdogs. This is why Rocky is so much better than Adonis.
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Post by hobowar on Dec 24, 2019 10:53:36 GMT
Star Wars is wish fulfilment - poor nobody in the middle of nowhere turns out to be the Child of Destiny. Doesn't have the same ring to it if it's a comfortable middle class child.i disagree. you can still make compelling characters from all sorts of backgrounds. Look at game of thrones. all over the shop But Ned Stark's "bastard" is the one we mostly gravitated towards. In my opinion at least. |
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 24, 2019 10:55:36 GMT
Star Wars is wish fulfilment - poor nobody in the middle of nowhere turns out to be the Child of Destiny. Doesn't have the same ring to it if it's a comfortable middle class child.i disagree. you can still make compelling characters from all sorts of backgrounds. Look at game of thrones. all over the shop Game of Thrones is a different beast IMO. It tries to apply gritty realism to a fantasy setting. I'm sure there's loads of children who see SW and wanted to be Luke or Rei (maybe not so much Anakin lol). Would anyone want to be Jon Snow or Tyrion or Sansa?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 1:05:45 GMT
i disagree. you can still make compelling characters from all sorts of backgrounds. Look at game of thrones. all over the shop Game of Thrones is a different beast IMO. It tries to apply gritty realism to a fantasy setting. I'm sure there's loads of children who see SW and wanted to be Luke or Rei (maybe not so much Anakin lol). Would anyone want to be Jon Snow or Tyrion or Sansa? There are plenty of movies, look at Minority Report. The guy was already a successful super future cop. Or Top Gun for that matter, he's meant to be an ace pilot right? James Bond etc. It doesnt make sense to me that people only want relatability, no they dont
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 2:32:05 GMT
It's like poetry.
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Post by The Lost One on Dec 27, 2019 9:11:04 GMT
Game of Thrones is a different beast IMO. It tries to apply gritty realism to a fantasy setting. I'm sure there's loads of children who see SW and wanted to be Luke or Rei (maybe not so much Anakin lol). Would anyone want to be Jon Snow or Tyrion or Sansa? There are plenty of movies, look at Minority Report. The guy was already a successful super future cop. Or Top Gun for that matter, he's meant to be an ace pilot right? James Bond etc. It doesnt make sense to me that people only want relatability, no they dont Well Minority Report isn't a wish fulfilment story. Top Gun and James Bond could be described that way though, I'll grant you. I didn't say people only want relatability, but that's what Star Wars goes for. Star Wars is like a fairy tale where the penniless boy ends up a prince after stealing from a giant or outwitting an ogre. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 27, 2019 10:23:53 GMT
Star Wars is wish fulfilment - poor nobody in the middle of nowhere turns out to be the Child of Destiny. Doesn't have the same ring to it if it's a comfortable middle class child. Only if you are female. If you are pale male you suck.
Palpatine sucks. Obi Wan sucks--bad teacher. Han Solo sucks--bad father, smuggler. Anakin sucks-bad student, bad son, bad father. Fuck, he isn't even a good bad guy-he fucks that up too. Luke--ditto. I guess Wedge doesn't suck, but he's always in a ship.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 27, 2019 11:16:27 GMT
No
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 27, 2019 17:58:18 GMT
jedi came from a desert planet and poor. Couldnt we have had a high-roller or someone from the middle at one point? Im talking about Anakin, Luke and Rey Yes. Small universe that galaxy far, far away, huh? They have an entire universe, and an endless source of imagination, and none of them could think to have Anakin come from another planet than Tattooine. And Rey from yet another desert planet. Both dumb decisions IMO.
How stupid would it be to have Anakin come from a place and then you hide that guys son in that same place?! Stupid! Oh and by the way he creates a robot that his son ends up with. yeah, that could happen.
And how stupid is it that if you ALREADY have a desert planet firmly established in your universe with significance to major characters (not to mention the fact that you're going to have to take an entire cast and crew back to there) that you choose to do ANOTHER desert planet, Jakku?!?
At that point, it actually it might have made more sense with Rey if it HAD been Tattooine! Then you could make the argument that there's something special about that planet.
Midi-chlorians in the sand? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 22:11:11 GMT
jedi came from a desert planet and poor. Couldnt we have had a high-roller or someone from the middle at one point? Im talking about Anakin, Luke and Rey Yes. Small universe that galaxy far, far away, huh? They have an entire universe, and an endless source of imagination, and none of them could think to have Anakin come from another planet than Tattooine. And Rey from yet another desert planet. Both dumb decisions IMO.
How stupid would it be to have Anakin come from a place and then you hide that guys son in that same place?! Stupid! Oh and by the way he creates a robot that his son ends up with. yeah, that could happen.
And how stupid is it that if you ALREADY have a desert planet firmly established in your universe with significance to major characters (not to mention the fact that you're going to have to take an entire cast and crew back to there) that you choose to do ANOTHER desert planet, Jakku?!?
At that point, it actually it might have made more sense with Rey if it HAD been Tattooine! Then you could make the argument that there's something special about that planet.
Midi-chlorians in the sand? LOL
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 28, 2019 11:07:10 GMT
the law of diminishing returns.
Anakin being raised on Tatooine was not per se necessary. But I get the narrative reasons for it: Same starting point as Luke, different choices and destiny. Also, Lars family lives there. Without Tatooine there would be no rhyme or reason for Anakins dislike of sand.
Rey being raised on not-Tatoine was totally unnecessary however from a narrative POV. It had no relevance. It was mere nostalgia and fan service. This created a formula pattern, shrinks the universe and makes it stagnant.
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Post by merh on Dec 28, 2019 15:58:35 GMT
jedi came from a desert planet and poor. Couldnt we have had a high-roller or someone from the middle at one point? Im talking about Anakin, Luke and Rey How about the only survivors from ANH to Rise of Skywalker are not human? Chewbacca C3PIO R2D2 the Falcon if you want to count it (since we know it's Lando's droid as the navigation system)
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 28, 2019 17:27:19 GMT
jedi came from a desert planet and poor. Couldnt we have had a high-roller or someone from the middle at one point? Im talking about Anakin, Luke and Rey How about the only survivors from ANH to Rise of Skywalker are not human? Chewbacca C3PIO R2D2 the Falcon if you want to count it (since we know it's Lando's droid as the navigation system) I don't mind the deaths. I mind HOW they died. Han's death had some heft because at least it was dramatic. Killed by your own son turned dark side has some meat to it. But Luke dying a curmudgeon and because he over-exerted himself? What? And then Leia dying for the more or less the same reason? Come on. At least they had a legitimate excuse with Leia as Fisher had passed away. I was half expecting them to kill Lando just because!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 17:34:00 GMT
How about the only survivors from ANH to Rise of Skywalker are not human? Chewbacca C3PIO R2D2 the Falcon if you want to count it (since we know it's Lando's droid as the navigation system) I don't mind the deaths. I mind HOW they died. Han's death had some heft because at least it was dramatic. Killed by your own son turned dark side has some meat to it. But Luke dying a curmudgeon and because he over-exerted himself? What? And then Leia dying for the more or less the same reason? Come on. At least they had a legitimate excuse with Leia as Fisher had passed away. I was half expecting them to kill Lando just because!
I thought Luke's death had heft as sacrificial for his friends that he had sadly turned his back on earlier. Had he survived, had there been no consequence to his feat, that would have lacked heft for me. We all have our preferences.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 28, 2019 17:47:47 GMT
I don't mind the deaths. I mind HOW they died. Han's death had some heft because at least it was dramatic. Killed by your own son turned dark side has some meat to it. But Luke dying a curmudgeon and because he over-exerted himself? What? And then Leia dying for the more or less the same reason? Come on. At least they had a legitimate excuse with Leia as Fisher had passed away. I was half expecting them to kill Lando just because!
I thought Luke's death had heft as sacrificial for his friends that he had sadly turned his back on earlier. Had he survived, had there been no consequence to his feat, that would have lacked heft for me. We all have our preferences. I get what you're saying. But IMO, Lukes death would have had more heft if he had ACTUALLY shown up in person, instead of sending a force projection. Then he could have had his Alec Guiness death/moment. I guess they didn't want Kylo killing both Han AND Luke, which I guess is a fair point. But still, I feel like he could have kicked just a little bit more ass in TLJ to redeem himself from being curmudgeonly old Luke the rest of the movie. And dying because you sent out an illusion is kinda cheap. Really? He died from exertion? They couldn't give that important a character a better send off than that? Holdo got a better send off and she was a barely there character!
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Post by merh on Dec 29, 2019 14:11:52 GMT
How about the only survivors from ANH to Rise of Skywalker are not human? Chewbacca C3PIO R2D2 the Falcon if you want to count it (since we know it's Lando's droid as the navigation system) I don't mind the deaths. I mind HOW they died. Han's death had some heft because at least it was dramatic. Killed by your own son turned dark side has some meat to it. But Luke dying a curmudgeon and because he over-exerted himself? What? And then Leia dying for the more or less the same reason? Come on. At least they had a legitimate excuse with Leia as Fisher had passed away. I was half expecting them to kill Lando just because!
But it was shades of Obi-wan. He wasn't killed by Vader. That robe was empty when Vader struck it. He basically became one with the Force & dissolved
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Post by merh on Dec 29, 2019 16:17:34 GMT
I don't mind the deaths. I mind HOW they died. Han's death had some heft because at least it was dramatic. Killed by your own son turned dark side has some meat to it. But Luke dying a curmudgeon and because he over-exerted himself? What? And then Leia dying for the more or less the same reason? Come on. At least they had a legitimate excuse with Leia as Fisher had passed away. I was half expecting them to kill Lando just because!
I thought Luke's death had heft as sacrificial for his friends that he had sadly turned his back on earlier. Had he survived, had there been no consequence to his feat, that would have lacked heft for me. We all have our preferences. Yeah. He was also admitting he was wrong all those years. His death was his apology for not doing something sooner.
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