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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 11:44:01 GMT
I do, underwhelming at best
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 26, 2019 12:04:08 GMT
After careful deliberations I removed the sequels from my head canon one week after the initial shock of watching the unoriginal and uncreative hack job of TFA.
Reasoning:
- By way of nostalgia-rehash TFA destroys and diminishes the character arcs, story and achievements of the OT and partially the PT (balance concept etc).
- The screenplay is utterly amateurish, first about hunting a silly map to Luke, second half is suddenly about DeathStarIII (no inner connection), all is finally resolved in the last minute by a deus ex machina event (R2 awakening convenient at the end).
- Fanfic level writing, including Mary Sue characters (in a 200M production!) and characters being incoherent with their background
- The direction and editing is rushed and nonsensical (I love how they rip off the iconic ApocNow-dawn-shot with ties but insert it into a bright blue-daylight scene)
I also gave Last Jedi and TROS a fair chance watching them several times - but for me they are non-canon as well - these were already doomed by the original sin that was TFA, but they still added insult to injury on their own.
Al this does not apply to Rogue One (despite the flaws and plot holes), the decision on Solo is still pending.
Appeals: The decision is final. No remedies available.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 26, 2019 13:34:20 GMT
The butthurt is real.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 26, 2019 13:44:50 GMT
I can imagine, old friend. Hope it's not too painful for you. Keep in mind, this is only a natural reaction considering the ass-quality of the product, but it will eventually blow over. Better to have loved and got butt-hurt, than never to have loved und still got butt-hurt...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 1:10:47 GMT
After careful deliberations I removed the sequels from my head canon one week after the initial shock of watching the unoriginal and uncreative hack job of TFA. Reasoning: - By way of nostalgia-rehash TFA destroys and diminishes the character arcs, story and achievements of the OT and partially the PT (balance concept etc). - The screenplay is utterly amateurish, first about hunting a silly map to Luke, second half is suddenly about DeathStarIII (no inner connection), all is finally resolved in the last minute by a deus ex machina event (R2 awakening convenient at the end). - Fanfic level writing, including Mary Sue characters (in a 200M production!) and characters being incoherent with their background - The direction and editing is rushed and nonsensical (I love how they rip off the iconic ApocNow-dawn-shot with ties but insert it into a bright blue-daylight scene) I also gave Last Jedi and TROS a fair chance watching them several times - but for me they are non-canon as well - these were already doomed by the original sin that was TFA, but they still added insult to injury on their own. Al this does not apply to Rogue One (despite the flaws and plot holes), the decision on Solo is still pending. Appeals: The decision is final. No remedies available. The Last Jedi was different which is why I liked it, didnt play it so Abrams-safe. Obviously I didnt like the politics or Rose but unfortunately it is part of that trilogy.
R1 was awesome, similarly with Solo but R1 was a step up. I think Solo suffered from the bad publicity of the last jedi and its own share. To me it has the most star wars-y vibe out of all the new SW films
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Post by johnspartan on Dec 27, 2019 2:24:00 GMT
Any legit SW fan who wants to keep their sanity has to dismiss the sequels as non canon.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 28, 2019 23:09:52 GMT
I haven't decided if I ignore them all, or if my canon ends on an ambiguous note with the Resistance rebuilding itself to fight a Kylo lead First Order to whatever end I choose.
All I know for certain is that Palpatine died when Vader killed him.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 29, 2019 0:59:50 GMT
Absolutely. It's also best to use the abbreviation DT rather than ST when discussing these as well, as doing so allows one to remove any acceptance of these films being a genuine "sequel" trilogy product at any level from one's head.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 29, 2019 5:01:11 GMT
Any legit SW fan who wants to keep their sanity has to dismiss the sequels as non canon. No true Scotsman fallacy. |
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 29, 2019 5:02:00 GMT
Sequel trilogy outgrossing all other SW films out there while the haters claim nobody likes them
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 29, 2019 8:14:24 GMT
Sequel trilogy outgrossing all other SW films out there while the haters claim nobody likes them Which doesn’t mean that they are more financially successful than “all other SW films out there” because there’s a little thing called adjusted gross income. |
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Post by miike80 on Dec 29, 2019 8:50:14 GMT
This at best is second grade fan-fiction
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Post by dazz on Dec 30, 2019 1:09:14 GMT
Sequel trilogy outgrossing all other SW films out there while the haters claim nobody likes them A New Hope adjusted for inflation made over $3b alone, both Empire & ROTJ each do higher than TLJ in terms of adjusted gross on a low end scale, then combined the OT's budget when adjusted is about the cost of one of the ST films, meaning that all in all the new trilogy cost 300% more to make and is likely to make about 25-30% less money...learn some fucking maths you moronic troglodyte.
or simply put Episode 4 = 70+x multiplier, Episode 5 = 30+x multiplier, Episode 6 = 14+x multiplier, nothing short of double digits and that's with the budgets growing 60-80% film to film, now lets check out the ST, Episode 7 = 8+x multiplier and Episode 8 = 6+x multiplier event with an supposed 20% lower budget, and as for Ep 9, well for it to even make TLJ's multiplier it would need to make around $1.8b.
Also the haters aren't saying nobody likes them, well maybe your equivalent amongst them ie the brain dead fuckwits, but most are saying that many people dislike the new trilogy like how many disliked the PT, or they are simply saying that the ST is crappy, shit, a rehash and an insult to the OT, which considering these are people who "hate" the ST what else do you expect them to say? they hate the movies obviously they wont have positive feelings towards them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 6:58:06 GMT
Absolutely. It's also best to use the abbreviation DT rather than ST when discussing these as well, as doing so allows one to remove any acceptance of these films being a genuine "sequel" trilogy product at any level from one's head. DT?
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Post by hobowar on Dec 30, 2019 7:04:09 GMT
They objectively are canon. Your consideration means nothing.
Whether you like them or not is another matter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 7:45:32 GMT
They objectively are canon. Your consideration means nothing. Whether you like them or not is another matter I know they are but to me they aren't canon. Aint the only one either
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Post by hobowar on Dec 30, 2019 7:56:40 GMT
They objectively are canon. Your consideration means nothing. Whether you like them or not is another matter I know they are but to me they aren't canon. Aint the only one either You mean you think they're shite and don't want to watch them again? I feel the same way about Endgame, but it's still canon regardless of what I think. |
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Post by dazz on Dec 30, 2019 8:00:59 GMT
Absolutely. It's also best to use the abbreviation DT rather than ST when discussing these as well, as doing so allows one to remove any acceptance of these films being a genuine "sequel" trilogy product at any level from one's head. DT? Disney Trilogy would be my guess, could also count for Doppelganger Trilogy, Dogshit Trilogy, Demented Tripe, Dumb Tales, Dirty Trash, Daisy's Tushy, Do-Over Trilogy, or Disney Tosh.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 30, 2019 8:37:46 GMT
Yes, DT = Disney Trilogy
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 30, 2019 8:43:07 GMT
They objectively are canon. Your consideration means nothing. Whether you like them or not is another matter You're being subjectively objective there. Pretty much any dictionary will have definition of canon as the works of an author, e.g. Collins:- "a list of the works of an author that are accepted as authentic". The DT is not the works of George Lucas so therefore you are choosing not to go with that definition. A lot of other people would and therefore their consideration that the DT is not authentic has as much merit as anything else. If however you are arguing that the DT is part of what Disney would consider "canon" then yes, I think we can all agree that Disney would consider their own Disney films to be "official" Disney canon. Whether there is any value in saying that though is another matter. |
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